GOR as visitor

Funny most people in glass houses know enough not to throw stones.

Before you make statements like that please do some research.

What are you even talking about?

On what? Vampires?

Its okay I saw the movie.



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The vampire cult phenomenia that has grown out the vampire myth you mean?

Or the people who feel they are actually real life vampires?

I know what a vampire is .. seriously .. they murder people by sucking their blood. Thats the point.

Any slant of any Science fiction based sub-culture has doesnt change what the mythical monster from Books and Movies is.

Maybe a Scripture quote will be more understandable.


"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. " Matthew 7:5


You are involved in BDSM and vampire play, but you want to condemn those who rp Gor.

So yes, I call you a hypocrite.

The fascination's in the self-destructive seduction.

Look up what a psi-vamp is, but realize, don't believe everything you read about it on the Internet. A lot of it is a bit "off".

If you honestly want to know let me know. My point is not all vampires kill, nor drink blood, are afraid of garlic, crosses, etc. Most of it is ridiculous to begin with.

Thanks Pastor


You obviously do not know a thing about any of the 3 if you're lumping them together, and then saying being against one of them is being a hypocrite. I'm against rape rooms in SL too. Does that make me more of a hypocrite? You might as well lump that in there too.

If you're gonna do your homework about me, at least get it right. I'm into D/s in SL and RL, not BDSM in either. I'm also a psi-vamp in SL and RL, not a blood vamp in either.

Nobody is being forced to agree with my experienced opinion that gor is an absolute joke, both in SL and in RL.

Unless the "free people" clothing resembles something of a nova plaid, I aint going to visit.

Jez bends over and shows you her white cotton panties, where the butt of the panties is written "GOR SNORE"

Oh you are claiming to be a real life psi vamp, but the Goreans who want to travel to another planet are in need of help? That is one of the funniest damn things I have ever heard.

As for the rape rooms, yes that does add to your hypocrite status.

Why does this .. somehow.. invalidate the fact that the vampire myth / movie / book / monster kill people and drink their blood?

You are just saying the vampirism you participate in doesnt do that stuff- that doesnt change what modern mythical vampires are.

If you and your group didnt want associated with the mythical monster - someone should have picked a different name.

I am old enough to remember these pockets of "RL" vampires starting out - and the initial news reports (around 1980 time frame), its not some genetic thing. Its a cult following of people obsessed with a fantasy.

Its not hugely different than RL Gor in that sense.

Of course in SL theres fountains that overflow with blood, animations which allow people to suck necks, etc... which also doesnt distance itself from the bloody movie monster either.

Even the RL goreans dont believe in the Science fiction part of Gor. Least the ones Ive talked to.

They beleive in the philosophy laid out by the author John Norman.

Actually more feverntly than he does. He draws the RL line at more standard BDSM reportedly - he wrote a non-fiction book on the subject.

This is one of the best and most concise explanations I have ever seen.

I hope the noobs will consider it.

As for me, I find it fascinating that Patrick Califia did the introduction to the recent edition of Norman's nonfiction book Imaginative Sex.

What if a fairly sane RL Gorean stumbled upon one of the more wacko dangerous RL vampire groups and came on here and told us all RL vampires are a joke?

And held up as proof, his experience with that fringe element of RL vampires?

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do you not see the disconnect?

Yes there is a Wacko Fringe of people who hold others as RL sex slaves agaisnt their will - Both Goreans and Non-goreans.

Just like there is a Wacko Fringe of "RL vampires" who actually let blood and hurt people.

You saying you are a *Safe* RL vampire , while at the same time arguing *RL Goreans* are unsafe is really being short sighted.

Theres simply a Wacko Fringe of people .. and they would find Something in Myth or Fiction to latch onto and be wacko while doing.

It doesnt make everyone who pursues a RL Fantasy world of some sort dangerous - reguardless of the type of fantasy.

Indeed, wackos are everywhere... so much so that if you start something new, you have to put a process in place to keep them from damaging your project.

Kind and honorable people are also everywhere. I've certainly found plenty in both Gor and the vampire RPG scene.

It's SO naive to believe that if you shut out certain arbitrary classes of people, you can somehow transcend the problems that go along with being humans in groups. It takes more work than that, and is less simple.

As usual, you addressed a fifth of what I said and responded with another asinine comment.

You are comparing things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Read what I responded with and at least give it some thought before you respond again.

It doesn't. I never claimed it did.


I agree.


I'll go back thousands of years and let them know.


Of course it is. Have you seen anything other than "news reports" around 1980 that made you come to that conclusion?


Again, I agree.

I've met a mix of both, both in RL and SL. So who's "right"? It makes gor that much more idiotic to me.

I'm confused here. You practice an Alternative RolePlay/Lifestyle in RL and SL, yet you are condemning a group that does the same?

Its a special skill that trolls have, as well as a fear of sunlight it appears vampires share other troll-like attributes.

I'm not trying to be insulting either. We had a similar case a while back, where a person did something similar, denouncing most RP and fetishes, while declaring her Vampirism was OK because it was her lifestyle. I don't get the rationale behind it.

Simple human nature, dislike, jealousy of other groups and cultures.

Vampire or Gor at the end of the day its just a setting, a theme, its not a religion. Its background material that is loosely or strictly referenced and forms a basis for roleplaying.

I've been exploring Gor for about the last 6 weeks, coming from the "other" D/s side of SL. I'm really enjoying it and I've met some great people. And thats where DJQuad's arguement completely disintegrates, Vampire, Gor, furry, etc. doesn't matter, its the people you meet and enjoy your time with, not the sub-culture or setting you do it in.

I responded to what you wrote. I did read it, several times in fact. Each time I was struck by your utter hypocrisy.

When I grew up, I used to play "Cowboy and Indian" with my friends. We "shot" each other with toy guns. One of us fell down and played dead.

Murder is unquestionably a bad and objectionable act. A "cowboy" shooting an "Indian" raises additional moral objections. But my parents had nothing against it, since they understood that it was a harmless game and no one got hurt.

If we even trust children to understand the difference between game and reality, without worrying about them doing something morally wrong and possibly turning into serial killers, and without worrying about political correctness, we should trust adults even more. Historical reenactors kill each other in large-scale battles, and we know it's absolutely harmless.

BDSM is a game. Roleplayed slavery is a game. Roleplayed rape is just a game, not any worse than roleplayed murder. Some people call it a lifestyle, because they play this game all around the clock. But they play it on a consensual basis, knowing that their partners have fun and can alway opt out if they aren't in the mood.

You touched on the heart of this matter: Political Correctness. We are not talking logic here; yours is impeccable, though neither BDSM nor Gor is my thing at all. We are talking people getting their rocks off spouting stuff they think is Politically Correct. It has nothing to do with reality only with what seems currently intellectually fashionable. With Gor you have ZOMG Repression of Women - and Gays, too! Irresistible! Both are still in fashion.

Also you have people with an irrational phobia about Rape. Not about the terrible, RL act itself, but about the Idea of it in their minds, and those folks are fighting their phobias when they are fighting "you." They are not rational either.

If you are going to address them, you will need to address them on a different level. Or better yet, maybe just let them subside and see if that helps.