Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 18:35
From: Dakota Tebaldi It's not my job to say they don't; it's her job to prove that they do. It has always, always been the job of the claimant to support the claim, not the job of the skeptic to refute it. And no, reporting the results of observation is not the same as making a counter-claim. Yes, I know she SAYS the number goes down when people are watching. But you need to understand the difference between evidence and anecdote. Right now, the idea of a conspiracy to "hide the truth" about the alleged problem at Bear does not sound like anything more than a rationalization to explain the fact that, at the moment, there isn't a shred of evidence to support the existence of such a problem. The existence of this "conspiracy" is equally unsupported allegation at this point. That's not my fault, nor is it the fault of anybody else who has gone to Bear and seen nothing problematic there. Lia's claims right now are unsubstantiated. That may change in the future, but that's the way things stand right now. Did you notice that Kuro and Chef anre both in a group with the word 'bear' in it? The 30 most notorious chat campers in the infohub are in the same group. Either Bear Buddies or Bear co-op. How hard is it to send a Notice to your group and get them to come? Obviously not hard at all. Just ask one of them can you join th egroup and look at their archived Notices. I took pictures each time it filled up ans stayed that way for some time. Here is one with arrows and explanations http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/BEAR/?action=view¤t=41insimposter.jpg
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 18:38
From: MortVent Charron well one option for your classes that would demonstrate their effectiveness would be to hold them at a successful graduate's club with their permission. Possibly with a tour of several graduate's clubs. Kind prove they are not wasting their lindens by showing real world examples of how your teachings work My classes call for me to use 6 Live shoutcast streams on seperate parcels. No other school teaches DJing in this fashion - There are no facilities available for this type of class. I used the last parcel on Ryan's private island to set up the restaurant. So here I stay. Seems like we may be closed for the summer while the resource battle takes place in the sim.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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05-14-2008 18:43
That there's a group whose members frequent a specific place isn't out of the question at all; what's fantastic is the notion that they are currently controlling their numbers at this place solely to discredit YOU. Also, that the sim's capacity may be reached on occasion is also not outrageous in and of itself; again, what's spurious is the notion that it is like that continually, and is being done to spite you in particular.
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 18:44
From: Toy LaFollette hon, your acting like a child as usual  But you said in response 262 From: Toy LaFollette Im no longer posting in this pathetic thread. . This is thread 319. Be a woman of your word and refrain from anymore comments. Or will you quit when pigs fly?
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05-14-2008 18:45
From: Lias Leandros Oryx remember teh first post in this thread? Was it about the ten people posting here or was it about the sim being full and the Linden response to that? You were the first to reply - and you bought up the Bear Infohub issue by name - not me. That was because I had no idea, or forgot, that you live on Bear. I felt a little duped when Isablan told me that you've been in Bear all along and are just reiterating old stuff. I'm honestly wondering why you post it here, when you (of all people, you being an oldbie, I'd think that you know how the system works! I was just trying to help) know that it's not going to do any good, and indeed, comment that you don't care what the forumites say because they're not part of your demographic. So why bring it here? We can't help. I'm sure that everyone here would love for this whole situation to end up smelling rosy for all involved, but it won't, and it won't certainly smell any better after dredging it through the shit of the forums. So why bring it here?
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 18:47
From: Dakota Tebaldi That there's a group whose members frequent a specific place isn't out of the question at all; what's fantastic is the notion that they are currently controlling their numbers at this place solely to discredit YOU. I do not think they are trying to discredit me - I just think they are protecting their most favorite activity from being criticized. From: someone Also, that the sim's capacity may be reached on occasion is also not outrageous in and of itself; again, what's spurious is the notion that it is like that continually, and is being done to spite you in particular. The first post in this thread was about me having 30 people in the sim and the loiterers abuse reporting the fact that they could not get anymore than twelve of their group into the infohub. If they can occasionally have 30 people loitering at theinfohub then I can occassionally have 30 people loitering across from the infohub. I have abuse reported 30 people in the infohub for a year. No assistance from the Lindens. The loiterers report my parcel and the Lindens arrive immediately. A double standard at best. So now I have made the Lindens give me a number of camp pads I can have in the sim (so they can't harass me anymore) and I will keep those running. If any other parcel owner wants to add camping I would welcome it.
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05-14-2008 18:49
From: Lias Leandros Did you notice that Kuro and Chef anre both in a group with the word 'bear' in it? The 30 most notorious chat campers in the infohub are in the same group. Either Bear Buddies or Bear co-op. How hard is it to send a Notice to your group and get them to come? Obviously not hard at all. Just ask one of them can you join th egroup and look at their archived Notices. I took pictures each time it filled up ans stayed that way for some time. Here is one with arrows and explanations http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/bladyblue/BEAR/?action=view¤t=41insimposter.jpgAnd your proof that you didn't stage that photo with your friends or bots?
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Toy LaFollette
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05-14-2008 18:51
From: Lias Leandros But you said in response 262 . This is thread 319. Be a woman of your word and refrain from anymore comments. Or will you quit when pigs fly? oh but your so easy bait 
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2k Suisei
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05-14-2008 19:01
From: Toy LaFollette oh but your so easy bait  I think Lias is the huntress here. She's hoping to catch the attention of the Lindens and you're all the bait. 
