The new neighbors...

To be fair, it is difficult to know how to deal with the "PG/mature" distinction.. a brilliant example, from a previous forum poster, is that if the SL rules applied in real life, then you could not allow your own children to enter your own house, because since you made those children in the bedroom, the house's parcel would have to be Mature.

I'm not correcting content Im disagreeing with your stated wish that Mari should be treated differently than anyone else because her AVATAR is a kid.

MY concern is she would get REPORTED for having a kid av because people (idiots) think that kid avs just seeing sex stuff is against LL policy.

Siding with Mari is besides the point. Although I cant fathom for a moment how getting kid avs officially treated like they are anything but adults will "help" them any. It will only reduce their freedom to act.

That *is* one of my concerns too, yes.

But sidestepping that Im a kid av for a moment (which seems to be what a lot of the talk is, so far) , what should any land owner do in this instance? So far, the first step is talking with the landowners, which I intend to do. Any other thoughts?

Mari

So we both agree... my concern too! I know Mari is a mature woman in RL but the idiots out there don’t know that. I know I am a mature man, but when I use my kid alt...The idiots out there don’t know that. There is a war going on, not a war of words, but a war against ignorance and prejudice. Let’s agree to do what we can to fight the good fight against willful ignorance.

Thanks for clarifying what you said Collete!

I am not sure I stated Mari should be treated different, not sure where you got that in what I said, but if you say so... I don't THINK that I said that, heck do I even know what I I said... Or was that what I THOUGHT I said, could it be that I said it without even knowing?...now this kid is confused!

anyway... (peace)... it is a touchy subject, and I admit each of us should choose every word we say, real or implied, v-e-r-y c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y as we see here...

So basically - a good question -

What would one us us who don't use kid AVs do in your same situation?

In most cases ... nothing I think.

Many would put up Privacy screens I suppose.

I never liked people who let their conversations (of any sort) "bleed" onto a neighbor's land.

Are we saying that it is impossible to limit talk in regular chat to a parcel? I mean c'mon we can put a man on the moon.....(or we used to be able to...so they say. )


This is another problem---a big and annoying one--- LL can fix it, if they realize what a priority it is....and while they are at it they can make parcels private from unrestrained camera snooping.

I don't want people watching "me," walking around the house, changing clothes planting trees or whatever and I don't want to see neighbors having sex with human powered cartoon horses whether 500meters in the air or on the ground and I don't want to hear "yells" from people arguing or doing cat calls. I also do not want to have to keep turning off group IM's without leaving the group.

Live Chat and Support Ticket for LL advice.

While we make fun of LL on this, they ~are~ the ones running the show. Talk to them and get official wording on this incident. Be sure to save all logs (there's an option to do so in Live Chat at the end). It may save you a lot of hassle with other Lindens down the line.

In a Support Ticket, I would suggest specifically asking for LL legal concile. As in how the LL Legal Deptment views your rights as a Child Avatar in reguards to being the Landowner with seniority in the sim, and "adult" builds going up on neighborng parcels. I would stress that you are not looking to have your neighbor admonished, but simply looking to protect yourself from LL dicinplary action.

I'd bring a sandwich, drink, and a good book to that Live Chat sesson, if I were you.

~Jessy

I think Jessica has some good sound advice here...much better that what could come up with! bravo!

Not certain on this because I don't own land, but am pretty sure there is some sort of command for blocking sounds from entering your parcel. That would handle one problem.

Talking to the new neighbors in a friendly way is the best first thing to try, I'm sure. A cooperative neighbor can eliminate a lot of problems better than almost anything.

For the rest, privacy screens should handle the visual problems if they are unwilling to put a barrier up themselves. Some of them can be very attractive.

Signs or the like facing their property announcing a PG kid-safe zone for your property might be a useful hint their visitors might take. For persistent trespassers, maybe a selective ban would be necessary. Whether a - boundary line delimited - security orb is workable may depend in part on how open you want your property to be to more ordinary sorts of visitors.

Some of the other suggestions here sound like good ones, too.

