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Why the inverted commas? It clearly is consensual - it is impossible for it to be otherwise you moron.

I've read all of Robert Howard's Conan books and cannot find a single explicit description of sex in any of them. It is only ever alluded to in Conan.

I'm going to assume you lack the part of the brain that the rest of us use to process humour.

Those are called Quatation Marks.

*Somebody took an extra Bitchy pill this morning it seems*

...and this is something that you think actually happens? LOL, by criticizing decisions taken on a consensual and adult way you are doing exactly the opposite you are advocating.

He, not to even talk about the fact that "your" freedom, may not be the same as "my" freedom.



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I might understand what? That impressionable fools will go along with anything they're told?

The answer is JUST DON'T JOIN THE ROLEPLAY!!
Like I said, if someone comes upto you and types /me collars you, you can always type back "no you don't" and that's the end of the matter. You either join the roleplay or you don't. Why are you trying to make it more complicated than it really is? Next you'll be telling me that there are "feelings" involved. This focus on "feelings" over pracitcal reallities are basically everything that is wrong with the world today - it breeds exactly the kind of weakness of character that results in people getting "hurt" by roleplay.

Robert Howard isnt the only author of Conan books -

The "Conan the Barbarian" Series is written by quite a few authors. Much later.

The story of the actual titled "Conan the barbarian" Movie has sex scenes in it. Where Conan kills a vampiric being post-coitus. Other parts of that movie sex is strongly implied such as when they push a woman into the cage of Captive gladiator conan. And of course the whole love interest part ..

Originally there were supposed to be two fairly explicit Sex scenes in "Conan the destroyer" (writen by Robert Jordan) but they were cut to obtain a PG rating.

Considering the time when Howard lived I dont find any of this conflicting. There was very little details of sex in even Pulp during the 30's

Actually they're called Speech Marks. However, unless you are quoting dialogue (which she wasn't) inverted commas (') should be used. I decided not to draw attention to her bad use of punctuation by pretending she had used the appropriate symbols.

Conan is by Robert Howard - everything else is just cheap copies and don't count. I've read Jordan's books too, and there is no explicit description of sex in the book either. The movies don't count either.

In the Gor books the characters may have sex, but its not described in detail.

Har's original point was somhow Gor was like Conan the Barbarian with sex.

My point was the sex in the gor books isnt really any more explicit than Conan the Barbarian.

Most Conan traditionalists consider these later pastiches to be nothing short of blasphemy. The movies were about a barbarian named Conan, not much else in common with Howard's barbarian. Howard was a very interesting man. I do prefer his Solomon Kane stories and some of his horror works over the Conan. His comedy "tall tales" are a good read as well.

Har brought up Conan - not me.

"Conan the Barbarian" refers to the Movie and and the series which led to it. Which were based on later non-Howard books, right? .

It doesnt mean it doesnt count becuase Har did not say "Conan stories by Robert Howard"

The writing of the Gor books as well as the sex scenes are basically the same as countless other 1960's pulp Science Fiction. It literally is no different. Norman seemed to use a style imitative of the trend at the time he began writing.

Speech Marks. OK. A new one on me.

Well said, Chris. As for me, I like the roleplay and when one of those envolved in the RP where I'm in logs off he or she thanks the others for a good RP. If I don't want to go to Gor I don't, simple. I'm a financial analyst, strongminded and there's nothing wrong with me as some ppl might think. I have lots of other things going on in SL besides Gor, for me it's getting away from it all. And yes, I can do that in RL as well and I do that but some ppl here consider those in Gor as demented pervs. And yes, some are but they're easily recognized and very quickly ignored. Before you form an opinion and try to force your will upon others, do some research. Fortunantely a lot of posters here did and I find this thread still extremely good reading material.

Mandy C

Around the time of the movie and a little earlier, Howard's works and those started by Howard, but finished by others, were republished. Milius made a decent movie, he just changed the character from the original Howard vision. The later pastiches were mostly rushed into print to capitalize on the Dungeon and Dragons craze of the mid to late 80s. Of course you did have the various comic versions of Conan, but they didn't stay true to Howard's character and world either.

