The new neighbors...

So I have new neighbors.

They have a big, goth castle out in the beachy tropical paradise of Islandia, but I'm not concerned about their preference in architecture. Instead, my concern is their subject matter. It's a place focused on BDSM and Bestiality (No, not furs - I mean prim animals you can do things with).

For myself, what they opt to do with their prims on their land is their business, not mine. I am having an issue with a couple things, though.

1. Their "stable" and some of the equipment they have out in the open on their land is <20m from my land, meaning I now have a "dead zone" where I can't go without getting to hear their activities.

2. Some of the folks going to their place just seem to love to come on over to our land, pop into our house, play on the tree outside, etc. -- and charitible as I am, I do not feel comfortable with folks doing such.

So I have to ask: what sort of options do I have here, as a land owner? Further, what would be the *right* thing to do to mitigate the situation?

Mari
(Moving is not an option)

put an orb out
land ban them all
place privecy screens up


but then again, i`m the last one to be subtle when it comes to crossing the border (in this case, land border & in to your house)

I would talk with them first and let them know your concerns, they might be quite reasonable people. I find it quite rude for people to just drop in on your private space and home, but perhaps they don't know? If talking with them doesn't solve any problems, I would put up a security on your land so the visitors can't access your space. As for the stable, again I would talk with them first but other than that, if they don't understand and won't move it a little bit more out of hearing range, I'm not sure there is much you can do there.

I think Stormy has the right idea. Most landowners in SL are reasonable. If you talk with them, they can prolly scoot the items a bit further from your land for that 20m privacy.

Of course, you may find they wish you to move/change something (doubtful, but possible), so be prepared for that. It's not a blackmail (usually) when this happens, more that you open the door to discussion when you bring it up.

As for the people popping in...I'm afraid that's part of SL. Once an area has traffic, you get people. You can put up signs, trying to keep it to a lower level, but most in SL don't read them. Sorta like RL there, heh. So ban lines, or a security orb is your best bet to kepp them out. Though a Visitor Greeter may also work. Something that let's them know you know they're there and want them to behave civily. "Welcome to my home. Please treat it as my home. Thank you." or somesuch.

Good luck, Mari
~Jessy

Hopefully some idiot (or possibly the one of Beastiality types) doesn't AR you for being a kid AV witnessing their Sexual activities.

I have been searching for land to purchase. Now I am wondering if it is more of a hassle to be a land owner. I hope you are able to get everything squared away, soon.

Don't let this situation deter you from becoming a land owner. While some people have bad experiences, there are some good ones as well. It all depends on what you are looking for in a land purchase.

Mari living on her plot since 2006, and this place being claimed recently, ought to settle who moved in who next to who

Their walls are rather low, and you can see 'equipment' right out in the open. That doesn't really seem right to me.

I thought that "rl illegal" stuff was banned in SL, and if 'cartoon child porn' can be banned then surely 'cartoon beastiality' can be too.

I thought the beastiality stuff was banned also. At least as far as keeping it completely private and not out in the open as if to advertise. (maybe its just certain groups that take exception to that and will AR the owners)


mari,
You may want to suggest to them that LL doesn't particularly care for beatiality devices out in the open and maybe that they should have some sort of "inside" stables.

Fun fact on the side - RL bestiality isn't illegal in most western nations. Spreading pictures of it around is though, at least over here. So that would definitely be a gray area in SL since no REAL bestiality is depicted.

(And yes, I do know too much weird stuff...)

Not for the same reasons - child porn is a special case, because material that just _looks like_ child pornography (even if no real child is involved) is illegal in many countries.

That doesn't apply to bestiality - real pictures of it are illegal, but "pseudo-pictures" of it aren't.

Now see this could be one of those situations where technically no one is in the wrong, but something really stupid could come from it.

Mari has every right to be a kid playing in her backyard.

Her neighbors have every right to be sexually unrestricted on their own property.

Mari is obviously in a Mature mainland sim. According to the latest stance, "broadly offensive" overrides "mature" unless(?) the "mature" parcel is marked as "adult", tho I could be incorrect about that.

So, if Mari's neighbors mark their parcel as "adult", is she allowed to AR them for their exposed sexual content? Would it help if they put up a wall even tho a recent tip of the week showed us all how to view things behind walls or that sound travels thru walls?

Without any sort of mainland zoning, what's to stop "adult" establishments from plunking down next to playgrounds that choose to reside in a sim labeled "mature"?