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Toy LaFollette
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05-14-2008 19:03
From: 2k Suisei I think Lias is the huntress here. She's hoping the catch the attention of the Lindens and you're all the bait.  she has caught their attention Im sure 
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Phil Deakins
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05-14-2008 19:10
From: Dakota Tebaldi It's not my job to say they don't; it's her job to prove that they do. That's not the point. The point is that you cannot say that they don't, and therefore your accusation was imagination-based - just like many other accusations and judgments that have been posted in this thread, without any rational thought, or anything in the way of that almost forgotten thing, evidence. Apart from that, there is no reason that I'm aware of for anyone to believe that Lias hasn't been telling the truth. Judging her as lying is wholly irrational. Judging her as being stubborn in the face of the odds would be rational because of what she's written in the thread, but judging her as lying is not only irrational, but is also insulting. You would do well to stop and think before jumping on bandwagons and showing yourself up.
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2k Suisei
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05-14-2008 19:13
From: Toy LaFollette she has caught their attention Im sure  Will you please correct my typo in your quote before I lose credibility?. Thank you
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Toy LaFollette
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05-14-2008 19:22
From: 2k Suisei Will you please correct my typo in your quote before I lose credibility?. Thank you Not my job 
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Dakota Tebaldi
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05-14-2008 19:24
From: Phil Deakins That's not the point. The point is that you cannot say that they don't, and therefore your accusation was imagination-based - just like many other accusations and judgments that have been posted in this thread, without any rational thought, or anything in the way of that almost forgotten thing, evidence. No, it is PRECISELY the point. I've not posted any accusations; I've only reported observations: I was able to get in, multiple times, and did not see more than a dozen avs there at any one time. Now, you may think those observations may suggest she's "lying", or exaggerating, or perhaps just mistaken - but that doesn't mean I shouldn't post those observations simply because some people may not like them; nor does posting them mean I'm making "accusations". From: Phil Deakins Apart from that, there is no reason that I'm aware of for anyone to believe that Lias hasn't been telling the truth. Judging her as lying is wholly irrational. Judging her as being stubborn in the face of the odds would be rational because of what she's written in the thread, but judging her as lying is not only irrational, but is also insulting. You would do well to stop and think before jumping on bandwagons and showing yourself up. Look - she made a claim. My own personal observations did not support the veracity of that claim; therefore, the reasonable stance is to consider it not true until further evidence presents itself. That's the way empiricism works; not only that, but it's the most intellectually honest tack to take. In the face of conflicting evidence, I'm supposed to take her word...."just because"? On some kind of faith? The world doesn't work that way.
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2k Suisei
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05-14-2008 19:29
From: Toy LaFollette Not mah job  it's spelt "my".
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Kuroyanagi Habsburg
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05-14-2008 19:30
From: Lias Leandros Either Bear Buddies or Bear co-op. How hard is it to send a Notice to your group and get them to come? Obviously not hard at all. Just ask one of them can you join th egroup and look at their archived Notices. Who wants to join? Send me an IM. I'll gladly pass the requests along to the owner. You'll get a nice tag saying "bear baby" or "bear bloke". You're making stuff up again, my dear. The last notice on the Bear Co-op group was for the opening of the Ass Gallery. Prior to that the only notices we got were when Aimz or Norf or someone was running events at the co-op back in November. The only time we have chatter on it usually is for holidays or rez days. The last time that happened was for Wish's rez day. The Bear Buddies has had no notice or chat traffic since I joined it. As much as you want to believe, in your little fantasy world, that we're purposefully filling up the sim to spite you, we're not. Get over yourself.
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Toy LaFollette
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05-14-2008 19:31
From: 2k Suisei it's spelt "my". You should be able to change a quote much better, nice try though 
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2k Suisei
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05-14-2008 19:47
From: Toy LaFollette Last edited by Toy LaFollette : Today at 02:35 AM. 
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Toy LaFollette
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05-14-2008 19:49
What ever floats your boat 
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 20:31
From: Kuroyanagi Habsburg As much as you want to believe, in your little fantasy world, that we're purposefully filling up the sim to spite you, we're not. Get over yourself. kuro even you have blurted out that you were calling people to fill the hub. And you have told noobs that rez there to use it as a chat area. You were doing good with th etruth when you agfreed that 30+ avatars do indeed gather in the infohub.
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05-14-2008 20:33
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05-14-2008 20:35
From: Lias Leandros you agfreed that 30+ avatars do indeed gather in the infohub. From: Lias Leandros you agfreed that 30+ avatars From: Lias Leandros agfreed LEARN TO SPELL KTHKS BYE
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 20:35
From: Dakota Tebaldi Look - she made a claim. My own personal observations did not support the veracity of that claim; therefore, the reasonable stance is to consider it not true until further evidence presents itself. That's the way empiricism works; not only that, but it's the most intellectually honest tack to take. In the face of conflicting evidence, I'm supposed to take her word...."just because"? On some kind of faith? The world doesn't work that way. Kuro admitted they gather in large groups in th einfohub (after denying it for some time). I gave you a link to the actual screen shot of a massive loitering problem at that hub.
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05-14-2008 20:40
From: Lias Leandros Kuro admitted they gather in large groups in th einfohub (after denying it for some time). I gave you a link to the actual screen shot of a massive loitering problem at that hub. And I could sit there and pay a group 5l a peice to port out and take a screen shot of 1 person in it... unless LL institutes a historical tracking of use, or had far better traffic watching methods screen shots and the current traffic stats can be skewed with simple tactics
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Lias Leandros
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05-14-2008 20:53
From: MortVent Charron And I could sit there and pay a group 5l a peice to port out and take a screen shot of 1 person in it... unless LL institutes a historical tracking of use, or had far better traffic watching methods screen shots and the current traffic stats can be skewed with simple tactics Who would sit in an empty sim and fabricate a year's worth of make believe infohub loitering pictures? Truly your arguments against the facts are getting desperatre now.
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