GOR as visitor

I have visited a few Gorean sims without any problems. Just be sure to wear a 'just visiting' tag.

*coughs*

Tal Everyone,

Well i visited a couple of towns yesterday and I had no problem whatsoever. I just made sure to read and follow the rules of the city available at the new arrival station and to wear that city's visitor tag. All the towns were friendly and helpful so far, especially Midgaard, thank you Emily6 for being my guide there! It was a lot of fun. The buildings are beautiful and there's actually a lot of learning you can do in Gor. I found that out by visiting the scribery at Midgaard, the largest one in Gor I was told. Emily6 was actually encouraged to show me around the city by her masters so I didn't feel like I was getting in the way or interrupting anything at all. There was a funny little episode in which Emily and I thought one of the men was going to collar me but he had actually captured another girl of which we didn't see right away because of a LAG issue, which there seems to be a lot of on Gor. It is important to use only IM to converse with someone. I also made sure to dress appropriately. I think if you show respect for their laws they'll show respect to you. Also, the slaves of the city were very helpful and whenever I had a question I would ask one of them. If their not busy, they might even give you a tour of the city. So I had a lot of fun and plan of touring more cities.

Czari, looking forward to getting together with you in the future and learning more about Gor.

Wishing you all well,
Sommerland

* as per Winter Phoenix * Vampires are said 'not to be' on Gor by the simple fact that Norman hasnt included any vampirism in any of the books...

Simple fact why they were not included in the books ... cause they would not exist on planet gor that *John Norman* wrote and according to his books gor is a MANS world and therefore Vampires do not exist in the land of gor cause the blue flames of death would destroy them ... Tarnsman of Gor...Gor 1
I had made my way perilously through the darkness for perhaps twenty minutes when, to my horror, my knapsack and bedroll seemed to burst into blue flame on my back. It was an instant’s action to hurl them from me, and I gazed, bewildered, awe-stricken, at what seemed to be a furious blue combustion that lit the pines on all sides as if with acetylene flames. It was like staring into a furnace. I knew that it was the envelope that had burst into flame, taking with it my knapsack and bedroll. I shuddered, thinking of what might have happened if I had been carrying it in the pocket of my coat.... Priest-Kings prefer humans to live in isolated communities. This makes it easier to observe men and prevent the development of science that could become a threat. Sometimes, the Priest-Kings destroy a random city to teach the might of the Priest-Kings and to encourage obeying their laws. The Priest-Kings also enforce their Technology and Weapon Laws to control Gor. They have a series of spaceships that monitor the surface of Gor for violations. If they locate a violator, he receives the Flame Death. A blue flame disintegrates that person. (from Luther's essays)...

and there are many types of Vampyres ... not all are bloodsucking Vampyres to survive and not from hollywood screens

anyways it is just a observation on my part why goreans even mingle with Vampyres when they could not even exist on land of gor if there was a land of gor


and that is why gor is nothing but a land of wannabes and gamers and living in the land of disney gor
and prey on innocent girls and women and brainwash them and hurt them

So, to summarize...





Sounds like a party to me.

Have you gotten branded yet?

if your not living it quit knocking it
most females i know from gorean sims went there seeking that lifestyle no one prey'd on them no one approached them they showed up asking for a slaver or other master to submit to

i am so sick and tired of comments like yours you are making general broad and rash statements and not everyone involved in gor is like that

i have been approached more by just d/s types that preyed on women more then the gor masters i knew

same with alot of other rp types

everyone as their good people and their bad people involved you can not judge all by how some act

I think you Misunderstood me Chere, I WAS in the Communities (Chief Magistrate for 5+ Sims), but left them some time ago over my Lack of Patience with Persons who Didn't have clue #1 what Gor was about. I live quietly now with my Girls, and i share my Knowledge, and experiences RL, and SL, with anyone of the right Mindset to learn.

This thread, and the previous one on "being a Gor Slave" have been Excellent. The Majority of responses in Both have been Fair, Open and Reasonable. It's a refreshing turn-around from the usual Uninformed Histrionics many of the Past threads have generated.



