The new neighbors...

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Welcome to Second Life, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.

Hmmmm... Good Question: Are any of us Normal? Can we tell other people about SL and sound "normal"? Is being a Furry, a Gorean, a vampire, or an adult playing a child "normal"?

I'd say no one who comes to SL is "normal".

Which is prolly why I keep coming back!!

This would be a very bad thing to do. Effectively, it would be griefing Mari's new neighbors. Very very bad.

(sign me up for 8pm SL time. i already have bagpipes, btw ... they might come in handy. who's bringing the popcorn?)
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I've discussed this before: it's cuz I have parents, an they might wish to have some "over 18" time now and then after us kids are asleep. I'd really prefer to not be forced out of the space. It's a nice spot, right on the void sea. Not an ad farm in sight.

Also, my SL mommy bought it when the land was first available, an given how fluid SL can be, I kinda like the idea of that permanence.

Mari

Sorry to pop in here but just wanted to correct something that keeps being repeated as fact, unless this has changed recently, and please let me know if it has, it is not illegal to produce, sell or own animated child pornography in the United States:

Quote: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court Tuesday struck down a 6-year-old law that prohibits the distribution and possession of virtual child pornography that appears to -- but does not -- depict real children.

The law had banned a range of techniques -- including computer-generated images and the use of youthful-looking adults -- which were designed to convey the impression of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

The 6-3 ruling says the law violates the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech.
End Quote.

I find it hard to believe but there you have it.

FaTeke Wottitz

"So shines a good deed in a weary world."
Willy Wonka

Yes...which illustrates my favorite saying here:

"We're all here, 'cause we're not all there..."

I find this logic kind of strange.

In very few civilised countries is it OK to go out into an area with a loaded weapon and shoot people and kill them. Not only is it not normal, it's not even legal, even if they ARE consenting. And yet we have whole areas of SL given over to exactly that and if you don't like it - just don't go there. Nobody is yelling that the people that like doing this are "not normal" and should be stopped.

Oh? They're "just playing" at killing people? Well, I'm sure the BDSM folks with the chainsaws and the folks with the animals are just playing too.

Sorry, but you really can't have it both ways - either we are going to have a world where we are free to push the limits of RL normality, and be furries, vampires, samurai warriors, post-nuclear holocaust warriors or whatever, or we insist that RL cultural norms are followed in SL, in which case a lot of the things that a lot of people do in SL would be considered "undesirable".

Do I like what they do? Hell no, but I believe they have a right to do it in SL, if they want. I won't be adding too many to my friends list soon, though.

Nope. Yay!

I have horses...could I dress them up with pigtails and lollipops? They could sit on the bleachers and represent the equine population in SL...

Dear my equestrian lusting neighbor,

I do not know if you were aware but I am able to read the text noises that come out of your stable liasons.

In addition your barn door is so open I can see your barn door!

Might I ask you to move where you have your virtual interspecies intercourse back about 10 meters? I am sure you wouldnt want me to hear your manger talk. Also some strategically places foliage would not be a waste of effort.

Hopefully we can come to an agreement, but I am sure you will understand if I would rather not shake your hand over the deal?

Sincerely, With fingers in my ears and my eyes shut!

Your neighbor.

That's a great Idea! Let's all bring are pets and make those sounds people make when they watch fireworks...

Ooooohhhh! Aaaahhhh!

Yes - that was repeated over and over during the sexual ageplay debates -

However many in Second Life live in places outside the US where such laws have not been struck down.

Nika...can you just imagine the look on a Linden employee's face when they read the chat log that went with the AR?

Apparently, you've never been to Mexico

Fun Facts:

National Laws on Zoosexuality

Belgium Legal. However the spreading of zoosexual pornography is not according to a court ruling in 2006 against a man who frequently had sex with dogs in a shelter he had worked for. He was acquitted from the charge of animal abuse and was only found guilty of violating public decency by spreading zoosexual pornographic material he had made at the shelter, which he did mainly via his website under the nickname Freki. The Belgian animal rights organisation Gaia, which filed the complaint, appealed unsuccessfully against the court ruling.

Cambodia Legal. As of 2005, police released a man suspected of zoosexual activity stating that while unusual, falling in love with a dog is not illegal.

Denmark Legal. A 2006 bid by the Danish People's Party to outlaw bestiality failed after the a report by the Danish Animal Ethics Council determined that existing laws were sufficient protection against abuse.

