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My Afternoon as a Slave in Training

Sweetlips Lupindo
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08-25-2008 15:09
Rose, i understand that BDSM is not for you, however you have enflamed a lot of people who do enjoy this lifestyle in RL as well as SL, because you criticise and condemn from a position of ignorance.

Also, Rose, you came to the sim under false pretences, was treated with respect and it grates on those of us who are here openly and honestly enjoying our lifestyle. <parp>

There are many places on SL where sex can be bought, some auction houses sell slave at hourly rates - those are the place you need to be castigating and criticising.
trevor5565 Zwanger
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isit about sex or not
08-25-2008 15:09
My opinion. for what its worth .. You keep on about selling sex and being a pimp.So by your analogy. every single dating agency in this world is run by pimps.am i correct??.
speed dating is speed pimping

Night clubs where the owners know that people hook up are all run by pimps.

In fact anyone anywhere that runs a business that actively encourages 2 people to get together could be construed as a pimp... and lets be honest its what most look for in these places..
as for me i ran a public house for many years , where many couples got together.Therefore i stand up now loud and proud.

I ARE A PIMP AND I DON'T CARE.

Actually i feel incredibly lucky that i was in that fortunate position
hurly Burleigh
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08-25-2008 15:11
As several people have previously stated BDSM is not all about sex. As a matter of fact a lot of people absolutely forbid sexual contact during BDSM scenes.

The person in question is also known to me and would suggest the last thing he is selling is sex.

However there are plenty of places in SL that openly sell sexual favours by the hour and have escorts specially employed for the purpose

Its about time people got on with their own lives and stopped poking their nose into others lives.

If you can tell me any way in which this is harming you then please do.
Its like a bad TV program. If you dont like what you see there are plenty of other programs to watch.
L1sa Miles
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I am a slave and proud of it.
08-25-2008 15:11
I have been a submissive in sl for over a year now and have been sold more than once at this paticular place. maybe when you went to "train as a slave" you didn't give it enough time to learn all that needs to be learned. Being a slave is so much more than "sex" .It also takes a submissive mind to understand it all completely. This auctioneer provides a "service" for the D/s in sl. Anyone that comes is all treated with respect. It is never shoved or pushed on to anyone, both sides are consenting adults. It may be sad for those do not get to experience the submissive lifestyle.
From: Rose Dove
I realize that isn't a question. The question is:
What was your oddest SL experience? My afternoon as a slave in training has to be the oddest I have experienced in my nearly a year on the grid.

It started when I was offering my best friend in SL some tea and sympathy after breaking up with her SL partner. She was the one to suggest, "Maybe I'll start a slave market." I picked up the idea enthusiastically, partly to take her mind off of things, partly because I was stricken with temporary insanity. But...I have no experience with the practice of slavery. My friend provided a LM to a slave market. Well...if we're thinking of opening a slave market, I had better find out what a slave market is, was my thought.

The slave market covered an entire mainland sim. It is run by a Texas photographer who found that he couldn't make a living as a photographer, but he could make quite a decent living runing a slave market. Slaves are auctioned for $L 30,000 to $L 40,000 per week. The auctioner brags that his sales have been over L$2.9 million since January.

He "modestly" claims that other people have tried to run slave markets, but that he is the best. He has experience in sales. He has over 15 years experiencein RL BDSM. He runs it as a business. He is essentially essentially running an internet porn site. He is making a living as a cyber-pimp.

I was asked if I wanted to learn to be a slave and be sold at auction. I skated around the idea of being sold at auction, but told him I wanted to learn what he could teach me. I was told to strip and wear the collar and cuffs. So began my afternoon as a slave in training. I was actually given the freedom to change the color on the collar and cuffs to anything I liked. The woman explaining them to me suggested that I "take advantage of the freedom. Slaves don't have many choices."

I was doing this out of curiosity. Why were the other people there? I IM'ed a few. One woman who was auctioned off soon after I arrived told me she wanted to find a RL master. The auctioneer advertised her as very sweet, a woman who would do voice and web-cam. I asked her if web-cam wasn't risky. She said she hoped it would help her to find a RL master.

Another woman told me she liked to hang out with the people in the slave market sim. A woman arriving, fresh from Help Island in her noob skin told me she really was into the BDSM thing.

