Is this grounds for a class action suit

Youre talking about the RL book, yes?

Hmm.

Like "shampoo" to "launder" your illegally gotten "hair"

Most online game (platform) guides are out of date before they even hit the store.

True, but probably beside the point.

Does anyone know if the guide was endorsed by LL? I can't remember.

Yes the RL book .. they advertize it on the front page even.

Darn. I had it, but I lost it in a poker game

I mean

A hair trade....

No the point is clear, the rug can be pulled from under your feet at any moment. It's all a gamble.

To be fair, Robin Linden told me yesterday that she would have preferred to have given notice regarding the ban but that their hands were tied with the legal issues.

well if the month and year can remember a place to look for the webpage that said it would be here

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://secondlife.com

err also i remember one of the "jobs" that you can have in the knowledge base is in fact casino owner

Bottom line remains: LL's service sucks, and we all know this. This isn't news, and it's not grounds for a lawsuit. You do have recourse in selling your islands, and you might make some profit if it's grandfathered tier.

Yes of course and perhaps "hairbands" to wrap around all your "hair".

http://secondlife.com/corporate/slguide.php

Its definitely an "official" guide anyhow.

I do not know the contents however.

corporate speak for 'the insurance company said to' or 'the legal team suggested it'.

I've just checked my copy of the Guide. It mentions gambling as a possible means of activity, not as a possible source of income (gambling for money is never mentioned at all). It also states that real-world concerns (such as gambling laws, which are specifically mentioned) might interfere with SL's performance. Finally, the book tells you that if you want to gamble, you should search for casinos.

Looks to me like it says, gambling (like a number of other things) is offered and tolerated until there is contradicting legislation.

Ahh k , thanks Ray.

So it doesnt say

"Ways to make money - open a casino"

No, it doesn't.

And you're welcome.

However ... It DOES mention that you can create casino games to sell them. Since these are listed between furniture and, I kid you not, flexi-hair, I take it you are supposed to actually sell the games for private use - especially since the next paragraph (this is on page 15 tells you how to sell things you have created.

Casinos are mentioned several times, but always as amusement spots, never as a means for palrs to create income.

I think that counts as a sanction. If they do specificly suggest gambling... I dunno, maybe Chilly has something. But LL may be proteted by thier need to comply with US law.

Tell you what, Chilly. The lesson to be learned here is: An internet forum is no place to get legal advice. =^.^=


EDIT: Thanks Raynor =^.^=

Hmm so unless theres some other place its suggested - I dont see where the OP has a case.

Besides the fact that even if Linden Labs did advertize it as such, the fact that it was illegal would trump the whole thing.

Well since Phil didn't want to risk being some con's bitch for a couple of years, it was a reasonable action to take. Why pay the lawyers if you aren't gonna listen to them? As far as the insurance company, they dictate actions all the time. If you want their protection, you play by their rules.

OMG I just thought of all the poor newbies out there who never had a chance to try their luck at new hair! They're all going to have to run around with Ruth hair, since hair selling is now illegal. Unless of course, we start seeing all kinds of HairSharks hanging out around Help Island. "Pssst...you! Yeah, you! You like this hair? You wanna look good, doncha? I got a quick and easy way to get you all the hair you could ever want... it's foolproof, I tell ya! All ya gotta do is..."

This list used to contain casino owner

party and wedding planner
pet manufacturer
tattooist
nightclub owner
automotive manufacturer
fashion designer
aerospace engineer
custom avatar designer
jewelry maker
architect
XML coder
freelance scripter
game developer
fine artist
machinima set designer
tour guide
dancer
musician
custom animation creator
theme park developer
real estate speculator
vacation resort owner
advertiser
bodyguard
magazine
publisher
private detective
writer
gamer
landscaper
publicist
special effects designer
gunsmith
hug maker


doesn't know though

If I did something against the law then Linden Labs is 1000 times more liable then I am.

What you guys don't get is this is NOT about gambling. Gambling is DEAD. This is about Linden Labs whom cares ONLY for themselves and will walk all over any member of the community for thier own sakes.

That is WHY I put this post in the context of HAIR. Most of your flames are about casino's and betting. Take the casino out of it and take a close look at what Linden Labs has done and will do again and again and again.

