The new neighbors...

omg youre such a horrible troll just keep trying ok youll get it right.

I'm sorry, I only speak English.

Punctuation and spell check are your friends. Try them one day, you might be pleasantly surprised what an improvement in response you get to your statements when people can actually understand what you're saying.

Your plot of land, next to the 'stables', wouldn't be why you are so angry about beastiality being banned, are you?

Broccoli and Swan..you guys should get a room

Ooh yah, tell you everyting ....

as long as she doesn't looka...like a man...

or an animal or child avatar

One could do the same type of disassociating from one's behavior, by saying:

"................VICTIMIZING the atoms of a person or animal? (after all it's just atoms and void---thus just illusion and not "real" This argument has been used historically to justify murder, mayhem and other atrocities and sick behaviors.

Removing the human, social context is what sociopaths do.

grammar. im so disappointed in you. When people are having an intelligent conversation and you decide to troll a thread please at least bring more game then that ok? its tedious.

Wait: That means they're not just having sex with animals, they're having sex with CHATTING animals. Oh, dear god, no! THEY'RE HAVING SEX WITH MISTER ED!

(I'm not clued-in to the allure of bestiality, but wouldn't the need to have deep, heartfelt conversations rather defeat the purpose? )

Anyway, I suppose this comes with the Mature territory. Well, maybe not this, specifically, but sooner or later something Mature is pretty much bound to happen on the ground level of a Mature sim. So unless you're willing to cede the ground level, I'm not sure a Mature sim is an entirely comfortable place for a child AV to call home. I suppose, if the parcel were large enough to make viable a 20m wide "chat dead zone" then ground level might work, but that's a lot to cede, too.

If the problem were just the risk of the child AV being AR'd, then it's a different question, but if the real goal is to not be subjected to the content... well, I'm thinking that's why there are PG sims.

Err, at the risk of being flamed, has Mari had a chance to speak to the neighbours yet, before we all kill each other???

i understand what youre saying but its not realistic. you cant start condemning people for thoughts. its just wrong on a very basic level.

How could you beat up on a cute little doggie? What kind of person are you?

I'm sure these bestiality types didn't just learn about it when they got to SL. They were most likely attracted to it before, and find SL is the perfect platform to act out on their nasty desires, since it's free of real life repercussions. What happens though when they blur the line between reality and SL? Would you defend SL pedophiles, because the victims are on a computer screen?

Notice you missed that bit...

i already stated i wasnt interested in bestiality but since youre only here to troll this thread i guess it doesnt matter what i say does it? youre just gonna keep going and going. digging that hole.

For the record, I am a dog avatar. I don't do anything remotely sexual in SL. It does not appeal to me in the least, obviously.

If we start bringing the morality of the sex-loving anthromorphic furries into this thread, it will deteriorate even further than it already has, if that's possible.

no i wouldnt defend sl pedophiles because i think its wrong. but we arent talking about pedophiles. we arent talking about people who target rl underage children in Second Life are we? we arent talking about passing real life child porn between sl residents are we? we are talking about sexual ageplay which is banned anyway. so it doesnt really matter what anyone thinks because we didnt get a vote.

and the way things are going furries wont get a vote either, or the bdsm community or sl vampires or anyone else who the thought police persecute and start witch hunts against.

why are you so certain these people are blurring the lines of reality and sl? is it because youd have trouble keeping it all straight in your head? seems to me the only people blurring the lines of sl and real life are the ones who protest the loudest against freedom of thought and expression in this world. as if somehow magically people are just going to lose control. how insulting do you think that is to us as residents when you suggest that?

What fetish would that be considered? A vegetable and an acquatic fowl.....

Well I suppose that not only Swan can reply to these remarks, so I will give it a shot
In my opinion sex with animals is fine, as long as it doesnt come to abuse. If a male german shepherd performs his "act" with a human female, I cannot say its abuse. If a male human performs his "act" with let's say a mare, I cannot say its abuse. So as soon as the animal gets actually hurt, it is no more fine, just as beating it with a stick isn't. Again, that is my opinion. Not my taste however.

Sex with pixels is in my opinion always fine as it doesn't hurt anyone. And I don't care wether it is sex with a child AV, a furry, or an animal. Yes you read it right. If 2 adults have pixelsex and 1 of them uses a child AV I could care less. NO ONE gets harmed. If 2 adults have pixelsex and one of them is a hamster... errr mouse, I could care less. NO ONE gets harmed. In both cases, the real act would harm someone, but the pixels could care less.

Your paragraph about the money not being real is nonsense though. As long as I can get about one US$ for every 270 linden, the money is real. Very real. Does that make the pixel child AV a real child? The pixel horse AV a real horse? Not in my world.

Greetings Marcel

It troubles me when the ol' "slippery slope" argument rears its ugly head again. It's just doubly inapplicable to the sexual ageplay ban. First, that just wasn't a case of LL reacting to in-world pressure (the "broadly offensive" coinage notwithstanding): they were trying to side-step RL legal restrictions in some jurisdictions. (If the concern is that parts of the EU are backsliding towards their long traditions of intolerance, well, that's a whole different slippery slope to battle against.) And second, even if the "broadly offensive" criteria were the real motivation, it is indeed the case that most current cultures have a very strong sexual age taboo--much stronger than BDSM, bestiality, vampires, etc., so it wouldn't be all that surprising to find that specific taboo coloring people's perception of even such silliness as pixel sex. Personally, I think it's completely absurd to have to ban "sex" between avatars of any kind (whatever in hell that even means), but PR is a fairly absurd game--even more absurd than SL.

