The new neighbors...

Geez. I hope it falls apart quickly like most places in Second Life do.

This is the part where a good security system comes in handy. Sorry, Mari. Just wait it out, it usually doesn't take more than a month.

Marianne:
I don't think they will be around much longer. Just ignore them and they'll be gone soon. Good Luck!

You know - regardless of their choice in sexual kinks,

People should have enough respect for their neighbors not to push their sex stuff right in their faces.

It wasn't asking much for them to not have sex where the text spammed your parcel.

Only just... If I was a Linden dealing with AR's, what they are doing would certainly be classed as "broadly offensive", plus if their "unpleasant" chat can be heard on your land despite repeated requests to take it private, wouldn't be too much of a stretch to class it as "harrassment".

Nobody really wants sex talk on open chat for everyone to hear, and they need to realise that "Mature" land rating does *not* mean "anything goes".

Its not normally a problem. Most people don't want to be heard or seen having cyber-sex.

Even "exhibitionists" in SL usually only want able to be peeked at and maybe a couple overheard *moans* at most.

Evidently this place is an exception.

Give it a few weeks...if they're still there, we can start planning the bleacher schedule.

But, they ARE on a MATURE sim, and Linden Lab wants to be able to give them the option of being able to label their land as ADULT on top of that.

Mari decided to build her playground in a MATURE sim. If Linden Lab has their way and parcels are able to mark themselves as ADULT, I mean, how can it be that the incredibly stupid 'broadly offensive' policy would hold?

If I can't be broadly offensive on my ADULT parcel in a MATURE sim, what's the point of either distinction?

i don't blame you, but i also know that you have established a solid reputation here, and don't really need to defend such nonsense. just ignore.

if you're done now........

You are right. They should be allowed to be offensive. You'd just hope they had some (non-legislated) common courtesy.

But can you be courteious and broadly offensive in the same breath?

Sure. Just do it 21m away from the property line. Or keep it in IM.

sure.

20 meters to the left.

you're right Colette. this boils down to common courtesy and respect for your fellow 'man'. hopefully the neighbors will hide their acts by limiting them to indoor locations, and move to the far side to keep exposure to a minimum.

the question of how to handle explorers is a bit more complicated.

That's true I guess... Mari has shown more than enough respect and restraint in asking them nicely for their co-operation in the matter, only to apparently be ignored. I know for sure if they were my neighbours, I would be doing everything I possibly could to get rid of them and their customers using whatever means necessary.

I think at the point Mari describes I would just put up screens so I didn't have to see their sex stuff and I'd just mute everyone in their group.

I'm going to repeat my question:

If I can't be broadly offensive on my ADULT parcel in a MATURE sim, what's the point of either distinction?

If I can only be offensive within enclosed spaces, then that should be made part of the policy.

If I can only be offensive if I am no closer then 21 meters to my neighbors parcel, then that should also be made part of the policy.

You ask for common courtesy... how close is Mari's playground in relation to the property line. Is she being anymore courtesy to her neighbors then she expects them to be to her? Should they have to listen to the chatter of children while they are trying to get their kink out?

Mari's neighbors are doing nothing outside of the scope of the TOS.

Yet people want to disrupt and disturb their enjoyment of this environment because Mari is just an innocent and well-loved member of this forum and her neighbors are obviously horrible people and need to be gotten rid of "by any means necessary".

And I think that stinks.

I think people who do what they do would want some privicy, maybe what you should do is invite people to listen in on the (while on your land) and then they would move it out of chat range. It is true that people can do and build what they want on their land most people also want to be good neighbors too.

Unless LL figures out how to make it impossible to cam or 'hear' into an Adult parcel, there is no point.

But that's not the issue is it?

If someone wants to partake in these activities on their own land, at present, they can.

Even with the "adult" parcel labelling active, there doesn't appear to be any way to block out that content from unverified or non-willing neighbours.

It's the fact it can be heard OUTSIDE of their property that is the bigger problem here, and one that they do not seem to understand or want to respect the rights of others that don't want to hear it.

