The new neighbors...

My condolences about your friend. Sounds like a good man.



Lots of stimuli can produce stress related symptoms. The other things you describe have more to do with weak socialization and bad parenting than War Games being comparable to actual War.

Think what you want. But you aren't fooling anyone by claiming WOW is like War.

Yes, but these people can be set off by many things.

The Virginia Tech shooter was a book reader. So we should ban books??

There is no more connection between violence & video games than there was Comic Books & Juvenile Delinquency in the 50s.

A nutcase will always find a trigger in life to set them off.

Trying to pin the blame on one thing or another is really really stupid. And just too simple.

i still dont understand what point Rebecca Proudhon is trying to make with all this. Even if she was right, which shes not, so what? and? doesnt have anything to do with regulating other grown adults rp in Second Life and certainly doesnt have the first thing to do with actually topic of this thread which was blown in the dust long ago.

id apologize to Mari but the truth is every time she or another little starts one of these type of threads, the persecution ensues.

i cant stand seeing old timers, who should know better, join in on the fun and games attacking peoples rp.

each and every time, the conversation degrades into this crap, with prejudices and knee jerk judgments.

it really gets my goat

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=game-addiction


Come on. You must know that today's widespread anecdotal evidence is tomorrows, knowledge. There is so much info about it. If you care do the study. In many of these links you will also see many people justifying their game addictions. Dig a little.

The worse problems happen when younger player are involved in hardcore raiding guilds.

Even the negative reaction of bringing up game addiction brings out all kinds of hostility and denial from so many defending their addiction and how it has effected them in real life.

Similar to drug addicts burning out their neurotransmitters and unable to reuptake, the same thing can happen by making the entire reward-stimulus in the brain, center around a video game like wow. But in the most intense and long battles involving months of person's life, the habit cannot be broken just like a drug. Some young people are infact using a battle simulator and living most of their waking hours in it to the exclusion of all else.

When people are using bad drugs, they act different, they push limits, they do things they never thought they would do. Their brain chemistry is different. The same thing can occur with game addicts, especially intense wargames requiring huge time expenditures that cause a blurring of the line between reality and virtual.


Again this involves *some* not all players.

Going back to my comment said about the original topic of this thread, when it got into the fetish discussion, and to whether this is alright since this is only "pixels," I said:

"For me it's not a question of "condemning" people or even 'rights" or just whether it is legal or not. It's just that some people have mental issues and fixations that when they repeat the behaviors they only reinforce whatever it is in them, that got them fixated on particular fetishes, even a liberal society considers to be crossing the line of just"kinky," or 'experimental" and becomes pathology---even if no one else is hurt by the behavior.

So it's a red flag about a person."


ThIn the same way violence in video games may not cause problems to the normal person unless or until they go to the extreme and in some people they have no control already.

My guess is after this and her banking exchanges and other posts - she simply spends too much time thinking about WoW.

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I don't know that this thread is as bad as all that. Sure theres been some anti-bestiality comments, but theres only been a couple of posters who said outright that it should be banned. Its a bit much to think people wouldn't have opinions on such a topic.

Sounds like the advice has been given and is fairly consistent.

Mari should talk to them and ask them to not spam her land with their sex text. Seems reasonable.

If they don't then she could invite people over so they see what its like having a lot of conversation they dot want to see within earshot.

Or she can Mute all the ones she can and install a security orb and install a security fence.

Some think she should move to a PG land, but I believe she lives with an adult couple who presumably don't want to be PG between each other 24/7. Thats pretty reasonable. She is a RP kid, RP parents are pretty important to that.

All and all this thread could be a lot worse.

If this is that offensive then I apologize, but I have to say that my point is being missed and your knowledge of the research on the effect of the intense war simulation games on young people who spend every waking hour in a wargame, is incomplete.

The point of this thread was to help Mari. Maybe we should just stick to that and put the other stuff in another thread?

I don't know. You are right, but ...

I am intrigued. I don't think I have ever seen someone put that many feet in their mouth.

repeating the same thing over and over doesnt make your argument more compelling.

several people have already disagreed with you that this rare pathology merits regulating all adults rp for the entire Second Life grid. and you certainly arent offering any evidence that makes your case.

i personally dont even see a correlation between warcrack addicts and edgeplay in Second Life. i feel you are really grasping here. and the fact that you are so insistent about it. like one thing has to do with the other. i dont see it.

I have not said "wow is like war (real)" or comparing wow players to combat vets, I have said that people researching people in extreme states of exhaustion and battle fatigue from playing WOW shows similar objective brain changes in reaction to virtual battle as can be found in real battle fatigue.

I have also said this happens in *some* people not all people and I have said I have known some of these people personally and seen the meltdowns and it literally ruined their life and turned them into basketcases with serious physical problems. I;ve known a wow suicide and someone institutionalized. I am not saying they are heros as one would say about a combat vet and the insinuations spinning what I have said are absurd.

Some of you are talking like I am pinning battle decorations on their chest. I am talking about kids, for pete's sakes, who know nothing but WOW!!

right and that has absolutely nothing to do with fetishes inside Second Life. anyone can be a game addict. why target fetish groups over any other group? and what difference does any of that make anyway? being addicted to a video game isnt gonna make you go out a screw a horse.

I don't think they are talking like that. They are just saying there is no way WoW is as stressful as Warfare.

You are saying some kids who play WoW have PTSS. I wonder what the relative percentages are?

If 10% of combat soldiers get PTSS and .1% of WoW players get it, how could you say they have similar results?

Just off the top of my head I bet that a far greater percentage of women who suffer from domestic violence suffer from debilitating stress compared to kids who play WoW.


