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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:07
From: Brenda Connolly
Reputable News Agencies. That may take a little hunting.


Well, okay. Relatively reputable. Anything that isn't Fox or any other agency owned by Rupert Murdoch.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:11
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The books, and the philosophies they contain, are muck, and there's only one fitting place for that stuff.


Comic books!?

When I grow up and have lots of money, I'm going to start a Robert Howard themed sim. Yeah!
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Brenda Connolly
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07-19-2007 09:13
From: Conan Godwin
Well, okay. Relatively reputable. Anything that isn't Fox or any other agency owned by Rupert Murdoch.

I don't know. Most of the others aren't much better in my opinion.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:15
From: Brenda Connolly
I don't know. Most of the others aren't much better in my opinion.


They're all biased, but atleast they don't claim to be "fair and balanced", nor use slogans like "We report, you decide". I'd have more respect for Fox if their slogans were "Right Wing and Conservative","The Republican Party's Mouthpiece" and "We report, We decide". There's nothing wrong with being right wing, it's the bogus claims of impartiallity that I despise.

Thank good for the good old BBC - about the closest thing the world has left to an impartial news service.

The trick is to play the averages - find a right wing news agency and a very liberal one and listen to them both. You can be pretty sure that the truth is roughly half way between them.
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Pixieplumb Flanagan
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07-19-2007 09:18
From: Conan Godwin


Thank good for the good old BBC - about the closest thing the world has left to an impartial news service.

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Errm, have you seen today's papers? Looks like auntie beeb is in for a proper drubbing!
Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:20
From: Brenda Connolly
Yeah and in some jobs they tell you what you have to wear! :eek: THE HORROR!


I work in a call center. My employers even tell me what to SAY!!
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Brenda Connolly
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07-19-2007 09:22
From: Conan Godwin
They're all biased, but atleast they don't claim to be "fair and balanced", nor use slogans like "We report, you decide". I'd have more respect for Fox if their slogans were "Right Wing and Conservative","The Republican Party's Mouthpiece" and "We report, We decide". There's nothing wrong with being right wing, it's the bogus claims of impartiallity that I despise.

Thank good for the good old BBC - about the closest thing the world has left to an impartial news service.

The trick is to play the averages - find a right wing news agency and a very liberal one and listen to them both. You can be pretty sure that the truth is roughly half way between them.

I just watch The Daily Show. It's all bullshit, but at least it's funny.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:23
From: Brenda Connolly
Wouldn't having a Slave be hypocritical for a Freewoman?


Not really. There are plenty of male slaves for starters.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:24
From: Pixieplumb Flanagan
Errm, have you seen today's papers? Looks like auntie beeb is in for a proper drubbing!


hence "the closest thing" ;)
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:26
From: Chav Paderborn
What you have to remember is that like all fascists, Goreans get off on controlling people. So you should be fine as long as you do exactly what the thousand notecards tell you to do. Wear a tag, a burqa, and grovel a lot and you'll be fine.


Controlling people is great fun - that's why The Sims is the best selling computer games franchise of all time. Only people who can't think it isn't.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:32
From: Conan Godwin
Please provide links to reputable news agencies' websites regarding these stories - or they didn't happen.


It turns out she did post a link to a reputable news agency

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4996410.stm

However, it completely contradicts her as it clearly states that the woman involved was willing participant and they were all just having a bit of fun basically. Some people were doing a bit of bondage and someone called the police. Stoopid.

Look, it's all just a bit of fun between consenting adults. I'm in a battle re-enactment group (RL), but have never actually stabbed anyone - we just pretend to a bit.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-19-2007 09:38
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Not really. There are plenty of male slaves for starters.


You looking for a job?

The point of my comment was that shouldn't a freewoman eschew slavery herself?
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:46
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She did for years.

Before or after the were suckered in by "tours", "guides", etc. Before they knew it, they were collared.

Go sell the bullshit somewhere else. And you can tell the leaders of the gor planet in outer space I said so too.. lol.

Are they friends with Darth Vader?


No one can be collared unless they consent to the roleplay. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Some guy comes up to you and emotes collaring you - you can simply tp away, log off or ignore them (the first two being the most appropriate, since if you're there to stay it's because you want to be part of the roleplay).

Anyone who is weak willed enough to be brow-beaten over the internet into doing something they don't want to doesn't deserve to live anyway and would be doing the human race a favour by slitting their wrists.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 09:46
From: Brenda Connolly
You looking for a job?

The point of my comment was that shouldn't a freewoman eschew slavery herself?


No. No moreso than a free man should at any rate. Why would you assume that? You're assuming I think that a free woman should feel a sense of solidarity to her "sisters" I take it. Women, however, are just as capable of treating people as mere objects as men are.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-19-2007 09:57
From: Conan Godwin
No. No moreso than a free man should at any rate. Why would you assume that? You're assuming I think that a free woman should feel a sense of solidarity to her "sisters" I take it. Women, however, are just as capable of treating people as mere objects as men are.