Mari has been on that spot for several years. This group has been there just a few weeks.

Mari is not the one who should be forced out of her land or to make major sacrifices because some bunch of newcomers have absolutely no regard for those around them.

Most likely they're behaving in this way in the hope that people around them leave so they can buy the land cheap to expand their own plot. I've seen a similar tactic from nightclubs and malls, so it stands to reason they would try it too. After all, most people wouldn't want to be next to some laggy mall or club full of camp chairs any more than they'd want an animal sex parlour next door.

But Mari isn't having sex there. So she is technically showing more common courtesy.

It really would be nice if text chat died at the property line, would solve the problem.

If i'm just Talking with my friends and realize that my chat is bleeding where a neighbor can hear I take it to IMs even if theres no sex stuff involved. Just out of courtesy.

When I lived in an apartment I tried not to talk or leave the TV on so loud that I would annoy my RL neighbor either.

Then you are still taking a stance of moral superiority (as usual) that is perhaps the most broadly offensive thing to me personally.

What if I don't want to hear the chatter of children while trying to enjoy my mature parcel. I mean, I paid money for a parcel in a mature sim forchristsake and here I am surrounded by a bunch of friggin children. Can I file an AR against the kids for being offensive to me personally because I can hear them? I don't know about you, but I can't achieve orgasm with a bunch of kids screaming outside.

To me, children are disease spreading filthy creatures who should be kept away from polite company until they turn 21. I personally find something more then a little odd about a grown adult woman calling someone in a virtual world "mommy" with or without sexual connotations, but that's just me.

To your mind, Broc, and I know a lot others, Mari has more rights because she's been there longer. But really, where does it say that anywhere in the TOS?

And if there is no point in the Mature or proposed Adult distinctions to property descriptions then this discussion is really more about morality rather then rights or policies, in which case I'll bow out to those of such obvious superior morality.

And sorry Col, but even when I lived in an apt, it turned out my neighbors always knew when I was having sex as it is also impossible for me to achieve orgasm without making a LOT of noise about it myself.

And before anyone asks, yes, I do now live on top if a mountain.

Everyone has a need to defend what they write when challenged, especially when they write false things, and Colette is no different. I realise that she is popular here, but that doesn't mean that everything she writes is correct.

You know, 3Ring, since you bring it up again, yours is the the first word in defense of Colette's error that anyone has posted, other that Colette herself. I'd assumed that everyone had realised her error and decided to stay quiet. To be honest, I actually think that Colette realised her error (any native english speaker can't miss it when it's pointed out) but, for reasons that I can only guess at, such a pride, she didn't want to admit to making a mistake. Now it seems that not everyone realised it. So, since you judge what I wrote about it as "such nonsense", I challenge you to tell me what was nonsense about what I wrote. I challenge you to show that Colette didn't alter what Rebecca said, when Colette accused Rebecca of writing something that was "patently ridiculous".

Colette altered what Rebecca wrote, and on the strength of the alteration, accused Rebecca of writing something that was "patently ridiculous". Show me that I'm wrong please. If you can show me that, I'll admit that I'm wrong, as I've done more than once in this forum. Unlike some people, I don't have a problem with being corrected when I am wrong or mistaken.

Incidentally, Colette can take all offense she likes about the bit that you quoted - "Im sorry I took offense to being told I was deceiving people" - but I didn't say that. If you'd like to check, you'll see that I said I think she intended to deceive. Just another of Colette's little changes - unless she doesn't understand the words "I think" in that context. FTI, I still think that she intended to deceive. She changed something that Rebecca wrote and, on the strength of the change, she accused Rebecca of being "patently ridiculous". If she knew what Rebecca wrote, then she intended to deceive, by changing to make it sound like Rebecca really did write something that was patently ridiculous. If she didn't quite remember what Rebecca wrote, then she's just been silly by not admitting the mistake when it was pointed out. Personally, I choose to believe the first one.

Don't anyone blame me for this - it wasn't me who brought it up again.