As i stated some time Ago, The Vast Majority of Gorean Sims and cities do NOT permit non humans, and Non Gorean RP on their Lands, I have Never seen in all my expriences over the Past Three Years ANY Large Gor City that permits Vampirism.
I suggest before you Form an opinion on a Subject you at least spend a little time learning about the subject. Had you Done so you would have Know that the events in the Passage you quoted Took Place on EARTH, Not on Gor, and the destruction of "The Letter" was due to it's own Inherant properties and NOT due to the direct intervention of the Priest Kings.

3 out of 10 for effort, 0 out of 10 for Effect.


Angel.

Please send screenshots to............

She did for years.

Before or after the were suckered in by "tours", "guides", etc. Before they knew it, they were collared.

Go sell the bullshit somewhere else. And you can tell the leaders of the gor planet in outer space I said so too.. lol.

Are they friends with Darth Vader?

/waits for her response to show the wannabes like you how much she knows about it. Why do you think she detests it now?

I am so glad you had a good time visiting, Sommerland, and was so very sorry I was not available. But I look forward to meeting you soon. *smiles*

I have never been to Midgaard, so now I shall visit based on your experience. So I have learned from you!!!

girl lands on the docks...sees me kneeling on the pier and asks me for the name of the slaver or closest master she can submit to no suckered into it

im so glad your so tolerable of others
if you and your friend dont like those sort of sims dont go to them and leave the people in them alone its that simple

Oh I'm sorry I misunderstood. *blushes* And I agree that with *ahem* minor exception, this has turned into a very interesting and informative thread. *smiles*

I wish you most well!!

Ggreetings to those :

Quotes by Angel * As i stated some time Ago, The Vast Majority of Gorean Sims and cities do NOT permit non humans, and Non Gorean RP on their Lands, I have Never seen in all my expriences over the Past Three Years ANY Large Gor City that permits Vampirism.


I suggest before you Form an opinion on a Subject you at least spend a little time learning about the subject. Had you Done so you would have Know that the events in the Passage you quoted Took Place on EARTH, Not on Gor, and the destruction of "The Letter" was due to it's own Inherant properties and NOT due to the direct intervention of the Priest Kings. *

I was gorean , although I dont need to prove my experience of it , that was my past .. however I was gorean for over 10 yrs and lived it in real for over 5 yrs ... I like anyone else that was curious of what this was and how it differ from BDSM as I lived bdsm since I was 18 in real not online ... and no I was not a submissive ... I am what you call a born Domme Switch ... yes I know Switches are not recongnised in gor * how narrow minded * however I know many gorean masters that are mear bois and not even a master and hide behind there slaves ... so I was at a place in palace was BDSM and gor so I ventured and yes was lured by a smooth talker said he show me around so I could see what the difference is ... load and behold I was collared I was in a forest with him and how was I to know since I never read on it ... to make a long story short I am honorable always was and still am .. so I was learning etc 6 months later we went real well little did I know there was other slaves and then more later on ... was told he could do what he pleased and I have no say yes that is right slaves are treated as objects and possesions not really cared for ... after I learnt alot and he taught me alot that I finally stood up and got out of it and was released as a Free Women ... yes the adjustment was hard at first cause you are so mind fucked and brainwashed to get back to what you were ... I started to Mentor and tried to help alot of slaves that were in my situation and felt trapped ... I then became a Panther and a damn good one that alot feared me well the men did *chuckles* I was back in BDSM in real to and Mentored at a club I belong to and still do Mentor ... I also sit on the D/s Council .... I help alot of slaves that seek reforage and a safe heaven and guidance .... I am tired of seeing slaves get hurt and the misconception of what gor is ... and yes Vamps have no place in gor nor do they exist in gor of all the 10 yrs I was in gor not one was allowed in gor and they were considered ghosts as how can undead live and breed in gor .... anyways I am a down to earth person I am sure alot of you are to I dont cast stones I say it as it is ... take me for what I am I or dont that is upto you ...

but the reason I left gor is cause it will mess you up and yes I saved and helped over 20 gorean masters get out of gor and Mentored them in D/s and they are happier and have a better outlook

Bless be and I pray those that want out seek me out
Zola

One does not find Gor - it finds you. The stories are just that, novels and not well written at that. Those that find it easy to belittle and downplay what you do not understand, fine.
Those that know - know.