Finland Legal.

Germany Legal. Sex with animals is not specifically outlawed (but trading pornography showing it is.) In West Germany, the law making it a crime (§175b StGB, which also outlawed homosexual acts) was removed in 1969. East Germany before reunification had no law against zoosexual activity; zoosexual pornography, however, was very restricted. Certain barriers are set by the Animal Protection Law (Tierschutzgesetz).

Mexico Legal.

Netherlands Legal.

Norway Legal. It was formerly illegal, but made legal in 1972 together with making homosexuality legal.

Sweden Legal. It was formerly illegal, but made legal in 1944 together with making homosexuality legal. A 2005 report by the Swedish Animal Welfare Agency for the Swedish government expressed strong concerns over the increase in reports of horse-ripping incidents, although noting that "the rise in documented cases did not necessarily mean that there was a de facto increase", and distinguished zoosexual activity from incidents involving physical injury (zoosadism). The Animal Welfare Agency gave as its opinion that current animal cruelty legislation needed updating as it was not sufficiently protecting animals from abuse, but concluded that on balance it was not appropriate to call for a ban.

Switzerland Legal. As in Germany, pornography involving animals is illegal.

United States Laws are determined at the state level. Many U.S. states explicitly outlaw sex with animals (sometimes under the term of "sodomy" or "unnatural crime against nature". Others do not.
Many U.S. state laws against "sodomy" (generally in the context of heterosexual sodomy, oral sex, anal sex and all homosexual conduct) were repealed or struck down by the courts in Lawrence v. Texas, which ruled that perceived moral disapproval on its own was an insufficient justification for banning a private act.

She did say normal and accepted, rather than "legal"

I somehow doubt in most those countries it is accepted even if legal.

Although it is a good weird fact quote.

Grrrr. Now I get where the right wing wackos make the connection between homosexuality and bestiality.

How frustrating.

Hahaha! I can't imagine ... but I do know that if I worked in LL's support group, one of the first things I would do is write a little utility to strip avatar names from hilarious chat logs, so I could post them anonymously on an obscure blog somewhere that all my coworkers mysteriously knew about ...

I'll be a cheerleader. I know some great cheers and I'll wear one of those dancing cow thingies just for the occasion.

Yeah, I was rather appalled by that as well.

hehe I was going for the laugh factor more than anything. I doubt 'donkey shows' are an accepted part of Mexican culture either, despite being a popular Tijuana tourist destination.

My personal position is, in Second Life - I think two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they like in private. By whatever, I really mean whatever.

In RL, bestiality is a complex issue, because you have to take the safety of the animal into account. So, I have issues with it in that regard. But consenting adults engaging in bizarre or deviant behavior in private? I think its wrong for any government to legislate morality amongst consenting adults.

Even though I may not share an interest in some of these strange sexual practices, it makes no difference to me what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, and when the government gets involved, its a bad thing.

While sex with a chicken might do some damage, I've yet to meet a man who would make a horse even take notice.

Unfortunately. I've met few who make Me take notice either...

For me it's not a question of "condemning" people or even 'rights" or just whether it is legal or not. It's just that some people have mental issues and fixations that when they repeat the behaviors they only reinforce whatever it is in them, that got them fixated on particular fetishes, even a liberal society considers to be crossing the line of just"kinky," or 'experimental" and becomes pathology---even if no one else is hurt by the behavior.

So it's a red flag about a person.

It is a related internal process also seen in people who do end up hurting people (or animals) and even if it is lightweight compared to real pedophilia or harmful sexual obsessions, it still can be seen to damage that person's well being and sanity and even snowball into worse behaviors leading to actual harm to self or others.

It's a fact that some people are tormented by habitual obsessions. The search for a cure or a preventative strategy, for people suffering from peculiar and damaging obsessions is not condemning them, or even laying down social mores onto them. The social ostracization is also part of it, but that is natural in the context of society. Not eveyone is going to have compassion for people with mental issues. Thats a whole other issue. Some Serial Killers it is known, often tend to start out with bizarre sexual obsessions, that snowball, so society has to be concerned with causes here and be on guard agaisnt it.

People do have to answer to a "Higher Power," of cause and effect, ie., reinforcing a obsessional behavior in these cases....not to mention having to answer to:

Yea. Hamsters Explode!!