The new neighbors...

For not posting, you sure post a lot Phil.

3Ring is right, if you have nothing to add to the thread, then SHUT UP!!

Don't like my attitude? Send me a PM, but allow the thread to return to helping another resident instead of your own personal whine-fest.

Appollogies to Mari. And are you getting anywhere, or still trying to get things set first?

~Jessy

That's right, Chris, but it's not how Colette put it. She accused Rebecca of being "patently ridiculous" for something she didn't actually write. The point of what she wrote was time. She said that, with all the effort, etc. it needs to complete WoW, it takes as much time as going through a college education. Colette changed that a little so that she could accuse Rebecca of being "patently ridiculous", when she wasn't. If Colette has said that the idea of WoW taking as much time to complete as a college education is ridiculous, or vice versa, it would have been ok, but she didn't do that. She invented a slant on what Rebecca wrote so that she could make the accusation.

For Marianne the kid

If it gets to much for you with these neighbours, I can offer you a little wooden hud, in a beautiful and (most times) peaceful camp near Troy. 44 drop dead gorgeous and very caring aunties come included in the package. We have no neighbours as the camp is in the deep forest where nobody else but us wants to live.

Auntie Maggie

Nooo,you can't play in the forest, too many bad oncles.

I know. But it's only in this thread. All I intended doing was telling Swan what I thought of her.

The reason this thread got hijacked and has gone on so long and so vociferously is because it is a new battleground for an old split in SL into two camps that neither side is honestly acknowledging (or in some cases perhaps not understanding).

The split is between:

!. Those who feel they have a right or duty to control what other people do even when the latter are hurting no-one else.

2. Those who feel no-one has a right, let alone a duty, to impose their decisions about what people "should," "may," or "must" do (or not do) on others who are not harming anyone.

All the rest of it - the pronouncements about psychology, the arguments about WoW, even the degeneration into name-calling - is simply tactical cut-and-thrust between these two irreconcilable points of view. Bestiality is simply the latest in a long string of apparently easy targets for "controllers" bent on establishing precedents for their approach.

Let's drop the irrelevant silliness and get to the heart of the matter, and maybe gain some understanding.

The Resident Question:

Should some people control the behavior of other people who are not harming anyone with their behavior, and if so, under what circumstances?

Now, that is an interesting question. Let's generate more light, and less heat, ok?

I just hope the Pony in question isn't yours, Har.

Either you post, or you don't. So you are back to posting it seems.



It is just pixelsex. I agree with you that much more plays in the mind, but reading a book makes things happen in the mind as well. An erotic story will even arouse most people to a certain degree, just as pixelsex does. No actual animals are involved in this particular example, only pixels making up an animal. So that makes it pixelsex.


You do have a view I suppose, because you would ban it if it were your system. Because you do not want the system to be used for such depraved activities. And there lies my biggest problem: who defines depraved? Not so long ago homosexuality was considered depraved. In a lot of coutries it still is for that matter. Anal sex is forbidden because its so depraved in some countries. Some idiot could find BDSM depraved. Actually some people find sex without being married depraved.
So I do agree with the fact that it can feed desires, but I do not think you or me are qualified to define depraved. As soon as things are illegal, it is different. Though I might disagree with a law, I would understand a ban.

Well there does live a child character next door. On the other hand, as long as there has been no conversation between her and the neighbour, we have not much to talk about But I do see a risk involved for either Mari or her neighbours, when they play out in the open.

Cheers, Marcel

One last thought: isnt it a weird place, where killing animals for whatever reason, or killing people for whatever reason, is quite normal and discussable, while putting ones appendage inside a horse is the most depraved thing possible? And again, I am not aroused by the thought either. Just in discussions like this, I cant help thinking what the average cow would choose: become a steak, or become subject to a depraved person

Hell, I don't care if its banned or not. But its pretty damn weird wanting to have pretend sex with horses.

No.
When they are not harming anyone the answer is clear. As soon as their actions disturb others, they should be addressed so people can try to work it out together. If that is impossible, file an AR so the law enforcement within SL can work it out.

Greetings Marcel

Nice one, but

Define "not harming anyone" to start with. What about "causing emotional distress" in someone, is that harming soemone or not? In RL it's a criminal ofence when done intentionally in many Countries (trolling is therefore an ofense!!!). The people which are advocating more control about behaviour had experienced "emotional distress" if not they wouldn't give a f......