Good luck, Mari

The LL Legal Department won't be able to give any advice. Professionally they're not _allowed_ to - they're only retained by the corporate body of LL, and can't advise anyone else (presumably because, if they did, they could potentially give someone grounds for suing LL, thereby betraying their client)

I like Mari a lot as well And I agree that anyone who wishes to play a child should be allowed to do so. But I do not agree that others who are not interested in the role-play should be forced to respect the role of a child-player, anymore than they are forced to respect any other role-player's role. I've spoken to Mari and she's a very good and responsible child player, but there are bad guys on that side as well: there are "child trolls" who deliberately bound into not-XXX-but-not-PG conversations, knowing that the whole conversation will have to change to accommodate them. If it doesn't, they'll threaten to AR someone for carrying on the same conversation, because now it is "in front of a child".

Ideally, Mari should not have to change her behavior because of them, and they should not have to change their behavior because of her.

Which is why either she or the new neighbor changes their Z coordinates by 500 meters. Sort of sucks, but that's the easiest way around it.

I can't believe some of you are suggesting trying to reason with someone who gets an erection looking at a horse's ass.

I find it is better to start with conversation and giving reason a chance. If not, then more drastic measures are required to resolve conflict. Why judge their reason capability by their choice of sexual gratification?

The reasoning to contact the LL Legal Deptment is not for advice concering RL law. The reasoning to to get competent advice on LL's stance on matters reguarding the ToS and LL's view on what's "right" within SL.

The advice is NOT grounds for suit, due to it is ONLY advice pertaining to LL's internal Rules & Regulations (ie, the ToS and CS). Of which LL is ~required~ to provide council in the course of their buisness. This would be no different than calling up Microsoft and asking for clarification on their Terms of Service.

This is a continued issue with people confussing "law" with "rules". Understandable in this case, as any issue with children often crosses the line back and forth several times.

Again, asking LL Legal Department is ~not~ meant for clarification of the law, nor to prevent RL jurisdiction of said law. It is meant to clarify on LL's internal rules on Child Avatars in reguards to "adult" builds on neighboring parcels. Granted, LL will have to take into the fact that RL law will impact this decision, but how they enforce their own rules within SL to maintain this is up to them.

~Jessy

Mari,

If I were you, I'd make an attractive wall and gate that fits in with the theme of the area. That way, less-rude types will understand that they probably shouldn't breach a wall. And then on the occasions where people jump the wall and cause you trouble, you can just ban as needed, and not feel guilty about it because the wall was their warning.

Without seeing what it all looks like, it might be the case that people show up, and don't know where one property stops and the other begins. I know this is rarely obvious to me when I tp into an unfamiliar area.

I don't know if you're a builder. If not, I'd be glad to set it all up for you.

Clearly you've never seen my mother-in-law's husband...

He probably just imagines she is the Playmate of the Month.



People choose to be sexually attracted to animals?

Yup...contrary to popular belief they have not found a gene for bestiality...it’s a choice they made.

Who knows whether it's a choice or not, I don't know anyone personally that it is gratified by sexual encounters with animals. Perhaps that was the wrong word choice on my part, but my point was more of judging someone's reason capabilities based on sexual orientation or whatever you classify beastiality as

So if they chose to be into horse's asses, then I chose to judge them. Glad that is settled.

OH! That is a loaded a comment....LOL........a gene being responsible for choice vs genetically inclined? See, I feared this question of Connors leaning in a direction in which it shouldn't and I think your comment might just help it along.

Whether or not Graph is correct, still doesn't validate this comment. Judging someone is a choice. How can you compare judging someone to someone's sexual desires? And what does any of that have to do with their reason capabilities in the first place?

They want to have sex with horses. Obviously there is something wrong with their reasons.

Yes, I have my own opinions in regards to bestiality, and find it quite appalling, and I don't understand the draw either, but what they do is none of my business. It also doesn't mean that they are horrible people that won't be reasonable in regards to Mari's concern. They should at least be given the opportunity to be spoken to, if in fact, they are unreasonable to her concerns then Mari can take other measures to ensure her privacy.

She should put away her stuffed animals. Just in case.