I reached my limit when we were told to do the pole dancing with lots of emoting. I swung around te pole a few times, emoted a couple of things, and realized that this wasn't any fun at all. I've never been into the "hurts so good" sort of thing. I explained to the auctioneer that this just wasn't my thing, thanked him for the hospitality, and bid him live long and prosper before TPing out and leaving the group.
Rosie Lavochkin
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08-25-2008 15:12
From: Rose Dove

On the flip side, people who sell sex in our society are looked down on. It's our puritan heritage. Isn't the very forbidden nature of the slave auction a large part of it's allure? And no, there's nothing wrong with it.



Yes indeed they are, and I firmly believe that is one of the great wrongs of our society. Sex workers the world over are looked down upon. Now this I can speak of with great experience as one of the few women out there in RL who runs a BDSM porn site... but even THAT is fantasy in it's own way. (We don't *really* keep the model/slaves chained up in the dungeon 24 hours a day).

From: Rose Dove
I don't begin to understand why people choose BDSM in SL and certainly not in RL, but we're all different.


Even amongst the BDSM community (I can only really speak of RL as I have nearly 20 years experience there as opposed to my magnificent 6 months in SL), you'll find a hundred different kinky folks will give you a hundred different answers as to why they chose this lifestyle.
hurly Burleigh
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08-25-2008 15:14
I second what Trevor says. in fact anyone selling sexy clothing in Sl is as guilty of selling sex if that is the criteria used
Rosie Lavochkin
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08-25-2008 15:15
From: hurly Burleigh
I second what Trevor says. in fact anyone selling sexy clothing in Sl is as guilty of selling sex if that is the criteria used


Bugger.....does that make me a double pimp? I have a clothes shop too!
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 15:16
From: Stuart Markova
I would have been wrong in that statement if all BDSM was was sex.
It is not!!!!!!
You wouldn't know that as you didn't let your "curiosity" take you far enough.

For instance;

I have 4 slaves, each have different tastes in what they like, what they do that is special, what they feel about certain things.

I enjoy going and having a dance with my girls.
I enjoy discussing their day.
I enjoy being their friend and sharing my home with them.
We laugh together, we cry together.
We know each other in a way you could not phathom because you ARE LOOKING DOWN YOUR NOSE!

You see bdsm as sex only.....maybe you should read a book.



Ok, where did I say I look down my nose? Are you assuming that "looking down my nose" is implied in such things as labelilng a sim that peddles sex as what it is? Unlike the USA, there are no SL laws against buying and selling sex. It is not illegal. If you bring with you the mores you were raised with which labelled the RL pedalling of sex as wrong, that is not my fault. Why do you have a problem with calling a spade a spade?

As far as you and your four slaves go, I am sure there is much between you beyond sex. Sex is good for...a day or two? Then you have to talk to each other. However, the relationship you and the women RPing being your slaves have is a different sort of relationship than exists between a potential buyer of a slave in the slave auction sim. The key selling point there is sex. Why are the slave avies nude? Why is it insisted that they always kneel with their knees apart facing their "master"? Does the auctioneer emphasize the building skills of the slaves he is selling? This doesn't make it wrong or inferior, but don't pretend it is other than it is.
Stuart Markova
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08-25-2008 15:16
HERE HERE Trevor!!!!!!

Bravo!!!!!!!
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 15:20
From: Sweetlips Lupindo
Rose, i understand that BDSM is not for you, however you have enflamed a lot of people who do enjoy this lifestyle in RL as well as SL, because you criticise and condemn from a position of ignorance.

Also, Rose, you came to the sim under false pretences, was treated with respect and it grates on those of us who are here openly and honestly enjoying our lifestyle. <parp>


Sweet, where am I condemming and critisizing? There is nothing wrong with selling sex in SL. Ther is no law against it.

I did not come to the sim under false pretenses. I told the auctioneer that I did not wish to be sold as a slave.

I was treated with respect? Welllllll.......I was treated the same as the rest of you. By definition, a slave is NOT treated with respect.

there is nothing wrong with you enjoying your lifestyle. Are you ashamed iof your lifestyle that you must defendit so strongly?
John11011967 Karu
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08-25-2008 15:21
Yep gotta say Trevor has hit the nail on the head.
hurly Burleigh
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08-25-2008 15:22
yep rose you Brazen Hussy. I bet you sell genitals too you naughty thing you Ha Ha
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 15:27
From: trevor5565 Zwanger
My opinion. for what its worth .. You keep on about selling sex and being a pimp.So by your analogy. every single dating agency in this world is run by pimps.am i correct??.
speed dating is speed pimping

Trevor, be serious for a minute here. There IS a difference.

