My Afternoon as a Slave in Training

I sincerely doubt that I would be allowed inside the sim, but thanks anyway.

John, picture this in your mind: there is a naked woman in a cage. She is surrounded by clothed men. The person auctioning her off is saying things like she will do voice and web-cam. She is talking about wanting to use her RL and SL toys.

Can you telling me that selling sexual favors is not a part of this?

Sexual favors is not the only thing being sold here, but I would claim it is a part of it.[/QUOTE]


ok ask your self this why is she doing this?

she has sent card in with what she will and will not do not one has asked her to do this so why does she want to ?

I don't log conversations, so I don't have the log. The auctioneer might remember it.

This was the circumstances: The auctioneer said I would fall hopelessly in love with him. I emoted laughing, then said, sorry, that was involuntary. I said I bet all the girls fell in love with him and all the boys as well. Then he activated the collar thingie to discipline me.

That's what happened. And no, I don't bear any RL scars from it. It's really not a big deal. In fact, the whole incident was so far outside of my experience that I didn't even realize I had been disciplined until it was too late to react in any way.

I am saying NOTHING. Nothing ...

(Actually I agree with you in your comment that Gor can be seen as a type of BDSM, just not as a SUBSET of BDSM ... picky I know, but I realise we're on the same page with that one )

you have got to be jocking unlike you we welcome debate, i will garantee ((typo)) that you would find a warm welcome so once again i ask you to spend a little time with us before you judge us, you will be welcome at Bulls trust me on this.

Does the length of time involved differentiate between a pimp and a...slave-auctioneer?

Maybe I'm off-base here. I've always thought of a pimp as someone who sold the sexual favors of another. Maybe that's the wrong definition.

I think you need to get a grip on reality, my dear.

Said from 12 years experience RL, lots of time on the UK BDSM scene, munch organiser, IRC channel type person and generally not fannying about with rubbish about "whoredom".

Get over yourself. She's not even INTO anything, let alone a brat. You want a brat, fine, come talk to me in world sometime instead of playing Forum Warrior.

Of course, that's all you ever would see of me because you wouldn't have the skills to bring out all that is good inside me. Smiles sweetly and doesn't expect to have any such in world contact any time soon.

/me shakes my head

***edit I will also add this - I really do think it's time to call it quits in this debate. It's not showing people into the life in a very good light. Everyone who goes to a slave auction is doing so consensually - for whatever reason.

And it's precisely this morass which has evolved that made me state earlier today that I'd prefer to stay frisky ... so I am going right back to that state of mind which is where I am happiest with or without any sex. Why? Cos I know I am making him happy.

As this conversation has gone on, I've come to realize the real reason I posted this in the first place. The reason was not to criticize your lifestyle. The afternoon I spent as a slave in training was so far outside my experience that parts of it were shocking to me. I'm trying to make sense of it all. I'm expanding my horizons here, learning how you look at the world.

I don't think you are "bad" people. I wasn't comfortable with the experience, but then, it was totally different than anything I had ever experienced before. I had thought a pimp was someone who profitted from selling the sexual favors of another. By this definition, the auctioneer is a pimp. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm calling names wrongly, I apologize. This isn't RL, this is SL. Selling sexual favors here is perfectly legal.

I do object to being condemned because I didn't embrace the BDSM lifestyle.

Heck, I'm always happy to debate. If you want to debate, I'm up for it. But no collars.

Honestly, I believe this will all bring you more customers. It won't hurt your business at all.

We are all entitled to enjoy and explore on SL as we wish. We also should educate ourselves about what things are. I for one would never give my opinion on scripting language for all to comment on when I have never studied it. We all have likes and dislikes, and BDSM or Gorean Roleplay is different things to different people. At least those that do explore things like Urban Roleplay, Bdsm, Gor, or having SL babies(which I find abosolutely crazy), are exploring and learning about themselves, and their deepest inner desires or dreams. You found out you didnt like it. See it for what it was, a learning experience. But please, dont critisize, those who are different, and who do the best they can to enjoy their own experiences in their own way.

A Slave Market is but one of many facets of BDSM, and Gor. What most enjoy in these roleplays is the shift in power. To go from what you think you control to giving up all desire to control anythiing. Please notice I said "giviing up desire" not giving up the ability" to decide for yourself. The Slave Market only magnifies this for a short period of time. It gives you but a taste of what these lifestyles may or may not be to this or that particular person. Uncertainty and the all the possible unknowns is what makes it thrilling to some. This is not what BDSM or Gorean lifestyles are about. In Bdsm, it is about the mental surrender to the benefit of all parties in a safe, sane, and secure environment. It also includes massive amounts of literature and styles. I will spare you all the book....lol

The best thing about life in a free world and an SL that allows you freedoms, is the ability to choose. If you choose not to do it because you dont like it, that is your right. To say that you dont inderstand it, is also fair. Please remember, just like the TV, you can change the channel. It doesnt make you any better or any worse than those who choose to keep the channel on. If you dont like it don't do it, like anything else you dont like. Yes, you are entitled to that as we all are.

I used to run the Slave Auction Group and had many pleasant experiences and made many friends. If I was in it for the money I would still be doing it, and I would have made a lot more of it when I was doing it. I enjoyed what I did and many benefitted from my efforts, both slave and buyers as well. The good outweighed the bad 100 to 1. Like I said before, it is all different things to different people.