Linen Labs' has a mott and it is "BE EVIL"

None of you know who I am or what I have done in this game. I have give so much to Second Life you will never even know.

This post would not have even started if Linden Labs would even COMMUNICATE ANYTHING. But they will not.

I have tried communicating with them and they will not even give a YES NO answer to a couple SIMPLE questions.

They will not answer yes or no if even Slingo is allowed with a no rake no minimum pay in. So they threaten account freezes but will not answer direct questions and at the same time allow others to operate.

"BE EVIL"

I really didn't want to start this thread. But I have. Go on and flame away until it's your turn some day when Linden Labs decides to "BE EVIL" to you then only then will you understand.

I am not even saying I expect them to compensate but for GOD SAKES say yes or no so a person can make some decisions.

"BE EVIL"

To be honest with you guys the price of the islands I can care less about at this point really. Do I think they should have offered to buy them back or give a couple months rent to re-tool them YES I DO.

Will they ... I have no clue. They sould. But the WORST is the treatment they are giving to a dedicated long time resident who gave his every spare moment to add to Second Life for many many years to be TREATED LIKE THIS.

I realize a law suit might even be the most dangerous thing to me personally because laws are so fuzzy. I also realize I would most likely spend a LOT of money and lose. But it's not the money any more.

"BE EVIL"

Right now with the way I have been treated AND BELIEVE ME IT COULD BE HAIR OR ANYTHING ELSE. I realized that something I loved and believed in so much is being run by evil people who care not about thier rezidents.

I DID NOT start a casino to make money you goof balls. I did it because I like playing video poker and I thought I could make a better video poker machine for this WONDERFUL world. And I thought I could step up and provide honest non-rigged entertainment in that area.

I DID IT FOR FUN

"BE EVIL"

Linden Labs will use you then throw you away and then kick you while you are down.

"BE EVIL"

They will not even answer simple yes/no questions.

So will I sue them with no chance of winning?

I AM SERIOUSELY THINKING ABOUT IT

"BE EVIL"

I really just wish they would stop being evil. I love Second Life, it's the people running it that need to learn how to be human.

"BE EVIL"

Taking their advice is fine. But, In my opinion, saying you couldn't give any prepatory announcement is bullshit. Plain and simple.

So you made casinos for fun... but now you can't make casinos anymore. So you are going to sue Linden Labs for... taking away your fun?

I can't wait to see this one on Judge Judy.

found the page that has casino operator on it as well as lotto operator

http://web.archive.org/web/20060215202722/http://secondlife.com/whatis/businesses.php

so at that time it was allowed and one would have to continue to sift through that to find when it stopped being allowed!



Business Opportunities

There are as many opportunities for innovation and profit in Second Life as in the Real World. Open a nightclub, sell jewelry, become a land speculator; the choice is yours to make. Thousands of residents are making part or all of their real life income from their Second Life Businesses.

By way of example, here are just a few in-world business occupations which Residents founded and currently run, and make part or all of their real life living from. Try searching for these categories via the in-world Find menu:

party and wedding planner
pet manufacturer
casino operator <-------------
tattooist
nightclub owner
automotive manufacturer
fashion designer
aerospace engineer
custom avatar designer
jewelry maker
architect
XML coder
freelance scripter
game developer
fine artist
machinima set designer
tour guide
dancer
musician
custom animation creator
lottery operator <-----------
theme park developer
real estate speculator
vacation resort owner
advertiser
bodyguard
magazine
publisher
private detective
writer
gamer
landscaper
publicist
special effects designer
gunsmith
hug maker


tis even on this page may 18 2007 and that is as recent as the engine goes

http://web.archive.org/web/20070518063751/http://secondlife.com/whatis/businesses.php

I edited my post above after checking for "casino" besides "gambling" in the Guide. However, since 57,000 people posted while I did this, here's the addition again:

However ... It DOES mention that you can create casino games to sell them. Since these are listed between furniture and, I kid you not, flexi-hair, I take it you are supposed to actually sell the games for private use - especially since the next paragraph (this is on page 15 tells you how to sell things you have created.

Casinos are mentioned several times, but always as amusement spots, never as a means for palrs to create income.