The ideas though - they resonate and that is what beckons. So, if one is truly interested you will find the path. If, on the other, hand all you want is games and nonsense SL is as good a place to find it as another.

Czari, I will be on SL later and IM you. I am still curious and would like to see the Gorean sim. If you are available, that would be good - if not then, we will connect another time.

And if any are interested in discussion of the ethos behind it all, I would be happy to point you in a good direction that does not in any way involve RP.

IWYW
A

Learn more about it dear.


Thanks for the obvious advice. Brilliant.

So does cancer.

ive read most of the books and spent over 3 months in a gor sim
i have numerous friends in various gor sims al over sl

i visit the sims often if tere are tings going on

i know plenty im sorry your friend got in with the wrong person but that doesnt make all goreans bad

You were right, her response was as Inevitable as it was Predictable.
Ten years in the Lifestyle, and never read a book.

Zola, accepting your tale as true, Many of us Also are disgusted by Dom/mes Poorly trained, ill suited, or just plain Wrong for the Role they have Chosen for themselves. In Part this is what these Threads are about, EDUCATING prospective Slaves on What to look for, and what to look out for in exploring the Lifestyle.
It sounds like you had a very +/- relationship with your owner. You Seemed completely Unaware of what the Role of Gor slave meant, Even if your owner wasn't forwarning you, you MUST have heard the axiom Common to our kind "Knowledge is the slaves Only defence". Before entering into this relationship in SL, and definately before RL, you needed to do Much more research than you did, at which point you wouldn't have been blindsided by the nature of your captivity. Both you and your master were negligent of the Most Basic rules of the D/s lifestyles. You admit you Were taught some things of use, if only sufficient to realize Too late you were on the wrong end of the leash. In the end, you have to Share some of the responsibility for how things went simply because you Ignored Common sense in Moving ahead ill informed.

I sympathize that someone had Taken what could have been a Very positive thing in your life, and spoiled it for you, But you cannot judge ALL Gorean relationships by your experience with a Poor, and self Serving "Would-be" Master. If you assume that because You, and admitted switch, were unhappy with your chosen Role, that ALL Gor slaves Must be equally unhappy, and abused, you are Making a Great Mistake. it's the same as condemning the Institution of Marriage because your Husband Cheated on you. It's a disservice to those slaves truely Happy, and fulfilled in their roles serving Experienced, and Competent owners.

IF you want to help Slaves, AND Dom/mes alike, Don't condemn out of hand something that, when it is done Well, is a very rewarding experience. LEARN about it Properly, and Do what I do. Tell total Neophytes that Gor is Not what you Start With. You need to learn to swim before you Dive into the Sea. Actively dissuade people from entering the lifestyle Not because the Lifestyle is Wrong, But Because They are not Suited to the Lifestyle and to do that you Need to know More about the lifestyle, and Even More about Reading People.

D/s isn't for everyone, and Gor is not for Every D/s.

Angel.

My one and only response to you - after this, I see you not.

You know nothing and as such speak to nothing. You are blind and do not know it.

I do not know what RP stuff happens in SL regarding Gor, as I said early in the thread, I have not even been to any of the sims.

I know when I get up in the morning that I breathe, that is all I need to know because it is me. Finding Gor was the same way for me - I merely needed to breathe.

Those that seek find even if they do not know they seek. Live well.

*quote by Angelique*
You were right, her response was as Inevitable as it was Predictable.
Ten years in the Lifestyle, and never read a book.