What the Hell are you talking about!!!? I was using Freewoman in the Gorean sense, Mandy was talking about having a slave even though she is a Freewoman, and I was asking if that was contradictory according to the Tao of Gor.

/me gives you a smack upside your head
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Giannia Rossini
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07-19-2007 09:58
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I will say this- on Gor, an earth woman must expect to be raped, beaten, and humiliated into unquestioning obedience. No gentle matriarch will take them aside and explain to them the beauty of submission, or the responsibilities of domination. That is something for people who roleplay intense subjects to discuss out of character. Men will simply use them, and use them hard. Free Women will despise them. Native Gorean kajirae will scorn them as stupid, clumsy and plain. They adapt, or they die. Either of misery, or because they failed to obey well enough.


In roleplay based on the books, the above would be true. But, in practice the opposite is usually going to be the case, in most versions of online Gor. I'm sure I said, earlier in the thread, that the quickest way to get in deep shit in online Gor is to treat somebody else's slave in the manner in which kajirae are treated in the books.

For example, I remember one chat site offered an award for "The Most-Welcoming Home." For the most part, rape is rare in online Gor, FW cuddle and coddle kajirae, and other kajirae will treat them like *gags* "sisters."
Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 10:00
From: Brenda Connolly
What the Hell are you talking about!!!? I was using Freewoman in the Gorean sense, Mandy was talking about having a slave even though she is a Freewoman, and I was asking if that was contradictory according to the Tao of Gor.

/me gives you a smack upside your head


Don't be smakin' me Connolly. Watch it.
A free woman owning slaves is perfectly acceptable in Gor - SL and the novels both - and is quite common in the novels. Norman remains mute on the statistics, but various critics have estimated that only about 5%-10% women in the Gor novels are actually slaves.
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Brenda Connolly
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07-19-2007 10:02
From: Conan Godwin
Don't be smakin' me Connolly. Watch it.
A free woman owning slaves is perfectly acceptable in Gor - SL and the novels both - and is quite common in the novels. Norman remains mute on the statistics, but various critics have estimated that only about 5%-10% women in the Gor novels are actually slaves.

Well I didn't know that. That's why I asked you big lunkhead!
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07-19-2007 10:03
From: Conan Godwin
. Norman remains mute on the statistics, but various critics have estimated that only about 5%-10% women in the Gor novels are actually slaves.


The other 90% are probably incredibly bored.
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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 10:07
From: Brenda Connolly
The other 90% are probably incredibly bored.


That's the novels I'm talking about.

The other 90% have husbands and are too busy cooking, cleaning and performing their bedroom duties to get bored. Which is as it should be.
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07-19-2007 10:11
From: Conan Godwin
That's the novels I'm talking about.

The other 90% have husbands and are too busy cooking, cleaning and performing their bedroom duties to get bored. Which is as it should be.



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Conan Godwin
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07-19-2007 10:17
From: Chris Norse
Starts popping popcorn and icing down the cokes. Let the fireworks start!


Either Brenda hasn't seen my comment, or she agrees with me.

I'd like to think it's the latter.
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07-19-2007 10:21
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Either Brenda hasn't seen my comment, or she agrees with me.

I'd like to think it's the latter.

Oh you poor, disillusioned man.
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07-19-2007 10:30
From: Conan Godwin
Don't be smakin' me Connolly. Watch it.
A free woman owning slaves is perfectly acceptable in Gor - SL and the novels both - and is quite common in the novels. Norman remains mute on the statistics, but various critics have estimated that only about 5%-10% women in the Gor novels are actually slaves.



From: Conan Godwin
That's the novels I'm talking about.

The other 90% have husbands and are too busy cooking, cleaning and performing their bedroom duties to get bored. Which is as it should be.



Okay - this is a bunch of nonsense.

Having read about a dozen of the novels Ill explain

First off:

Its just slaves compared to the Total population of women of the planet that is the 5-10% number,

Nearly EVERY SINGLE woman who is given a name in the books becomes a slave at some point during the story.

Free women who dont become slaves are like the red shirts in Star Trek - just extras. Atmosphere.



Secondly: The 90% are happy taking care of their husbands in the books is entirely inaccurate as well.

Great lengths are made of the idea that Free Women cant satisfy men in the bedroom, and of course if a Man can afford a slave to do the domestic duties he has one.


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People say that the books are badly written in that Norman spends huge sections of them talking about how Man and Women. Masters and Slaves interact and very little time getting on with the plot and the action.

I think there are a lot of people who arent interested in reading about relationships who skip over those parts.


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And finally Im going to assume your general sexist tone of "women should be in the kitchen" idea was either applying to Gor or was being sarcastic.
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07-19-2007 11:08
From: Arua Rotaru
emily start with the first of the series its a little hard to get into but it helps make the other ones make more sense

i got thru book 13 but want to start all over again but am having a hard time finding the books at any shops in rl


All 26 are available in world at Teletus and other city scriberies. :)
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