Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?

Toy I know your no longer posting here = But why call a civil discussionbetween these two individuals attacks just because you do not agree with this poster? The problem is real amd persistant. The Lindens have in the past increased the number of people that can be in the sim at one time - they would have not done that without real evidence of sim resource issues. The Linden Community Team told me that they have directed new players seeking the mainland away from the Hub - again, this was done after evidence was presented that most of the sim's resources were being used at the Bear Infohub.

It is a shame that the very people the infohub was originally built for cannot use it for its intended purpose. But this is just another sign that these areas are of no real use. They waste resources. Abuse reports, bad first experiences for new players, server performance issues due to overcrowding and disgruntled paying customers is all that these places produce.

Somehow I do not like to quote entire postings but in this case its the best thing to do I guess.

We do not agree on this one, thats a thing we can agree on
One thing strikes me odd though. You find it weird that people choose a side because of what they believe is true, yet you seem to do the same. Only you believe the other side is true. You just find other things more likely then I do.

Bottomline is, neither you nor me will ever know the real truth. We only can read the postings, pay the sim a visit, and make our own mind up. Liasses own posts made me think my own thoughts, especially the answers that were given and the ones that were avoided. I am not going to accuse anyone, I just draw my conclusions. You have your own conclusions, and that is your good right. But do not say that the people thinking different, are jumping on the bandwagon, where you do the same. Just a wagon in the other direction

take care, Marcel

Yes Im aware your VERY concerned who is at the hub. You wish to rule as to who and who not can be there. This thing and selfcenteredness I will always fight against. You wish to have just new rezidents there so they will wander to your property, you just aree trying a new scheme. I will visit the Hub when I feel like it and will only adhere to LL rules, the only time you may have me obey your rules isd on your property. That is the only thing you may control, nothing more.

Marcel I do believe that I have responded to all questions - I do not respond to Norse - he called me names.
I believe I made it clear that:

-Since July 2007 there has been an issue about loitering in Infohubs. There have been on several occassions that the sim was innacessible or resources very low due to excessive loitering in the infohub.

-The Infohub loitering is not helpful for any parcel owner. The traffick numbers support this claim. Parcels surrounding infohubs thathad descent traffick for years now have very low traffick while the infohubs traffick is soaring.

-Organized group of loiterers with their own parcel 60M away from the infohub refuse to use their own parcel for gathering - but instead use the infohub to loiter, chat and recruit new chatters from the unsuspecting new players that rez there.

- I also pointed out that Torley Linden in 2006 asked me did I want a hub there for new players to rez and explore the sim and surrounding mainland. Never once was I asked to partially host a unsupervised open chat area.

-The build across from the infohub is there in protest to the sim resource issues that stem from the infohub abuses. The build, the guns, the campers and whatever else I can conjour up to display my disgust for this 10 month old situation will remain as long as the problem persists.

My property is at the other end of the sim on the border of Gealain. I do not rely on Infohub traffick to conduct business. The commercial plots around the infohub used to rely upon that. But the excessive loitering has killed all of the traffick on this surrounding plots while the traffic in the infohub has tripled in the last year. I do rely on having the ability to conduct my activities and have my customers teleport in when they need to. I do not feel I should have to ask someone loitering in a infohub to please step across in Cheif so I canget one person into the sim. LL may see the light and realize that there is not going to be any level of cooperation from the loiterers. This thread proves that.
In essence what you are saying is that when 43 people are loitering in the infohub neither you or any person there will move. The parcel owners would just have to wait until you all run out of witty chatter to enter the sim. And that is exactly the problem. That is unnacceptable. So my camping will save me some slots for when I need them. And you canwait in Cheif OR go somewhere else and engage in the same activity - which is doing nothing but sucking up sim resources for no apparent reason.

If she deliberately sets out camping pads to increase the server load till the sim can not accept more users regardless of the number of people using the info hub is she not making the sim unusable for other tier paying owners of land in said sim?

No. I am saving spots on the server for me and whomever else wants people to enter their parcel in Bear. We can remove a camper if we need to get someone in. We alread proved we cannot get a loiterer to leave under the same circumstances.

I will not be allowed to use up all 43 spots. But I can get quite a few spots saved. Now when the hub loiterers descend upon the sim - they will not be able to get all of their group in as before. Their recruitment efforts will be met with a "server full" message and the new ones may loose interest in loitering (since they cannot easily participate) and they may decide to go do something else - somewhere else. Itis not a final solution - but it will at least help discourage excessive gathering in the hub.