Consider sweetheart's, for example. At Sweetheart's, fully-dressed avs talk and sometimes go off together in pairs. I would claim that is different than a room filled with nude women pole-dancing in front of fully clothed men talking about how good the women are at emoting what they are doing with the poles.

Again, this doesn't mean it's wrong, but it is about sex.
Sweetlips Lupindo
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08-25-2008 15:27
From: Rose Dove
Ok, where did I say I look down my nose? Are you assuming that "looking down my nose" is implied in such things as labelilng a sim that peddles sex as what it is? Unlike the USA, there are no SL laws against buying and selling sex. It is not illegal. If you bring with you the mores you were raised with which labelled the RL pedalling of sex as wrong, that is not my fault. Why do you have a problem with calling a spade a spade?

As far as you and your four slaves go, I am sure there is much between you beyond sex. Sex is good for...a day or two? Then you have to talk to each other. However, the relationship you and the women RPing being your slaves have is a different sort of relationship than exists between a potential buyer of a slave in the slave auction sim. The key selling point there is sex. Why are the slave avies nude? Why is it insisted that they always kneel with their knees apart facing their "master"? Does the auctioneer emphasize the building skills of the slaves he is selling? This doesn't make it wrong or inferior, but don't pretend it is other than it is.



OK...Rose, do you have a problem with sex? You seem a lot more hung up on it than the rest of us!

The slaves are naked, facing their Master, knees apart because yes, they are stating by their position that they are sexually open and available to Him (or Her if a Domme). So what? Sex is a part of a BDSM relationship, but it is not the primary function, just as in any relationship it is a feature. When you first meet someone, the attraction is purely physical, which is why on SL we create physically appealing avatars. What is so wrong with that? It may start with sex, or sexual attraction, but it certainly doesn't end there.

Oh and my Master, Trevor, is the best publican pimp ever. I am so proud to be His!
Stuart Markova
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08-25-2008 15:29
Why men are happier than women =D:
Men Are Just Happier People-- What do you expect from such simple creatures?
Your last name stays put.
The garage is all yours.
Wedding plans take care of themselves.
Chocolate is just another snack.
You can never be pregnant.
You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park.
You can wear NO shirt to a water park.
Car mechanics tell you the truth.
The world is your urinal.
You never have to drive to another gas station restroom because this one is just too icky. You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.
Wrinkles add character.
Wedding dress $5000. Tux rental-$100.
People never stare at your chest when you're talking to them.
New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet.
One mood all the time.
Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat. Y
ou know stuff about tanks.
A five-day vacation requires only one suitcase.
You can open all your own jars.
You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness.
If someone forgets to invite you, he or she can still be your friend.
Your underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack.
Three pairs of shoes are more than enough. You almost never have strap problems in public.
You are unable to see wrinkles in your clothes..
Everything on your face stays its original color.
The same hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades.
You only have to shave your face and neck.
You can play with toys all your life.
One wallet and one pair of shoes -- one color for all seasons.
You can wear shorts no matter how your legs look.
You can 'do' your nails with a pocket knife.
You have freedom of choice concerning growing a mustache.
You can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on December 24 in 25 minutes.
No wonder men are happier.


You don't call this looking down you damn nose?
You must be thick as a brick!!!!!

If you can insult a "MAN" in bdsm my dear, you are looking down your nose.
As far as "Nadu" which is the most ommon form of slave kneel, It is a way of showing the Master loyalty. It is a voluntary submission. Submission? Well that is all part of BDSM.
It does not mean that the slave girl is disrespected. I respect my slaves more than any being I know. A hell of alot more than I respect you.
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 15:31
From: hurly Burleigh
As several people have previously stated BDSM is not all about sex. As a matter of fact a lot of people absolutely forbid sexual contact during BDSM scenes.

The person in question is also known to me and would suggest the last thing he is selling is sex.