Should we ban sexual activities based on popular decision or should we say, you know what, building a playgrund in a sim marked "mature" was probably the wrong call in the first place?

It is Mari's right to build a playground wherever she'd like of course. But if "mature" sim owners can label their parcel "adult" (maybe not right this second but thats where its headed) and expect not to be AR'd because they are indeed following the rules...

why do I still feel like everyone's going to witch hunt the kinky pervs instead of chastising the kid for playing in an "mature" sim?

Not really how it worked -

There are actually laws in some countries that apply directly to virtual portrayals of child sex.

But mostly i think it was bad press. Since SL images aren't "real" enough to fit most of those countries legal definitions.

It wasn't directly removed because sexual ageplay is illegal IRL.

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Virtual images of bestiality on the other hand are not covered by those same laws and bad press

Mari, perhaps you and your Mom or Pop could go have a chat with the neighbors, so they can see the family dynamic you have going - I'm just concerned that some people may not take a "child" seriously, even in SL.

Mari,

There's a BDSM club next to IHOS, and they had a shouter that would greet people every time they entered the parcel. I went over and talked to the neighbor and he very kindly turned it down. I would maybe talk to your new neighbors and ask if they can a) put up a privacy wall that's higher than the current wall, b) encourage people to chat in IM, either group or private, and c) tell their guests that they are forbidden to enter your parcel. I think discussing it civilly will get a lot more done than security orbs and stuff. Like I said, my neighbor didn't even know that his shouter could be heard all the way over at my place and was more than willing to turn it down. Good luck!

[Edit: I'd encourage him to auto-give a "rules of the club" notecard upon every avatar entry into the parcel, just so people can't say they never knew.]

Im more worried they will AR Mari for just seeing the kinky stuff because she happens to be the neighbor.

In truth this shouldn't be treated any differently than if Mari used an adult AV.

But my concern is that it will be.

kid avs should be able to see all the kinky stuff adult avs can, just cant by the ageplay rules participate.

Wishing this was true for Mari's sake... but the laws in California (where LL is) may or may not have a law against bestiality. There are laws in California, USA, and internationally, against involving children real or implied, in any sexual situations. Mari has a legitimate concern, in this twisted world we live in the victim can be made to look like the culprit all too easily.

I used to run a strip club for a while it was 700 Meters up. (Dec 2006 ish long before any ageplay rules)

It had mirrored style shaded windows all around, it was in the middle of the parcel, easily 10 meters to the next parcel. The windows were heavily tinted you could only see silhouettes through them.

Some people moved in who were "parents" to 2 kid Avs they complained to my manager that their kids could see into the lapdance area from their bedroom windows.

They were about 100M lower than us in the adjacent

She messed up the whole corner of the build by making the windows 100% opaque in order to accomidate them.

I told her - they arent RL kids and promptly reverted the windows back to normal.


There is no reason on Mature parcels you should have to accomidate your neightbors just because they are kid AVs

But neither should anyone AR kid AVs for what they "see".

HUH?

Mari isnt a RL KID

Shes a great SL Kid of course .. but .. wow .. please Stop.

But...but...it's MARI!!

In all seriousness, I see your point - but talking with the neighbors can't hurt.

Hey Mari, there's an idea... maybe you could suggest that the new guy send all his stuff up to 500m or so? I mean, I know that's a hassle for him, but everyone would be happy in the long run because his people would hardly think to come down to ground level to poke around your place, and you wouldn't see or hear his activities.

Well I don't think thats a bad idea.

Not they should have to, but I've always found you get more uninterrupted sex in the sky.

Being a (SL) kid could be to your advantage here - if the neighbours get up to their silly tricks, invite a lot of your kid friends round and you can all stand in a line laughing at the naughty neighbours!

I SAID IMPLIED... GEEZ! Read what I said...please, and stop trying to be the forum police all the time, always correcting grammar, content, and thought...I also happen to side with Mari, so relax!
The last thing we need here is thought police...
BTW I have a kid alt and I am 49 years old... And I am racking my brain to help find a good solution for Mari because she is asking for advice, I may not have the answer, but someone else may, so please don’t stop thinking out loud people...please don’t stop!
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Mari I may not know you as well as others, but we have talked in the past, so we do know each other somewhat. I can relate to the kid in you as I am also relating to the kid in me; trust me when I say I am looking for a good solution, not only for you, but for me as well.