What constitutes no apparent reason? do you set the standards for no apparent reason? You have no idea what Im doing thre, I find it a peaceful place to sit at while I script or work on sculpties... wshen you can come up to me and say that the sim is full would I mind moving? I probasbly would but I wont be ordered to move. A pleasant responce would further your issue but constant attacks tend to get peoples heels dug in.

Wrong answer, by filling up the sim you prevent the business owners in the sim from having customers causing lost income.

That is why linden labs killed your dance pads before. For the benefit of paying customers you are burning in a desire to get the info hub removed.

I am not going to ask people loitering in a infohub to Pretty Please move. You loiterers have been suggesting I do that for ten months now and that is outrageous.
I will stand at the end of your driveway every day and expect you to ask me really nice to move. And your not allowed to run me down or react in any way. Just be nice and deal with it.
Your loitering in the sim reduces the sim resources. At times when the hub is full of chatters (as you were one yesterday- not a quiet scripter) the sim slows to a crawl. You are causing a real inconvienience to the residents of the sim and you should either puta skybox over your own parcel if you want quiet or find a place that you know you are not causing issues. I sit in the House of X couch area to write scripts and notecards. Your loitering is appreciated there. Why would you intentionally go where there are resident complaints about sim resource issues because of loitering? Why go looking for drama and negative attention?

Toy we never agreed years ago under my main account, bladyblue- and it seems we will not now.Soif you want to take up a chat spot from one of the regular loiterers please go right ahead. The infohub loitering spots will be limited from now on - so you all play nice and take turns.

I am not filling up the sim. There are still spots for avatars to enter the sim after my dance pads are full. Sadly those spots are in use at the infohub. I knwo how many dancepads I can have no matter if the sim is full or not. Once the sim is full and the loiterers start abuse reporting they will be just abuse reportng themselves. I am allowed to have the number of dancepads I have. If they wanttheir crew to eneter after the simis full they will need to vacate.

Because of course, Bear is the most popular sim in the entirety of second life. I fail to see how we are disrupting your flow of traffic, if you keep contradicting yourself. You purposely have filled your sim with dance pads, and a gun range, and I have yet to see why you are trying to get traffic there if all you are doing is using it to greif?

You keep contradicting yourselves, you act like you are the overlord over bear infohub and have the right to tell us what to do. Second life is a social tool, it is used to communicate with people and generally have a good time wherever someone wants to go until told otherwise. The lindens have explicitly given us permission to stay in the bear infohub, and until, AS I HAVE SAID HUNDREDS OF TIMES TO YOU, we hear otherwise from a LINDEN (who by the way is the one who makes decisions of what is considered to be "abuse" If any of your ARs counted or were justified wouldnt you think that something would have been done long ago? YES.

You are causing so much drama between the lindens and avitars it is insane. There have been over 5 visits from lindens to your parcel to remove greifing and spamming objects in the past couple of weeks, so I wonder who is the wrong one?

I have not got one IM from anyone stating it was illegal to talk in a infohub. And because you, and your wicked witch of the west castle, think that you have some land in the sim that we are suppost to obey what you say, especially when you blow everything out of proportion and quote statistics that noone gives a damn about?

I have yet to see you gain any support on your side of the argument, and if anything you just keep looking worse and worse with every ranting post, saying the same stuff endlessly and rewording it so that it sounds new but when it comes down to it it is all the same bull.

Just leave the Bear InfoHub group alone, keep sending as many damn ARs as you want, because like I said, IF we were truly greifing as you so call it, then something would have been done with it. Also, before you go quoting that Adfarm crap again, there is a major difference between that and now. You feel that your discription of what is considered "loitering" must be accepted by everyone, and dammit, if it isnt you will throw a fit in any way possible.

I honestly feel sorry for you in real life. It amazes me how you take this so seriously, I hope you have a good time constantly complaining and being in the center of drama.

I beg to differ because I remember a certian LINDEN clearing out and returning your dance pads.

Ya know, years ago I owned most of Jenner, someone put a club on a small plot, I was upset... after all I payed for 75% tier... did I cause a problem? Of course not, I just waited and soon the club closed. I then moved on to my own island where I knew I had control. I never had to pressure anyone, I wouldnt lower myself to that. As far as who your alt is, I dont care. I react to who is posting now. Im sorry, you were wrong as Blady and your wrong now. I do thank you for reminding me I wont post here. Now, go tilt at some windmills.