However there are plenty of places in SL that openly sell sexual favours by the hour and have escorts specially employed for the purpose

Its about time people got on with their own lives and stopped poking their nose into others lives.

If you can tell me any way in which this is harming you then please do.
Its like a bad TV program. If you dont like what you see there are plenty of other programs to watch.


AGain, tell me that naked women pole-dancing while their skills in emoting what they are doing to the poles are praised by a group of fully clothed men is NOT about sex. Tell me that with a straight face, if you can.

It is not harming me. I never said that it was. It seems to me that a lot of people have become extremely defensive about their chosen lifestyle fo no reason at all.
Kadin Ansar
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Where to Begin?
08-25-2008 15:33
Let's see if I have this right. You went to this sim of your own free will. You lied about why you were there. You jumped into several people's IM's to investigate their lives. I personally consider that to be pestering. You continued your lie the entire time you were there. You were treated with respect, never once humiliated. You always had the welcome opportunity to depart without grief or harassment. And you choose to use your experience to degrade and ridicule the owner of the sim, the people who reside in and visit the sim, and the people of the BDSM community.

The auctioneer claims to have made L$2.9 million since January 2008. That translates to a little more than $11k USD. Half of that goes to the slaves (male and female by the way, but you seem to have missed that small detail). Pay for the sim itself every month, supply the new slaves with items to help them get started, and pay for all of the wonderful delights and entertainment on the sim leaves a total of not a whole bloody lot.

Oh yes, so much sex there. Dancing, fishing, swimming, jet skis, water slide, billiard tables, SL's version of Monoploy, music at all times, Truth or Dare, an icebreaker game and the list goes on. Yes, entirely and purely sex. (Hear the sarcasm dripping please.)

If you want to know about the BDSM community, find some honour and common sense first. It's mandatory in our culture.
L1sa Miles
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rl
08-25-2008 15:33
I just keep waiting for Master Bull to start a rl auction, I want to be the first one on the auction block. we all have choices and this is the liftstyle I choose. I love it!
Thank you MASTER BULL!
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 15:38
From: Sweetlips Lupindo
OK...Rose, do you have a problem with sex? You seem a lot more hung up on it than the rest of us!

The slaves are naked, facing their Master, knees apart because yes, they are stating by their position that they are sexually open and available to Him (or Her if a Domme). So what? Sex is a part of a BDSM relationship, but it is not the primary function, just as in any relationship it is a feature. When you first meet someone, the attraction is purely physical, which is why on SL we create physically appealing avatars. What is so wrong with that? It may start with sex, or sexual attraction, but it certainly doesn't end there.

Oh and my Master, Trevor, is the best publican pimp ever. I am so proud to be His!


No, I don't have a problem with sex.

I have a problem with people telling me that a situation that is clearly about sex is not about sex.

can you tell me that a room filled with nude pole-dancing women emoting about what they are doing to the poles is NOT about sex?

I do not believe that sex=bad. Yes, the sim is about sex. No, that doesn't make it bad.

I"m not claiming BDSM is all about sex. I am claiming that the slave auction is about sex.

You are correct that most relationships begin as physical in nature. If there is nothing but the physical, they don't last. If you have a relatinoship that has lasted, then you have a lot more betweenyou than the physical. Again, this isn't a blanket condemnation of all BDSM relationships, or a condemnation of the slave market at all.
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 15:40
From: L1sa Miles
I just keep waiting for Master Bull to start a rl auction, I want to be the first one on the auction block. we all have choices and this is the liftstyle I choose. I love it!
Thank you MASTER BULL!

It is women like L1sa that most shocked me at the slave auction. This was my first exposure to BDSM, and yes, some aspects of it shocked me.

L1sa openly wishes to find a master in RL. While I wish her every success in her chosen lifestyle, it is not the goal of anyone I had encountered up to that point.
Stuart Markova
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08-25-2008 15:41
If a slave dances naked it's because she has submitted to her Master and has allowed her Master to have control of her. It is not a sexual component it is a act of "UNSELFISH" giving.

A point of fact which you seem to know nothing of I might add.

In our world, dancing naked for your Master is a honoour not an insult.
If you wish to see true abuse....Vsit the red light district.

Noobs coming to a woman telling her....." Iwant to rape your ass good"

I tell you miss....the girls standing at red light are slaves far beyond any slave in bdsm.