Remember you are the one who compared killing some fictitious raid boss to going to war in your exchange with Oryx

YOU are the one that started talking about game violence and relating it to the bestiality and ageplay topic.

You already have a ax to grind about defending your wargames and pixelated perverisons, so instead of trying to comprehend what I was saying, you started to flame me. And instead of actually reading what I said you spin it.

Then others come along and start attacking because I have said that people researching game violence shows objective brain changes similar to real combat fatigue in some young people.

Is it all the mad cow disease catching up with the carniovores?

I don't see how this is helpful.

When you start talking about WoW in any thread you seem to be the one who is the least reasonable. You seem almost obsessed with that game. I'd suggest quiting WoW.

Seriously.

yes youre the victim in all this.

There is no proof that correlates video game with real life violence. That is the statement i made.

Then you started foaming at the mouth about combat stress in video games and game addiction. But there is no correlation between game addiction and real life violence.

and as for combat stress, well im willing to bet thats pretty rare compared to the population of WoW, and nonexistent in Second Life unless you spent 10 hours a day in a combat sim. which, frankly, the lag would drive anyone over the edge before the combat did.

EDIT: and you couldnt make a correlation between combat stress and real life violence anyway because under the conditions youve outlined, with someone spending 10 hour sessions playing, that would be more of an indication of a underlying problem. its not healthy to spend that length of time in a video game, on a daily basis.

meanwhile back at the ranch, with the horses and chickens, the entire argument is neither here nor there because it has zero to do with fetishes inside Second Life.

you might want to rethink it before you start insulting everyones intelligence . . again.

really every time you are challenged, you fall back on insults. bad form.

See what happens if I go on holiday?

You'd be surprised. Its a battle simulator and a military game including ranks and intense training. This played mostly by young people who have been doing nothing but videogames since they were 11. To many of them they have so little perspective on real life--WOW is their life and it is scary once that sinks in. In essense they are being trained to be killing machines, complete with learning the sneakiest tactics and a reward-punishment system that literally brainwashes them.





No one that i know, has been so bold as to state a percentage who have suffered this. How many screw horses? It is still at the anecdotal stage, The estimate of how many WOW players are actually game addicted to WOW is said to be 40% of the players. These are the ones that play WOW 70 hours a week.

Honestly, for a normal adult to complete the existing "End Games" requires a good 10 hours a day of grinding, preparation and battle for a couple years. Even the study involved to master it, requires the kind of time it takes to get a college education---so another number to figure out is how many life dropouts there are playing WOW?





That is probably be true, but then "Wow Widows" (see their website) may have more info on that.

Fortunatley some of them discovered this birth control technique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJYYlHgxsu8&feature=related


Wow divorces:


http://us.i1.yimg.com/videogames.yahoo.com/feature/wedding-woes-the-dark-side-of-warcraft/1186366

http://www.rssvideonews.com/view_news_link.php?nlid=100392&p=1




I am saying that it has already been found that some people doing this intense raiding suffers from battle fatigue symptoms. Minimizing the level of intensity when a young person who is so immersed in WOW is a mistake. These are young people who do not even know the difference between real and virtual, they've been playing games so long and so much this is like all they know. Studies done on somne of these people is showing that some people's bodies do not know they aren't really fighting a 100 foot monster. The adrenaline goes through the roof. The gangled nerves become real. Do this every day for a few years and the effects can be extreme. As i said I have seen it with my own two eyes and had seen many people in a state of totally debilitating stress and burnout.

Did you ever fly a flight simulator? Did you feel your body react with that sensation of elevation, like you are really in a plane? or like looking down on the edge of the roof of a tall building? The body really does not know the difference, even when the mind knows perfectly well its not real. I don't feel that in SL, but I certainly feel it looking down from tall heights in Warcraft.

Now imagine a realistic battle simulator and imagine being in it for 10 hours or more a day.

playing any video game for 10 hours a day is unhealthy. its not the content of the video game that is the culprit.

K whatever. You sound more like you are brainwashed by WoW than making rational observations about it.

In all your posts you have been defending the rights in virtual reality to do anything you see fit since it's all just pixels and fake. You are also an admitted gamer so you must really like all these pixels. I admit I like pixels too, but I also see the human factor.

SOME people have or are prone to mental problems and some people have developed mental problems along with other real life problems spending every waking hour in a videogame with no monetary or life payoff.

Some people have gotten battle fatigue symptoms playing wow. Some have commit suicide due tio WOW events in their life. There has also ben numerous reports of constant videogaming inducing seizure. i did not invent these things and I have my own anecdotal evidence I've seen from others backing this up.

Some people are pedophiles and rapists, some are obsessed with screwing horses. These things are not normal or acceptable. Some people with these obesssions become serial killers. Being able to repeat these behaviors in Virtual reality reinforces it in these people.

Your atttiude is none of that matters its just pixels and you can't compute.

So, because a limited few cannot handle it, the entire system should be restricted to their limitations.

Is that what you're saying?

(I'll assume the answer is no, however, it is indeed the argument you are making...whether you mean to or not)

Another flame.....ok...Then you can't read and clearly have not gone to any links I posted and you don't care anyway.

If people cannot see the big picture in regards to virtual realities and young people or even adults, then thats not my fault.

So what if an estimated 40 million young people during their most important ages, hate reality so much these days they hide in the various virtual realities and the number just keeps growing? So what?

That won't effect the world of the future will it? So what if every pervert on the planet will find solace in SL?

Ya it's all just pixels and people escaping life.

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ugh.

I am saying that normal people (if there are any left) should care.

Now youre gonna insult Colette too?

we should care about what Rebecca? and by caring, what all that does that entail?





answer the question Rebecca.