Why am I so certain people blur the lines? I watch the news - it happens more in WOW than here, because WOW is bigger and older. Not bestiality in particular, but marriages getting destroyed, people killing their children, etc. - people DO blur the lines. Not everyone does, of course, but some do. Many people have the confidence to do things in SL that they wouldn't do in Real Life - once they find they can do horrible things in SL, what's stopping the weaker minded ones from crossing the barrier into RL?

There is one important distinction here between the bestiality and ageplaying in SL. The ageplayers have to find a consenting partner. The bestiality lovers just need to find some prims. The animals are completely objectified. It gives people with these horrible impulses to abuse animals free license to do it all they want.

You feel insulted, so you attack me by saying I'd have trouble keeping it straight (not to mention your first reply to me when you were wanting to beat me up). Not an issue at all.

Of course you want to go down the slippery slope and say everything will become a witch hunt - that's doubtful. I think only things that violate laws that LL is subject to will be banned, as we've seen in the past. I don't know if bestiality violates any of those laws. If it doesn't, sadly, it will probably have to remained allowed in SL.

In my opinion this is not only a weak argument, but a very dangerous one as well. Because there will always be weaker minds that cross barriers between fantasy and real life. Wether it is a shooting because they saw a violent movie, rape because they saw CSI, or animal sex because they did a pixel dog in SL. As soon as you let that extremely small part of society dictate what is available to the majority, the end is near. Next will be: BDSM as it gives weak people the impression they can get anyone to be their slave. Combat as it will give some weak people the idea they can shoot at free will. Male appendages as it will give weaker minds the idea they can run around on the streets with their meat out of their zipper. And so on.

As a matter of fact, the only one who seems to blur the lines, is you (as far as I can read from your posts). Take this example:



People with these impulses, horrible or not, are NOT given any license to do it all they want. They can watch their avatar's pixels use a prim in the shape of a dog! Nothing more! The animals are objectified you say. Well the same can be said about every AV in SL, its nothing more then pixels for gods sake. This is SL, not RL.

Just for the arguments sake, let me try another approach: These people have those impulses, and can act them out on SL. No animal hurt. Same could even go for ageplay, if it were not forbidden.

Hope you get my point,

Marcel

i dont want to beat you up. im sure youre a very nice person and im sorry for emoting that i want to physically beat sense into you. its just very frustrating and tedious to run into this same arguments when its so obviously clear to me what is right and wrong here.

i have trouble understanding why people cant see their behavior is aggressive and selfish, based in fear. That this type of attitude you and others are expressing is very harmful to the Second Life community and creates a huge amount of derision among residents.

and so many people have spoken up time and again trying to help you understand the situation. But you just never listen and never learn. Even if you dont agree or understand what people are trying to say in these countless posts on this particular topic, surely you can understand why its becoming a source of frustration to run across the same debate every week.

It's also very frustrating and tedious for people to try and defend virtual paedophilia, beastiality and who knows what other sick stuff because "it's not real", when it's also very clear to many people that their views of 'right and wrong' are different to a small, but very vocal, group that feel they have the 'right' to behave in whatever manner they wish.

You cannot take the human out of the avatar, however much you try. What the avatar is 'in to', the human will be into, either openly or subconsciously, and when those things are sick or illegal, it would be wrong of us to just allow it to go on unchallenged lest people think that they are 'normal'.

LOL!

I have no idea...but I am sure someone somewhere will have a TOS paragraph to fit it...

Who'd be the man?

thoughts are not crimes.

i have more balls then he does and im a girl

I chose to live on a mature sim because from time to time I'm given to my own brand of colourful behaviour. I don't use a sky box because we are all adults after all and I couldn't care less who catches my bare-naked but nonetheless pixellated ass in flagrante delicto within the bounds of my own parcel. Look away, Buddy!

By the same token, I don't like my neighbours' taste in architecture: however much I tweak the Windlight sliders, more than one or two of their full-bright horticultural follies makes a joke of trying to create any kind of ambience. My neighbours very likely don't approve of my taste in architecture or how I entertain my guests. None of us can complain, however, because that is the essential SL experience: please yourself and leave others well alone.

For instance, I know that my deep, deep aversion to adults using child avatars - for whatever reason, be it innocent or nefarious - isn't logical: it is quite simply a very strong prejudice. Yet to me adults using child avatars are every bit as sick as horse-humpers: there's nothing in the least bit charming about it. Furthermore I think it's a downright imposition on the freedoms of SL when bogus child status is used to invoke a complaint like this.

Nevertheless, I have to live with the fact of these bogus children in SL, just like I have to accept security orbs, campers, ad farms and people who think fullbright trees are pretty.

All the same, putting my prejudice aside, I would strongly advise Marianne to 'grow up' on this matter. Unless there is a covenant precluding your neighbours' activities with their hilarious nag, there is little or nothing you can do about it short of asking them to tone down the chat. As for trespassers, I get regular blow-throughs of aimless visitors on my parcel everyday but I refuse to put up a security orb or close it off with 'No Entry' tape because there's too much of that sort of thing in SL already and it frankly sucks. Got an especially unpleasant sort breezing through your living room? Right-click, eject and ban the jerk. Go on. Have a laugh.

Ridiculing your neighbours for their activities, as has been suggested above, is not an option - any more than they are at liberty to ridicule you for masquerading as a tot. Either party would be guilty of griefing and should be deservedly turfed out of SL like any other sad ass who can't leave others well alone.

Moving may not be an option for you but bearing an open mind is - however heavy the burden might be.