Is this grounds for a class action suit

I'm just getting a feel from the community here and would like to know what you think.

Suppose some service providor advertised "selling hair" as a way to make an income in thier platform.

Suppose you went into that business and bought 4 islands from them along with a rental agreement on those islands to sell hair.

Suppose that service providor then turned around and made the very thing they had advertised "selling hair" against thier TOS IMMEDIATELY and gave you no time to figure out what to do with the 4 islands they sold you and which you owe rent on.

Suppose they did not offer to buy any of the islands back from you for which you had bought for the purpose of selling hair and also suppose that the announcement that selling hair was now a TOS violation ALSO made the re-sale value of used islands very low.

Suppose next the service providor dumped a LOT of new land on the market, further degrading the value of land.

Suppose you had tried talking with this service providor through a concierge service, through a ticketing system and through whom you believe to be a high ranking individual whom works in the area of the community for over a week and from all channel recieved nothing but lip service and unanswered questions.

Suppose that during this time they continue to charge you rent and drain your USD balance without even giving you an answer yes or no if they will compensate in any way.

Suppose you are waiting for thier answer before you can decide what you should do with these islands.

Given that
1.) They advertised selling hair as a way to make an income
2.) You purchased islands to do so
3.) They made selling hair illeagle
4.) They will not communicate with you at all about compensation and continue to steal tier money from you.

Is this fraud?

Is there any chance for a class action suit here against the providor?

Is anyone else interested in getting involved?

I would like to say that YES I am actually talking about the business of a "simulated casino" but how easy is it to change that with ANY other business in SL such as hair or sex or anything?

You can be next.

Anyone want to join in? Anyone know of any good lawyers?

I have simply been looking for a little respect from Linden Labs and for them to do the right thing FOR ONCE. This has gone beyond a monetary thing. I am almost to the point of committing tens of thousands, if not hundereds of thousands of dollars (real) to simply make them step forward and do what is right.

I expect lots of flames from lots of people, I will ignore those.

If anyone else wants to help or anyone else feels they have been the victim of fraud then please contact me.

I would like to say I wish it would not have come to this point. I personally tried to be fairly compensated through all the channels I know of. I even dropped a notecard on the founder of this platform but apparently he doesn't even ever go in world anymore as that inventory item has not been accepted yet.

I believe LL's motto is this >>> "BE EVIL"

If you would like to know the VERY TINY bit of compensation I have asked for was for them to buy back the islands OR give me a couple months to re-tool them into something else or find renters.

Right now I have the islands up for rent, but they are not renting yet, 1/2 a sim has rented. I actually do think I could re-tool them or rent them out given a couple months. I believe what I have asked for is actually fair but guess what THEY WILL NOT EVEN ANSWER YES OR NO to any compensation and just let time tick by and continue to suck $300 a month in the form of tier.

I believe they are hoping I will sell my islands away at a huge loss or simply go broke waiting for thier answer.

LL has lost sight of the community and what is fair.

You may be next.

Comments anyone?

I am not even going to bother reading it. The answer is No.

I read it, and well... no

If you want to take LL to court over lost revenue from shutting down casinos, then you are going to have to admit to operating and profiting from an illegal online gambling business. Sounds like shooting yourself in the foot to me.

I did read it and the answer is yes you can sue, but no you wont win (prolly get thrown out on summary judgment)

will assume "hair" = gambling

in wich case i`d say "who cares" as the horse i burried allready and ppl got tired of reading it, let alone a story wich makes lil to no sense untill u replace it with gambling

I think the answer is no. I think if you wish to debate the ban on "selling hair" you will have to take it up with the US authorities.

class action suit
Definition: A lawsuit brought by one party on behalf of a group of individuals all having the same grievance.

Which means you'd have to have a group of people who all voluntarily pumped money into a "hypothetical" metaverse to "sell hair" on 4 islands, that clearly states that things can and will change without notice. <sic>

So, basically, no.

"Selling Hair" is not illegal.

GAMBLING ON THE INTERNET IN THE US IS ILLEGAL. You knew that to start, you know that now, and yet you still bought a bunch of islands on which to pursue your illegal activity. You know what a judge will say?


BWAHHAHAHA!


Get a grip and get over yourself.

OOo yeah take it to court.. tell them you want to run illegal gambling casino in SL.. that way the Feds will be SURE to have you on thier radar... hehee!

Seconded!!


Er...

Did LL specifically advertise themselves as a platform to build a gambling business. Not just business, but specifically gambling, stating that the law in their physical juristiction (present and future) would not apply here? And, did you begin plans to retool when they made it against the TOS to advertise your buisness?

Class action, my opnion, no.

No

I suspect there's probably something in the fineprint somewhere which we all agreed to, that says that they can change the terms of service whenever they want, and there are no guarantees that the product they sell / rent to you are suitable for your intentions.

You might still find a lawyer who's willing to listen to you, but I'm not sure it'd even be worth the money they'd charge you.

Assuming you had set yourself up as a business of some kind and have kept the appropriate records, since you bought the islands specifically to use them as a platform to make money, then your best bet would probably be to sell them for whatever you can get, and claim the whole thing as a loss on your business income tax records. Write it off as a failed venture, let the tax man pay for it next april.

-Atashi

When did class action suits start needing grounds?

Yes they did specifically advertise that although they pulled that down from thier web site the day of the announcement.

This is NOT about gambling, it could for all practical puposes be about hair.

You all are missing the point.

I'm an attorney in RL. I wouldn't touch a lawsuit like this one with a 10 foot pole.

Whether you sue individually or as part of a class, you will have very, very little chance of winning.

i hope you make them bleed.

HA, the is hilarious! It's obvious that hair=gambling, unless of course it means kiddie porn. Ever hear of buyer beware? Should have done your due diligence before entering your "hair" venture. Good luck with your "class action lawsuit"... ha ha ha!

Smells like a Fark news story already.. hehee

First of all, the writing was on the wall then they told us that casino's could no longer advertise using the classifieds. Second, there was the legal questions that came up with the laws passed in the US. Linden Lab (no s) took I am sure the best legal route possible and banned all gambling. Think of how much they would lose if they were to be labeled a "gambling" site. Third, they are not "stealing" tier. You could dump the islands right now and never pay another penny to LL. If you chose to keep the islands, you have to pay for them. And finally, what do you even mean by "Suppose next the service providor dumped a LOT of new land on the market, further degrading the value of land." You could always buy an island for the fixed price, so how have they all of a sudden "dumped" a bunch of new islands on the grid?

As I said before, you no law suit. You knew that things could change at any time, and have in the past. If you didn't know that, then you didn't do your research before developing you business model, and that is your fault.

Why are you asking us? Do we look like class-action lawsuit lawyers? Go pay one for a consultation and see what they say.

Well, seeing as you took a gamble that you would actually make money on SL casinos, and invested in it..you should treat yourself as you would have your customers, take your losses and quit whining about it.

hehee and see if the lawyers will take payments in rigged casino machine lindens..

Does LL use advertisements saying you can sell hair? Well I never.