The new neighbors...

Yea. Hamsters Explode!!

In RL, bestiality is a complex issue, because you have to take the safety of the animal into account. So, I have issues with it in that regard. But consenting adults engaging in bizarre or deviant behavior in private? I think its wrong for any government to legislate morality amongst consenting adults.

Well the animals are incapable of consent

So I see it as pretty cut and dried in RL.

Except there are disturbed people in RL who genuinely believe the dog wanted it, or that 4 year old child was coming on to them.

Except there are disturbed people in RL who genuinely believe the dog wanted it, or that 4 year old child was coming on to them.

grammar. im so disappointed in you. When people are having an intelligent conversation and you decide to troll a thread please at least bring more game then that ok? its tedious.

Well those people mental have issues.

Which is probably why some of the posters on this thread don't think Mari's neighbors are are worth talking to.

Broccoli A TROLL! I have heard it all!

Sorry to pop in here but just wanted to correct something that keeps being repeated as fact, unless this has changed recently, and please let me know if it has, it is not illegal to produce, sell or own animated child pornography in the United States:

Quote: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court Tuesday struck down a 6-year-old law that prohibits the distribution and possession of virtual child pornography that appears to -- but does not -- depict real children.

The law had banned a range of techniques -- including computer-generated images and the use of youthful-looking adults -- which were designed to convey the impression of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct.

The 6-3 ruling says the law violates the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech.
End Quote.

In Sudan, a man who was caught having sex with a neighbor's goat was forced to marry her...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4748292.stm

For me it's not a question of "condemning" people or even 'rights" or just whether it is legal or not. It's just that some people have mental issues and fixations that when they repeat the behaviors they only reinforce whatever it is in them, that got them fixated on particular fetishes, even a liberal society considers to be crossing the line of just"kinky," or 'experimental" and becomes pathology---even if no one else is hurt by the behavior.

So it's a red flag about a person.

It is a related internal process also seen in people who do end up hurting people (or animals) and even if it is lightweight compared to real pedophilia or harmful sexual obsessions, it still can be seen to damage that person's well being and sanity and even snowball into worse behaviors leading to actual harm to self or others.

It's a fact that some people are tormented by habitual obsessions. The search for a cure or a preventative strategy, for people suffering from peculiar and damaging obsessions is not condemning them, or even laying down social mores onto them. The social ostracization is also part of it, but that is natural in the context of society. Not eveyone is going to have compassion for people with mental issues. Thats a whole other issue. Some Serial Killers it is known, often tend to start out with bizarre sexual obsessions, that snowball, so society has to be concerned with causes here and be on guard agaisnt it.

People do have to answer to a "Higher Power," of cause and effect, ie., reinforcing a obsessional behavior in these cases....not to mention having to answer to:

I wandered around that place and no one was there. Unless they get there traffic numbers up, they won't be around long.

Is it a for profit venture? What on earth are they selling? Wait. Maybe I don't want to know. If it's not for profit, they might not care about traffic.

chuck norris is weak and sadly so is your argument..

You cant just make sweeping assumptions about people like that. if what you were saying was true then every person playing wow would go postal in rl and go on a rampage. im just not buying this argument at all. .

I believe the residents of this virtual world have the intelligence and grip on reality to tell the vast difference between rp between consensual adults, as opposed to real life abuse and predatory behavior. its not a blurry line. its not a gray area. its the grand canyon. anyone who could engage in predatory behavior in rl has serious problems and Second Life didnt cause it..

EDIT: and in fact Second Life may prove a more healthy outlet for that type of pathology. i would rather see these people acting out in Second Life then in real life.

and that debate has been around as long as weve had video games. The general consensus is that there is no evidence to suggest video games lead to violence in rl, i believe that includes sexual violence. i have no reason to believe otherwise. if you can prove it i would have an open mind and might change my position on the matter.

But you cant. its purely speculatory on your part and i dont deal in speculation.

I read someowhere..on a parallell post maybe.. someone was talking about the the laws concerning child pornography and how thats illegal.

I think this is the key to all this mess.

That material was deemed to be illegal because it insighted the criminal act..it helped to facilitate crimes against children. Therefore LL had to fall in line and ban it.

I'm not for sure about this..but it makes sense to me that one of the arguments used in banning Gambling in SL was that the virtual act of gambling fed into the addiction of gambling.

Oh, so that wasn't a fetus the other day after all?

LOL

Sexual ageplay and gambling were both banned in SL for only one reason: RL laws were passed that would have put Linden Labs in danger for continuing with those.

In the case of sexual ageplay, it was the PROTECT act against virtual child pornography. In the case of gambling, it was the act prohibiting payment processors from processing payments for gambling purposes (because although that might not have directly applied to LL, it wouldn't have been pretty if PayPal had told LL that they would no longer process money for them because LL host gambling)

The reasons why the RL laws were passed is probably way beyond the scope of these fora, but the reason why they were banned on SL is entirely because of the RL laws, not because of any judgment of morality by the Lindens.

I can't stand Chuck Norris, but I sensed you were a Warcraft player and we both know where that comes from. But it was a joke and clearly not the only thing you didn't understand about what I said....

I made no "sweeping assumptions" only facts.

I never said SL "caused it" You are apparently living in dreamland to think all people in virtual worlds have "the intelligence and grip on reality."

Talk about 'sweeping assumptions."???

I don't think "healthy," is a good word for it, even if it is preferable to RL behavior in these areas. That does not negate the reality of mental issues and fetishistic fixations that are a problem for some people, that only get worse and more intractable, the more the behavior is repeated and reinforced, if they aren't dealt with.

You are mixing apples and oranges. This isn't the usual violence in media argument. It's peripherally related, but not the point I was making.

I'm not speculating about it, I am telling you that *some* people have severe, traumatic, painful and sometimes dangerous, problems with their obsessions and they get worse the more they are reinforced and sometimes these people go insane and do bad things in real life.

If it's all become pixels to you and you are disassociating, then you need to pull yourself away from the video games and do real life.

LOL how do you sense someone is a Warcraft player?

Are their poss corrupted by magical force or something - Do you use a black light?

I wonder if Swan is actually a WOW player , or if Rebecca just plays too much WOW.