So are you sure that "they are NOT harming anyone"? Or are they simply defending themselves against being harmed any further?

The NO-Control freaks, whats their motivation?

Questions questions

Maggie

P.S.: Puuh, finally I got something non wicked out of my little Gorean brain.

My answer is no. If they are harming no one else, then it is their concern, no one elses. Yes, a friend of the person will want to try to help them, perhaps help see from a different perspective, but someone not involved with the issue should stay out of it.

Much too effort I believe is spent in 'protecting people from themselves'. Nature has perfected a very good self leveling system - if the organism is damaged, it dies. But as a race, we work so hard in protecting those damaged organisms. And no, before anyone starts, I don't mean or even allude to physical or mental illinesses or birth defects.

I mean simple self destructive behavor. An illness should always be strived to be fixed, but the argument is often over what constitutes a illness. Is being a Trekkie an illiness? Is being Republican an illiness.. these are just in my perception people wanting to control the actions of another.

It is hard to find the right words to give how I perceive it, so simply I say, if they are harming no one other than their selves, leave them be. If they are a friend/loved one, then you get involved, otherwise, spend your energy helping YOUR friends/loved ones.

Also, smile more and eat chocolate - both will help the world be better! ^^

The primary word in your statement is "intentionally". But even then, a person has the ability to ignore, mute or otherwise escape from emotional distress. "Sticks and stones....." captures the attitude very well.

Personally, I would consider very few kinds of emotional distress actionable. Namely repeated actions directed toward an individual, with an exception for government employees and politicians.

General statements and actions (even if they are offensive) and those directed at groups are best ignored or ridiculed.

I am a "NO Control Freak' I proudly wear the title. My motivation is always protection of the individual and his freedoms. Group think and wanting to control someone else is alien to me.

Make sure you brush your teeth after eating all that chocolate, or else you'll lose your smile.

Weird, maybe, but it's one that's been around longer than most people think...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s_Wife

Meh... just don't eat cheese too close to bedtime.

So is this thread all settled now? Does Marianne have a game plan? It must be fairly confusing with all these back and forth posts. But I think I can sort it out.


1- Hide all your Teddy Bears, your neighbors are weird that way.

2- Don't play WoW, it rots your brains. And a college degree in WoW won't get you squat.

3- Contact your neighbors and nicely mention you can hear them prancing their ponies and wish you couldn't

4- Put up a nice kid suitable privacy fence. But not one with animal pictures.

5- If they keep it up with the public displays of Horse-Play, put up bleachers and sell tickets.

6- If none of that works, leak the fact that people have sex with horses in Second Life to Fox News.

Thankoo.



Actually, my real question was what can be done to help both parties coexist, and what rights do I have, as a landowner, to deal with those spaces where them and I overlap



I know a good resident question. It's in post one, waaay back before the morality, the WoW, an all the other stuff. Thankfully, I got a lot of good advice early in the thread, an some good feedback inworld. No response to the note I sent the neighbors, though.

Mari

group sex with octopuses .. wasn't that a Beatles song?

nah, that was just horticulture.

Shame...

...so...

When do the bleachers go up?




In all seriousness, I hope you and your neighbors can come to some kind of mutually acceptable agreement.

I think that have been phrased more like:

"Group Sex with Octopuses was the most underrated Beatles song of all time."

Slowly, she lowers the octopus to the table, then quietly reaches to the side, taking several small handfuls of rice and packing them into compact, bite sized pieces, each dotted with a small, green spot of wasabi. As the ocotpus writhes in passion, she pounces, slicing it neatly into thin slabs, the white meat a contrast to the purple inner flesh, the yin and yang of life, simple, yet philosophically complex.

Topping each bit of rice with a slice of the now deceased octopus, she looks down at her creation and reaches for the soy sauce...

No Cyber-Sushi! This is a PG forum!

I would certainly ban it if it were my system, and it would be me who decided that it's depraved. But I said that I don't have a view about the SL system. I could form a view if I gave it enough consideration though

Wait until you see what I have in mind for that tuna over there!

/me puts on his Karate Kid rising sun headband, picks up a piece of Nori and winks suggestively at Colette.