Do not assume what the other you think may not know only makes an ass out of you ...
I did read all the books of gor and have all 26 books ... even held forums etc and teaching as you missed in my post I trained not only Dom/mes and subs I also trained slaves and the Free ... if I would put in alot of what I did and didnt would be days for you to read if not weeks ~chuckles under my breath ~ ,,, and if you read I am a natural born Domme Switch .. from real and online experience I am what I am today cause of it ... as I said I am a fair person and down to earth I dont look down on ppl and I dont look down at subs/slaves ... * Free and Dom/mes forget one thing they are nothing without a good sub or slave as that is what makes THEM and accept it or not but 90% of the time it is the sub or slave that is incharge think about it *

and if you read and grasp what I was saying instead of interrupting it to how you thought and assumed you would then see what I was trying to get across and most of the time it is hard to explain it cause of my french ..

*remember no women on gor is safe even if there a red caste of gor * slaves of gor

Bless be and I hope you see it I am not judging all goreans but those who fit the shoe wears it well

Zola

When I was there, they had free clothes available to wear (I chose the free woman garb..wearing silks is going to look like you are RP) and it was a great visit. I RPd a visitor from another land and met lots of nice people.

The younger son of a friend of mine is lactose intolerant.

Every time he drank milk, he got sick, you know... nausea, vomits, feeling horrible type of thing.

So, if I put myself in his shoes and tried to see the world thru the same eyeglasses that Zola and DJQuad are using to look at Gor I can immediately realize that milk is evil and that all milk drinkers should stop drinking milk ASAP.

Now, stating these obvious facts about the veil behind milk will add little to no value to people asking which type of milk is better 2% or whole?

When I get involved in a forum of any type I normally follow one simple rule. I respect the other reader. After all, I have the choice to read or not and to comment or not on a given topic.

I can not attest to Zola's experience in D/s or Gor relationships, but from what I've read, I can say that Angelique has been, by far, more respectful to Zola and the rest of the forum community than Zola and DJQuad had. Being intolerant or disrespectful only takes away your credibility, nothing else.

Now, in the immortal words of Johnie Storm... "Flame On"

EDITED b/c my spelling is horrible

For me the ideas are what resonate and repel. Ideas that laud control, fear, sexism-bordering-misogyny, thoughtless homophobia, xenophobia, violence, cruelty. These are the worst characteristics of humanity and the things Gorean sims worship. The simplistic misunderstanding of Darwinism leads to what is in essence fascism by another name. I don't like Gor because I find those things repulsive. What consenting adults to in pixelled nudity is their own business, but I do find the ideology repulsive and naive at best.




I would Agree to an extent in that people do get into it without Any true understanding. And as with anything, True understanding comes as much From studying bad examples (What Not To Do) and seeing the Reasoning behind Dissent. (Which one may of course disagree with, but Rejecting it with a Simple "they don't Understand" isn't giving disagreement the credit it may deserve.)

"The slave's Only defence." A slave is an attacked being, something powerless other than on mere Knowledge, which in SL comes Down to individual sims, So diverse are their takes on Gor. Maybe you want one That genuinely treats women as chattel (though in that case you may need some RL help and fast) or maybe you Want a More enlightened one. Do the research before you commit to anything.




The truly free don't veil for anyone.

Angel, just want to applaud you on a very informative, respectful post.

My main response to the thread in general (you already know this *smiles*) is that Goreans who understand the philosophy do not "recruit people." Some or evn many SL, IRC, AW Gor, Palace, Yahoo, MSN, you-name-it Gorean channels/sims may...but as has been discussed quite thoroughly here...just because someone tosses the term "Gor" out doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

The two founders of the first IRC Gorean room said over and over and over and over again...when people came to THEM and wanted to "be Gorean" - their first statement was always - RUN!!! That might seem unusual, but he tried to tell people that GOR IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. If it keeps beckoning to you (not the people, not the rp) but you...then you *might* be one who grasps the underlying concepts.

For that reason, my home channel on IRC has always been small. It has existed for 11 years as I have said, but only of those who came, saw, experienced, and stayed. We never travel, recruit, etc.

Now other channels, venues...that is them. I travel little here on SL as well.