Is this grounds for a class action suit

I don't think we're missing the point. You are.

Let's say I ran an illegal liquor operation and invited you to invest with me. The feds caught wind of this and shut us down. You are not likely to get far trying to sue me. The judge would tell you that you had no business investing in an illegal operation.

There had been numerous articles out there saying this was coming. Had you done your research you may not have invested your money into these islands for gambling. Apparently you didn't do that. Bad business decision. Lesson learned. It's happened to the best of them. Time to move on.

Not really, nope.

Mari

eh in all honesty I think a lawyer needs to answer if there are grounds I know a few that practice or at least have a virtual law office in SL. I can send a link to this thread to them and maybe they can let you know what they think?

I truly have no idea the laws are mostly american and I'm not american lol there is also a virtual law society in second life

Its called second life bar society

here is a link to their site and an article on sl virtual law

http://www.thelawyer.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=127690&d=122&h=24&f=46


might be good to ask them first

I didn't read it and I say no as well. ... LL doesn't owe you anything. We're all lucky that SL has been invented and that we get to use it.

Anyone making any low-risk investment would know not to bank all their money on a company with LLs past history. Any high-risk investment would be throwing money into a company based on misinterpreted promises.... if someone plunks down the bucks for 4 islands based on the assumption that they must rely on the company, can blame the company when their terms change and things fail....... goooood luck.

I fussed about the same thing. I bought land and invested based on incorporating traffic/dwell/stipends. A few weeks later all that was removed. I moaned and complained... then I stuck around for months after and understood what LL and SL was all about....

Although I dislike 95% of LL's decisions.... we're lucky they created it, we're all in it together, and don't expect nothin from em. ... just go along with the ride and dodge the punches.

Nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! Please someone tell me that's not true!!!!!

My suggestion? Start being really productive. Learn how to create good hair, for instance. Then put the island to good use that doesn't rip customers off.

Dam Chas and his bad hair lobby!

I'm sorry about the loss, Chilly, but you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a class designated, much less winning.

You have 4 islands that you need to repurpose or sell. This isn't mainland, right, so you can otherwise try to sell the islands - especially if they have the grandfathered tier. There is demand for that, so I wouldn't go ballistic about land prices unless your property is all mainland.

Guess he's having a bad hair day...?

This is not about money. I would be willing to lose a LOT of money to lawyers. This is about being treated with respect.

Just wait until you need some answers from LL after you poured your heart and soul into SL for years on end only to be slapped down, spit on and not even given the time of day.

This is about doing the right thing and LL apparently is not capable of it. Believe me I have tried.

Hey maybe she's not talking about "hair"...maybe she's talking about "child avatar virtual pornography"...

I think it's fairly safe to say that, if there were *any* grounds for such a class action lawsuit, then there would already be one in progress.

You can resell islands, and the going rate is probably not that different from the price you bought them for. Any loss there is probably more than covered by what you made in profit whilst the islands were operating, so honestly I think "cut your losses and run" - a fairly standard gambling procedure - is your best bet, pun totally intended.

Broccoli

now i know i should have taken him to the hairdresser sooner but ... but...... this is a bit extreme! Chas, i'll get you for this!

Chilly, it is not LL who made internet gambling illegal, it is US law. LL is just finally abiding the law. If you were trying to use this as your RL income, you should have known beforehand that what you are trying to do is illegal.

Did you register this as an official business? Were you planning to pay tax on your income? Just curious...

Hey, my lobby has great hair. It's me that has the problem ... apparently.

nah most of the casinos in sl didn't do so well and were not spanning 4 islands and many void sims not to mention most people like to complain but acting is a different story

i think you need stop wasting time discussing this with the ll fanboys. go find a barracuda solicitor and take the fight to LL. so many people believe LL owes us nothing in return for the $ we dump into this platform that ll has completely taken it to heart and act accordingly. really the only way to make ll recognise any sort of accountability is to drag them into court or into the media.

= about money.

You may be mad, but you are mad about not getting the money you want the way you want it (i.e. not selling the islands and walking away or paying the months tier you lose while redeveloping them)

Uh huh... we're all gonna be primhairless bald men in female avs who refuse to use mics who run around screaming I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE COPYBOT!




okay..maybe not

eh realized that was an article here is the sl appropriate site

http://www.slba.info/

Buying 4 sims and creating places to gamble, was a gamble.

So no.

Chilly you`re a great guy and I feel so bad for your situation.

But it does not surprise me LL has done this, it reminds me of the day they decided to raise the tier fee and not notify people in advance. remember that?

My favorite landlord with over 30 sims ended up selling all of his. Luckily for him, island prices were going up, so he was able to clean his hands of the SIMs extremely quickly.

Im not knowledged enough on the legality of gammbling to comment. But very sour move made by LL. And i know all too well how it is to try and get a SIMPLE answer from them but be left with absolutely nothing.

All I can say, and i`ve said it many times before, I can not wait for a platform like SL to be released where the folks who run it actually give a damn about their customer base. Until then I guess we have to take every move we make in SL, every dollar we spend here, with the knowledge that yes, we too "Could be next".

Good luck to you chilly. Thumbs down to LL, not necessarily because they decided to ban gambling, but because they refuse to even assist you with solid answers during this time.

It usually is. I see that in RL every morning.

I don't know about this part, Broccoli. Personally I wouldn't pay more than $1000 for a 'second-hand' class 5 island, for three reasons:

1) Island Fees - when you get an island from LL they waive the first month's island fee, there's an instant $295 savings that you may or may not get with a second-hand island.
2) Timing - last I heard, LL was delivering new islands in about 1 week or less. Island transfers were taking 2 weeks to a month to effect, during which time someone's still gotta pay the island fees.
3) Risk - island transfers rely 100% on trust, as in purchaser sends money to seller, seller cashes cheque, seller contacts LL and tells them to transfer ownership. Or, seller cashes cheque and then goes on vacation somewhere nice, while listing island for sale again. LL doesn't get involved in resident-to-resident disputes.

Like I said in my earlier post - I think the OP's best bet (punny!) is to sell the islands for what they can, and write off the loss at tax time as a failed business venture.

-Atashi

You know your lawsuit is in trouble when you go to the SL forums for legal advice!

So I say go for it!