I love this. And LL is also going to put the kibosh on people and groups who want to recruit/indoctrinate people into:

Christianity
Investing
The South Beach Diet
Their hotel
The joys of reading
Hippie Pay
The Republican Party
Canada
etc, etc, etc.... ad infinitum

All interesting - but I fail to see how it refutes my point that Gor is not sexually more explicit than "Conan" which was Har's original assertion.

I do not see how we can retroactively use a microscope to redefine what "Conan the Barbarian" means to invalidate me saying Gor is not more explicit.

I like Conan's TV show, but it's on too late for me now.

Pssst, they're all quotation marks, whether single or double. 'Speech marks' DOES refer to the doubled sort, but it's just as proper (and far more common) to refer to them simply as 'quotation marks.' So you're both right!

Howard's works do allude to sex, lots of naked wenches, some light S&M (see The Red Nails), but explicit descriptions are not there.

I can't speak to the Gor, I have scanned some of the books, they didn't do anything for me.

Calling the later works "Conan" would be like letting some of today's hacks into the worlds of C. S. Forester or Edgar Rice Burroughs and calling the resulting works Horatio Hornblower and Tarzan novels.

You are correct. I have read all the Conan books and all the Gor books, and there is more sex in Gor. There is one story that makes it clear that Conan is getting laid in between swordfights, but that's about it.

But we have another context issue here. Conan was racier, compared to it's era of science fiction, than Gor was for it's era. However, moved into a new era of literature, Witness is racier than Conan ever was.

There is no doubt that the editors at Bantam, a very mainstream sci-fi publishing house of the 50's onwards, influenced the books that they originally published to be less sexy than JN would have wanted. I think his second publisher, DAW, also held down the sex element.

Another thing, I think you have to look at JN in context compared to Howard, but even moreso to Burroughs. The premise of Tarnsman of Gor and Princess of Mars are nearly the same. For his era, Burroughs was also pretty racy.

What we see here, in all three authors' work, is a high level of sexuality that is suggested, implicit rather than explicit. If it was a play, we would hear the sex noises coming from off-stage, but never see an erect penis on stage.

If that is what Har meant he should have been more specific.

heres one of the horribly explicit sex scenes in the Gor books - Its actually more explicit than most -

I quote it becuase its one where the big hero guy Tarl is made a slave and then has sex with his Mistress.



At the end of the story of course, she is his slave and then his love interest.

Most of the stories involve a Master and Slave in a bizare sort of romance where at the end they "live happily ever after" ... until the next book anyhow.


As I was saying any decent Romance Novel will feature volumes of better explicit-ness (lol) than a Gor book.

True, having all 26 books of Gor I can say that this is indeed a fact. And yes, some ppl involved in the Gor sims are just looking for that. I tend to ignore them because that's not why I'm there.

Mandy C

Sorry chere,,Brenda has it Correct, "Speech Marks" is a colloquialism.

I've never Read the Conan Novels, I'll have to get around to those once i've completed the E.R.Burroughs "Tarzan", and "John Carter" novels.
What i CAN Tell you is I HAVE Read all 26 of the Gor novels and the Scenes of Sex in thise is much like Sex in a 1930's 40's Romance movie. You See the lead Up, you May even see the Initial Clinch, But then it's fade to Black, and the next you See is the Happy (And relieved0 couple Sitting back Fully Clothed, and sharing a Cigarette. Granted the Norman Novels have more (Described) Nudity, but that's really as far as it Goes.
On the Gor Sims Actual Out front "In your face" sex almost never happens, It's pretty well All in IM. You Know it's going on, But then, you know it's going on MOST places where there are adults one or more Genders Present. The only Real Difference is the Goreans are not Shy about Discussing it.

Angel.

No one ever said the buildings aren't nice. Orientalist perhaps, but nice apart from that.




a) No one seems to be trying to outright stop anything, just slating it for a variety of reasons
b) There is a wide, wide line between fascism and allowing everything to exist uncritiqued.