He returned three and then gave me the number I can have out permenantly - no matter how many loiterers fill the infohub. I have it in writing so I am all set on my end. You all get ready to take turns loitering.
This is a direct result of a 10 month old situation that will not go away. Give the infohubs back to teh new players and all of you loiterers find existing venues to loiter in or develop your own. Or log off and never come back . I do not care. The end result of this is that in one sim one resident will be re-claiming some resources that are be wasted in a infohub.

And I am waiting until the Bear Infohub closes. At least with a club owner you had someone to ask and she could have less events to accommodate you as her neighbor. This is a unsupervised parking lot were talking about.
Promise this time?

Did he tell you per parcel or per sim?

And what is to stop someone buying a parcel and putting up a char area with a a floating sign saying chat here and not at the info hub please.


Would you ar them for providing a chat location for people

To enjoy the scenery.

She is enjoying the fruits of her reputation. She has nothing to moan about. These people are in a public place. They have every right to be there.

You have slandered and attacked anyone who does not kiss your ass, but you get offended when someone sees through your BS and calls you the liar and scammer that you are.

You disrupt the natural flow of traffic in the infohub. In the past when the new players rezzed there (200 a day would be directed there with no loitering) They would use the two information stations and then wander into the sim and away down the road. Now you and your loiter crew tell them to stay and use the parcel for chatting and socializing. The sim can sustain this and the parcels surrounding the infohub suffer because of it.

You have purposely called people to add to your loitering numbers in the sim (as if you and you crew arent enough to negatively impact the sim). I am responding to your nonsense and I have every right to use the dancepads the Lindens say I can use. If you all meter your loitering then you should not notice any difference.

Lindens are not gods. They are guys in cubicles with mortgages and car payments. Try to keep things in perspective. I pay to use the server and I have every intention on using it. If any of my ARs were considered greif I would have, in ten months of sending them, been told to stop or be banned. Yet they keep telling me to send them.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Every time they come out they have to have a conversation with me. This is how I knwo what I can and cannot do in the sim I pay tier in. We are all set now. I have documented guidelines that the Lindens cannot back-peddle on now.

That is part of the problem. You all have organized this into a group - instead of it being a place that individuals ended up and explored. The sim cannot maintain your ever-growing group and the residents in the sim. You do not seem to realize this - and that is because all of the parcel owners have not made any attempt to use the resources in the last year. Well here is your notice that I will be using my fair share of the resources from now on. I can have my dancepads, events, gun range and notorious builds - and you cannot do anything about it.

Chef I spend money to use resources - not watch you stand in a infohub. If you paid for internet access and your neighbor had what you were paying for you would contact your service provider also.
You made it drama when you responded to this thread. Ignore me and you won't be in any drama with me.

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I think you forgot one.

No he said how many I could have in the entire sim. He cannot say for each parcel. I own too many parcels to make that fair.

Remember someone already bought them a parcel within eyesight of the infohub. I belive it is 2000 meters of roadside land. They will not congregate there. Why won't they go there you ask? Well, I really dont know the answer - but I think its because they need the attention of the noobs and greifers to have a good time. If they are isolated on their own parcel they would have to develop events and have music and WORK to develop a crowd. Instead of preying on new players who do not know about sim resources and avatar limits.
I ask that they leave the infohub and let the natural flow of new comer traffic return to the infohub and the sim.

No one is convincing anyone of anything in this thread. It is now simply a hyper-redundant exchange of opposing opinions, many spiteful.

/me eyes the AR button and decides against it, as usual.

Tries to shoot the thread.


KATT! SAVE US!

[/b] I do not live in Bear Sim. Bear has always been a commercial sim. I live above Warhead Island. And I have a skybox in Mapaquapit. This is not old stuff. these are new infractions in the same sim. I am niave enough to belive that if I kept gathering all of this data (as the Linden Community Team told me to do) that they would eventually fix the problem. Well they tell me to gether more info and they tell the loiterers thatthey can loiter all they want (so they say). They really should not do that - because here we are. I posted here for two reasons. To open a dialogue about this situation and see if anyone had any insight. I got the same responses as I did last year. The same people stepping up saying they have the same problem with their infohub and the same loiterers ranting and raving about my arrogance because I expectto use resources without asking them.

With the new CEO who has some customer service background we may see a change in the Lab. They might figure out wasting mainland resources (welcome areas and infohubs that have become greifer hang outs and over-crowded sim laggers) and staff resources on ARs stemming from these places is something they can fix with a flip of a switch. And they will not upset any paying customers by doing it. The free accounts will get over it and go loiter elsewhere. The premium accounts who loiter will just go back to their own parcels. Its a win-win. Until then the resource war rages on.