Is this grounds for a class action suit

You expected to get respect because in your own mind you have provided excellent entertainment for the masses without being too greedy, and spent lots of time and hard work to give your customers what they wanted without screwing them over? Have I got you right?

I don't know you, never met you, have never gambled in casino or elsewhere. But from what I have read in this loooong thread, you expected respect in return for what you believe is "good actions" on your part. You see yourself as a major content creator in SL, and one who has always been honest. In your mind, you deserve respect for your behavior.

You actually do deserve respect, from those that know you well.

But corporation are there to do business first. You are just a customer to them, one of many, and you are not a major one by a long shot.

Good samaritans do get shot by stray bullets, like anybody else.

You sound like you are faced with money problems if you don't get these island to generate revenues soon. And that prospect is causing you great stress, and you may be sitting at home stuck in despair mode in front of a cold monitor and your Xth beer in hand.

Maybe it's time you review what your destiny should be in life. Do you still want to try to be a good person in a cold virtual world, providing cheap entertainment and accomplishing nothing in the end? Or do you want to start giving real help to real people that will REALLY give you REAL respect for what you did...?

just my 2L

off-topic... but I felt compelled to say 'ditto'. Different errors... same consequence.

I read the OP, he Forgot;

"What if the people renting out the land were Impelled by Changes to the Law of the Land to Change their TOS?"

In this case, since the situation would now be Placed beyond the service providers Legal control, I'm afraid a suit against them for ceasing to allow a service which has now become illeagal Would Not Prevail.

I'm afraid you can't Sue somebody to Force them to do an Illegal thing. Nor can you Sue to be compensated for NOT being allowed to Break the Law.

Since the REAL culpret here is the Legeslative Branch of the Government of the United States of America, you would be starting a Class action suit against the wrong defendant.

Angel.

Didn't Linden Labs say that it was not a decision based on anything except business?
If I remember correctly.... it was stated as a 'Business Decision' with no precipitating event or investigation that led to the decision.

And honestly it was stupid then, but some Very Big Names(TM) complained very loudly, which I suspect was the reason.

Next on CNN: Chilly Charleton v The United States Government: Internet Gambling and Second Life...

now a stupid question,

lets say u take it to court and by a miracle u actually win and u are a legal casino in sl with the backing of USA laws

if i were a gambler, i`d take u to court for rigged games as i`ll bet the machines u have aren`t law compliable(sp) and as ur legit, u can be sued aswell now

pandora`s box opens

I feel sad that there are so many people in here that will jump at the chance to REDICULE someone for their own self satisfaction....and not just once but over and over and over, and I am still not sure most of you understood the intent of the beginning post

This is the reason I stopped playing SL...

When I started playing, LL had committed them selfs to creating a world of user created content, with no restrictions on what could be done. A market controlled by the people. All with as little LL influence as possible. Things have definitely changed.

You all state that "Gambling online in the US is illegal." and there is no doubts that it is... But it has been less than a year since that law came into effect. Personally, I do not gamble, but I hate seeing the government say what you can do with your money. This in and of itself is proof that we as a nation are loosing our freedoms to the government and big name businesses that lobby behind these decisions.

This is a big hit to SL, they are loosing a big fan base by closing down this unique group. Yes, more often than not people loose money, but its in the end up to them weather they invest RL money into the habit. But, I can remember the times when I popped over to the casinos played a few $L and met a great group of people.

With all that being said, I ask the community to keep the game alive, fill the casinos with game that require skill instead of luck. According to HR 2610 (Skill Game Protection Act), games of skill are still playable online.

I have made my share of contributions to the community, both good and bad, but my time has elapsed and the style of game play from my time has all but been forgotten. But you, the new generation, can help the community and maybe one day I will return...

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To LL, you have a awesome community, but your business plan changed from game play and community development to maximize income. You have so little focus on making sure you community stays happy, what has happened? I remember the days I use to chat with Phillip randomly when I bumped into him, throwing out suggestions and praise. The days when the community would fight to keep its groups alive. They seem to be only a vague memory to you. I remember wanting to work at LL, watch over the community and make sure they were secure from the outside world. Me and my friends from SL, all of which departed our second life have sat back and asked each other "What has happened?". That is my question to you...

Had they waited for Intervention by the authorities the Costs to them Could have been astronomical. This decision (Based upon Reccomendations from their Legal Advisors no doubt) most definately IS a Sound Business decision. That does Not mean that it wasn't the Intent of the policy to Bring LL into compliance with the new laws.

Angel.

Ok then lets include all the brand name stealing as well.In this law suit Chilly bring up good points. But then again its how many backers he can get for his cause." illegal online gambling business. " as it is now was not awhile back give it a rest will you. Attacking Chilly solves nothing.

I love neopets, I love gambling sometimes with those pirates but the difference is I am not using my credit card with "real" money to buy the neopoints to gamble with or cashing out neopoints to get real dollars. Now if they could allow us to do things with fake money that don't require us to spend real live dollars I might be into it. But I seriously doubt they let us have fake money nor allow anyone to build virtual game with fake money and trading because it would interferr with their bottom line.
I don't think many people doing business here would create fake dollars without expect some type of real payment either. If I had programing skills I would create something that didn't require rl or sl dollars but that just me.

off-topic, but:
hey one of my mates had such a bad back he stood at a drafting table to use his computer all day. i rarely ever saw him sit.
then one day he tried out a funky looking chair that he sort of kneels into. his legs still take most of the weight, but its shifted so that his feet and knees dont take so much pressure. he's pleased as punch with this chair and swears by it.

i agree.

onyx i usually like your posts, you were really nice with the burka and you make perhaps the best ethnic clothing i have ever seen. but i dont like the onyx i see in this thread. that goes for quite a few others too. i expect this from squeeze and chris norse, but you others really disappoint me.

If Chilly wants to make a class action suit, all power to him. I'm just saying he doesn't stand much of a legal chance. Jokes about hair are just that... jokes.


And the name is Oryx.

Mickey, thank you for that. I only knew the urban myth version of this so far, and this certainly puts things into perspective.



Apologies on my side, too. Although I too have back problems, I think they are mild compared to yours.



If the FBI had started a serious investigation, they would probably have found reason to shut down SL completely, if only for the course of that investigation. So yeah, it WAS a business decision.



No. It is "Be in business".



I guess that would be because by doing that they would give legal advice and could be held accountable for that. I totally understand their policy here. Maybe they'll consult lawyers to make that decision for them. Maybe that is already in the works and takes time, as all law business does. Maybe, though, that will never happen.

I've seen some ppl say that they were cheated by LL for not giving them a world to do in as they please. Well, it's just me, but I can still do whatever I want creatively. And I would not want a world in which ppl want to break the law just because it was promised to them they could do anything. That is the argument of griefers. "I do it because I can."

From the BBC News website today: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6938193.stm

Gambling websites face advert ban

Extracts:

"About 1,000 gambling websites based overseas are to be banned from advertising in the UK. Littlewoodscasino.com, Betfred Casino and Interpoker.com are among those subject to the ban, which comes into force next month. Culture Secretary James Purnell said protecting the public from sites operating without the UK's "strict standards" was a "priority". "

"The Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) said the aim was to stop unregulated gambling sites trying to attract UK punters. "

"The new rules take effect on 1 September , when the Gambling Act comes fully into force. "

Now, will people believe that online gambling, when it's unregulated (just like that in SL) is banned?

Broccoli

What about that judge questing for his missing trousers?

Spill.

What about the "It was never about the money" lipservice you give? :V

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