They will never know what it means to have a protector,
To be shown loyalty as they show loyalty
They will never have anything that resembles respect
They will have nothing more than a head full of "ooooo I'm gonna blow""
from some noob ass hole who knows nothing of how to treat a woman.

You will never get it because you are indeed thick in the head.

I pitty you being such a moral biggot.
Cloey Dawner
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Had the pleasure of meeting the author Rose
08-25-2008 15:42
I am a slave in SL, owned by the Auction Master in question, and had the pleasure of meeting our dear author Rose, her legs spread kneeling before my Master. I also had the pleasure of watching her pole-dance and attempt to emote. In my four-plus months of being 'owned' in SL, i have had the opportunity to share knowledge, to make good friends, and to find fulfillment in a way that i cannot in my rl. My rl skills and knowledge are not only respected, but are heralded and celebrated at the sim in question. As an academician in rl, who teaches feminism, i must say that to pigeon-hole women who 'choose' to live this lifestyle is very narrow-minded, and to denigrate the men and women who accommodate the 'slaves' desires and fantasies is telling as well. As a staunch feminist who believes that women are powerful creatures, i have found liberation being owned, and found myself stretched (no pun intended) beyond what i thought i could be.

Believe me, being owned in SL is NOT about sex...and the Man i call Master in SL treats those who wish to live their Second Life in this lifestyle with respect and admiration for what they bring to the game, both slave and Owner alike. I believe that if Rose had spent a bit more time in the sim with her legs spread as they were, she might have seen the enjoyment those of us who live the lifestyle in SL experience, and would have had her mind enlightened enough to see that for most of us, Sex is not at all the point. Only someone who is focused on sex, would see sex in the beauty of nudity and the pure hearted desire to serve.
Sweetlips Lupindo
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08-25-2008 15:44
From: Rose Dove
No, I don't have a problem with sex.

I have a problem with people telling me that a situation that is clearly about sex is not about sex.

can you tell me that a room filled with nude pole-dancing women emoting about what they are doing to the poles is NOT about sex?

I do not believe that sex=bad. Yes, the sim is about sex. No, that doesn't make it bad.

I"m not claiming BDSM is all about sex. I am claiming that the slave auction is about sex.

You are correct that most relationships begin as physical in nature. If there is nothing but the physical, they don't last. If you have a relatinoship that has lasted, then you have a lot more betweenyou than the physical. Again, this isn't a blanket condemnation of all BDSM relationships, or a condemnation of the slave market at all.



I refer you to Kadin Ansar's post. There is much going on in this sim that is NOT about sex. You have chosen to highlight one aspect of this community. Slaves are sold as a business, a highly successful SL business. When you arrive in this sim, unlike many others, you are not greeted with poseballs and noobies walking around with their genitalia on display. You are greeted, often personally, with a "hello can i help you?" (sometimes by me, if you are really lucky!) and shown around the sim, the various stores, the clubs, the yacht, the auction room. You will not ANYWHERE see avatars on pose balls having pretend sex.

I repeat, this sim is not selling sex. Come back and meet with me, i'll show you around. Then i'll take you to some others sims that ARE about sex. Come on, i dare you!
trevor5565 Zwanger
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08-25-2008 15:47
From: Rose Dove
It is women like L1sa that most shocked me at the slave auction. This was my first exposure to BDSM, and yes, some aspects of it shocked me.

L1sa openly wishes to find a master in RL. While I wish her every success in her chosen lifestyle, it is not the goal of anyone I had encountered up to that point.



Ok now i'm Pissed .Isn't the right of everyone to look for what they wish where they wish.

Knock me i dont care ,But to condemn someone who wishes to find someone for a reallife relationship. sorry shallowest thing you have posted so far.if i write what i really think of that comment..Linden Labs would remove me ....think before you speak
Rosie Lavochkin
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08-25-2008 15:49
From: Rose Dove
AGain, tell me that naked women pole-dancing while their skills in emoting what they are doing to the poles are praised by a group of fully clothed men is NOT about sex. Tell me that with a straight face, if you can.


Just to set the record straight, I was there too...and Federica......and at least two other fully clothed non slave women. And yes you were all brilliant at emoting, I wish I had that skill. But I don't. And (no offense) but I didn't want to have sex with any of you :)
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