The new neighbors...

Mari I really dont have any advice to offer on this one..its a toughie..I can see both sides. There was always this risk when living on Mature land, I can only hope they are approachable. I like to think I am a good neighbour and would happily work with my neighbours to make everyones time in sl less complicated...but sadly not everyone is like that.

They truly may come back at you saying.."well we picked this land as its mature and the covenant suits" if there is one) I just don't know what recourse you have because of that

thoughts are not crimes.

Technically not, but are usually the step before.

whatever you say

Most of the mass shootings we see in the US of late have been meticulously planned, buying up equipment for months beforehand, leaving notes/clues in places to be found, scouting out the location to pick the best place to start firing or tracking the victims to get a regular pattern out of them to know the best place to take them out.

Very few of them will just be a regular, normal, balanced individual waking up one morning and thinking, "I know, I'll go insane with a gun this afternoon".

Am I comparing a mass shooting with someone shagging a pixel horse? No. But to say that thoughts are irrelevant to actions are just plain wrong.

In my opinion this is not only a weak argument, but a very dangerous one as well. Because there will always be weaker minds that cross barriers between fantasy and real life. Wether it is a shooting because they saw a violent movie, rape because they saw CSI, or animal sex because they did a pixel dog in SL. As soon as you let that extremely small part of society dictate what is available to the majority, the end is near. Next will be: BDSM as it gives weak people the impression they can get anyone to be their slave. Combat as it will give some weak people the idea they can shoot at free will. Male appendages as it will give weaker minds the idea they can run around on the streets with their meat out of their zipper. And so on.

People with these impulses, horrible or not, are NOT given any license to do it all they want. They can watch their avatar's pixels use a prim in the shape of a dog! Nothing more! The animals are objectified you say. Well the same can be said about every AV in SL, its nothing more then pixels for gods sake. This is SL, not RL.

Just for the arguments sake, let me try another approach: These people have those impulses, and can act them out on SL. No animal hurt. Same could even go for ageplay, if it were not forbidden.

Hope you get my point,

Marcel

You cannot take the human out of the avatar, however much you try. What the avatar is 'in to', the human will be into, either openly or subconsciously, and when those things are sick or illegal, it would be wrong of us to just allow it to go on unchallenged lest people think that they are 'normal'.

Thankoo, Tiana (an everybuggy). I'm kinda jes listening on dis thread, an tryin to tink of how I'm gonna write a note to these folks so they know I'm not trying to force them to change to fit me, but really trying to find a way for them an us to both get what we need out of this.

Mari

So are you saying Nabokov was into sex with 12 year old girls then?

So are you saying Nabokov was into sex with 12 year old girls then?

Mari, I sympathise with your situation, I really do.

But you are on mainland marked mature, no?

If that is the case then your situation is just like any other situation where someone moves a sex club next door to your parcel. It doesn't matter what type of avatar you have - nor should it - everyone should be treated equally, no matter what their avatar looks like.

Talk to them, asking them to tone it down, put up some privacy, etc. They may, in which case situation solved, or they may not.

The rights or wrongs, morally, of what they do is a different discussion - I suggest you stay out of that arena because, as you see from the discussion here - down that road lies extreme Drama.

Thankoo, Tiana (an everybuggy). I'm kinda jes listening on dis thread, an tryin to tink of how I'm gonna write a note to these folks so they know I'm not trying to force them to change to fit me, but really trying to find a way for them an us to both get what we need out of this.

Mari

Thankoo, Tiana (an everybuggy). I'm kinda jes listening on dis thread, an tryin to tink of how I'm gonna write a note to these folks so they know I'm not trying to force them to change to fit me, but really trying to find a way for them an us to both get what we need out of this. Mari

So I have new neighbors.

They have a big, goth castle out in the beachy tropical paradise of Islandia, but I'm not concerned about their preference in architecture. Instead, my concern is their subject matter. It's a place focused on BDSM and Bestiality (No, not furs - I mean prim animals you can do things with).

For myself, what they opt to do with their prims on their land is their business, not mine. I am having an issue with a couple things, though.

1. Their "stable" and some of the equipment they have out in the open on their land is <20m from my land, meaning I now have a "dead zone" where I can't go without getting to hear their activities.

2. Some of the folks going to their place just seem to love to come on over to our land, pop into our house, play on the tree outside, etc. -- and charitible as I am, I do not feel comfortable with folks doing such.

So I have to ask: what sort of options do I have here, as a land owner? Further, what would be the *right* thing to do to mitigate the situation?

Mari
(Moving is not an option)

Like I think I've said a time or two on the thread - I'm not looking for "special treatment" here, jes trying to figure out ways both parties can get what they want.

Well with a remark like this you prove at least one thing: You are closer to the horse ass, then the one getting an erection. Must make you happy I guess

oh well since you are the authority on whats accepted as normal . .

Wait: That means they're not just having sex with animals, they're having sex with CHATTING animals. Oh, dear god, no! THEY'RE HAVING SEX WITH MISTER ED!

In my opinion sex with animals is fine, as long as it doesnt come to abuse. If a male german shepherd performs his "act" with a human female, I cannot say its abuse. If a male human performs his "act" with let's say a mare, I cannot say its abuse. So as soon as the animal gets actually hurt, it is no more fine, just as beating it with a stick isn't. Again, that is my opinion. Not my taste however.

It's also very frustrating and tedious for people to try and defend virtual paedophilia, beastiality and who knows what other sick stuff because "it's not real", when it's also very clear to many people that their views of 'right and wrong' are different to a small, but very vocal, group that feel they have the 'right' to behave in whatever manner they wish.

Get off your High Horse

Like I think I've said a time or two on the thread - I'm not looking for "special treatment" here, jes trying to figure out ways both parties can get what they want.

Having sex with animals isn't normal. Real life or virtual. It's just plain wrong. Such behaviour has no place in Second Life. It's this kind of crap going on that makes the rest of us who are here for "normal" stuff look bad, because it's not the good stuff that ever makes it into the media.