Ok one more point. Rose, to some people a collar is actually very highly prized and held extremely dear, as a symbol of actual commitment - sometimes alongside a wedding ring, sometimes not. Collars can mean all sorts of things.

To me personally a collar has actual meaning in SL as it would do RL. I wear mine with as much pride as I would - and will - RL, for him.

Some women enjoy the fantasy of being sold at auction.

Why does she do this?

Well, I'm not sure, but this is what I've read:
Many women are raised believing sex is bad. If they are a sex slave and must do as they are told, and they are told to have sex and enjoy it, then, by gosh, they get to have sex and enjoy it.

It's not a negative thing at all. Everyone enjoys him/herself. No one is hurt.

But not everyone enjoys this fantasy. Some people don't enjoy told they must do what they are told to do.

With coments like that, it's no small wonder you have been ripped time after time in this thread. I'm done with your foolishness. Life is too short to argue with someone so close minded and I refuse to stoop to your level any more.

Rose.. you have said repeatedly so many times and again and again ( deliberate mis-use)
That you are being attacked because you do not like the BDSM lifestyle.

I really do not think that is the case. You are entering into a debate you initiated where you have knocked,and castigated a group of people( far far larger than you may think) Because of the way they choose to live their lives.

I have re read the posts and cannot see where you are attacked because you dont like the bdsm lifestyle.

I m not so narrow minded as to attack you for what you do or do not enjoy in your life.

All i ask is that you dont attack us.

You have deliberatly used word pimp to ellicit a response. dont be upset if that rwesponse is not to your liking.

Again its got nothing to do with what you enjoy, but it has everything to do with the words you choose to write

I'm not attacking you, at least not intentionally. Honestly, I'm trying to understand why you see things as you do.

According to the definition of a cyber-pimp, I thought the auctioneer was a cyber-pimp. Perhaps this is inaccurate. Again, this was my first experience with anything like this. I'm trying to understand it. What would the auctioneer be doing differently if he were a cyber-pimp?

Again, being a pimp in SL is not a "bad" thing. It's a perfectly legitimate business.

I love sex, personally. And I revel in my sexuality wherever I am, online or off (I realise this is asking for Yosef to write something else about me like the last time )

Then again, I am not a slave.

Wish you'd just drop it Rose. You are out of your depth and there's a mob mentality going on (yeah I said it people - you are all mobbing together) but you are stoking the fire. And there's a lot of people popping the popcorn on the fire cos it's livening up a Monday night right after the end of the Olympics.

Just let it lie And for gawds sakes stop using "pimp"!

Wouldn't the pimp be renting out someone's time, as opposed the the auctioneer selling it?

Fair amount of difference there.

Additionally theres the possibility the prostitute gets to keep more money than the slave would.

At least you didn't say "Just let it die"...we all know what happens when THAT phrase is uttered.

Dolcett... *shudder*

But if the slave is "sold" for a limited time, is that different than "renting" someone's time?

Ewwwww thanks for that Oryx

In slave auctions I am aware of there is a fair problem with the Slave getting bored and letting that alt fade away.


In favor of a New Alt!

Who may or may not also become a slave.



I have also known sex slaves who used alts to basically have more than one Dom / Domme at a time.

Ok...I've read this thread,with some horror, some amusement, and lots of agitation. I think what's happening here is that Miss Rose still thinks BDSM / Master-slave == sex. It does not! That, in my mind, is like saying a marriage == sex (which it does not!). There is sex there, yes, but that may be analogous to the icing on the cake - if done right, there isn't, and doesn't need, to be much.

Yes, many noobs and assorted perverts are drawn only to the sex, but the 'true' BDSM'ers (for lack of a better word), see way beyond that, and want more.

I do not blame Master Bull, nor any of the others who run auction houses for being offended at being labelled "Pimp".. it is not accurate, nor is it justified.

Just my $0.02, but I hope it helps.


PS: I'm not Gorean, so I can't add to that part of this thread.

As I have said before, some people REALLY REALLY get off on the idea of being property, or a tradeable commodity. In the same way that some people (and how I pity them) get off on the idea that their wife MIGHT blow him ... maybe ... tho it is a bit "disgusting".

And the way the Victorians used to get off when they saw a drawing of an ankle in a medical journal.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

No one has ripped into Rose but those few too close minded that they can not see any way other than their own is right.
Even for all the debate and people choosing sides, I see no one being close minded but you. Thankfully, Rose is not so close minded as you. I do think is above trying to judge all others in the lifestyle by the arogant and self-serving dogma being spewed by you and John. Seriously loco in the cabasa, you lot. Way to many reasons for me to dispute your broken syligisms and poor logic but it's just much easier to click the profile and add to ignore.

I am sorry, Rose, for the behavior of these ... people. Don't ever let someone talk you into do doing something you do not want to do. Not in First Life nor in second. Never let yourself be a victim and never, ever, under any circumstances, have anything more to do with people like John and Bull would would love nothing better than the chance to prey upon your freas and distroy your self worth. I know the type very well. I'm sure you do as well. It is not rude to ignore them. It is never rude to protect yourself from the rude.

lol, your name is kajira, but you aren't Gorean?