Is this grounds for a class action suit

So this isn't about hair, after all?

Where is that list from? And can you prove it once has "casino owner" on it?

I mean, this list used to have "mole whacker" on it:

Cosmotologist
Internet Pedant
Sous Chef
Parsley Inspector
Meow Mixer
Video Clerk
Head Footman
Coat Wrangler
Mouse Wrangler
Insect Wrangler
Wrangler Wrangler
Third Assistant Secratary to the Fourth Assistant Vice President

Ja Kno?

Thank god.. I have at least 48 hairs. And I would have been in deep trouble.

thing is they banned casinos period no gambling of any kind if he made income this is not the issue the issue is the fact he bought 4 islands to build a casino on not make a profit or anything he can't even run the machines now

Only 48? You must have to be very creative. I admire that.

web archive does not lie its a search engine if you click the link you can look too

i put a million links its a well used archive for those who know about that kind of stuff and yes this is off Linden labs pages that they wrote the list was published to the net and picked up by their engine and archived for all time so the page is linden labs page there are pages on that site from 2001 from LL if you care to take a peak

or would be cutting and pasting the link be to much work for you?

try quoting my post appropriately instead of acting like an a$$hat

Which would be why they banned gambling. To be resonsible to US law like they're supposed to be.

As there are hundreds of ways to have fun with those islands you rented - including playing poker and other games of that sort (just without charging L$ or giving prizes of any value for winning) - what's the lawsuit for, exactly?

Anyone else smell sour grapes?

nope but a smell a troll that doesn't want to click links ..

Oh phew! almost lost the will to live for a bit.

Dearheart, that post had no links in it when I read it, which is why I asked, donchakno. My sincerest apologies for missing your edit.

You got your "feel" and now know what most people think. Sorry you hate getting what you asked for.



You can leave if you like. You stated it's not about the money, and you understand the law, "but it's the principle of the matter." Well, if you have nothing to gain and a lot to lose, then just sell the land, cash out, and go to another game/VR program. No one's asking you to stay. In fact, by continuing to complain, you are asking LL to break the law on your behalf and just inviting more flames. Better to quit while you're somewhat ahead.

Just a shop-o-holic!

The RL printed official SL guide book mentions that you can make a lot of money if you're a good Tringo host. This is on page 228, in chapter 10.

And for what it's worth, LL's offical sanctioned guide book (with foreward by Phil no less) also suggestions stripping and escort services are viable ways to make a virtual dollar as well.

Oh and - haha - currency trader / financial speculator. Although in this case, there are some very good, sensible warning on using a virtual bank.

-Atashi, wishing there was a way to grep the paper rl book.

I know they banned gambling and I'm not gainsaying that (I am aware of the legal situation and agree they they had no other choice). I was just quoting what LL had written in their Guide before the ban. Like I said: They mention (on page 13) that real-world laws might well interfere with SL.

Oh, and for the statistically inclined: The word "gambling" appears 4 times and "casino" 17 times - but "hair" appears a whopping 34 times in the Guide!

are you scrolling to the next post with the links on it and the list containing casino owner or did you close your eyes all of a sudden?

try post #124 i didn't think it ws necessary to post the link to the present page however if you scroll down a couple of posts you will see the archived pages which you yourself can click on and the last spidered page was may 18 2007

So are you saying Linden Lab confiscated his four islands because, despite warnings, he was still running casinos?

If that's really the case, then it's his own fault for not complying with the rules. They aren't "suggestions".

If Linden Lab didn't confiscate his islands ... then it's just whining as they can be sold on or developed in another way.

If he is saying he has no point in being in Second Life without gambling... then I feel no sense of loss.

Broccoli

oooooo sounds good!

yes that's what i'm saying they took his islands and he no longer has them *rolls eyes*

my god what are people sniffing today?

Crayons.

Thank you Chilly for finally getting to the true point of the argument. I know that is what you attempted to do with your first post. As you can see, I think, it only seemed to muddle the issue.

Typically poor service is just that. Poor service. The consumer can go elsewhere. Unfortunately there really aren't any other option currently. That will likely change eventually.

I believe someone who has purchased 4 sims could be considered an investor. As an investor, is there an expectation that one should receive a certain level of service? I think so. Whether the law determines how much service or not, I don't know but you may have a case.

In the future, I would just focus on LL's horrible customer service without mention gambling or any analogies. You may get others to come on board with that one.

I only have the PDF of the Linden guide. It has 188 pages and 20 chapters. Are you talking about a product licenced to a different company?

In the book that I have, Tringo is only mentioned as the most noted SL-created item and that it is now offered on various RL platforms.

Chilly - take a deep breath and chill. And then I suggest (although that may not be a popular statement) that you adjust your mindset.

LL do care about their business, yes - but mostly I think they care about THE FUTURE OF SL. If indeed the FBI had started investigations, they might have shut down SL during that - maybe just for a month or two, maybe completely.

Do you have any idea how hazardeous that would have been for ANY SL business?

And your analogy is not working in the way you intend it to work because selling hair or being a hairdresser is by no means illegal. Gambling and making money off it is.

With all due respect, a lawyer with any degree of litigation skill would stop the consultation and refuse to take the case the second you said that. People say that all the time - right up until they get the bill. Then the lawyer gets stuck with a case where he or she is not being paid. Unless there are legitimate quantifiable damages to award and a legitimate liability upon which to award them, no lawyer in his or her right mind would touch the case. Being disrespected is not actionable.

Further - class action lawsuits are extremely difficult, even when there is a legitimate basis for them, which there is not in this case. Add to that the fact that fraud is one of the most difficult causes of action to prevail with. There are far more elements than in most claims, and in some cases, the burden of proof is higher. You have no chance. In fact, the cause of action is frivolous enough that you could end up paying LL's legal fees.

You took a bad beat here. Business is all about risk allocation. Hell, life is all about risk allocation. You took a risk and got burned. There were some things you could have done to minimize the risk, but nothing you could have done to eliminate it. You went the high risk:high potential reward route, and got smashed. Them's the odds. What you needed to have was a plan B that could have been quickly implemented in the case of disaster. Even if you were actually selling hair, you should have been planning for the Great SL Hair Crisis of 2007 - or whatever disaster could wreck your business. You have a valuable asset: land. Since the resal market isn't what you want, you need to come up with a plan for how to profitably use that land and you need to do it quick. It's the exact same thing people do in RL. If my RL job were to disappear tomorrow for whatever reason, even if work in the same field were unavailable to me, I would be just fine (mightily pissed, but just fine, nevertheless) - I have a plan that I could implement quickly (rob a bank and flee to Mexico - just kidding). Responsible business owners in SL should have the same backup.

I lost the will to live after about the third page.

Thing is though, he cannot say "he didn't know he couldn't run a casino", and as such was in contravention of the rules by continuing to run one.

The ToS clearly states that action may be taken against your account for ToS violations, up to and including forfeiture of your assets (such as the Bragg case).

You break the rules, you suffer the consequences. Whether you're a basic account or a multiple island owner... you deserve the same treatment.

Broccoli

Nobody has taken any islands from anyone. They just don't want him to sell 'hair' on the islands. Read the original post before you get snotty.