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My Afternoon as a Slave in Training

Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 18:04
From: Rose Dove
But if the slave is "sold" for a limited time, is that different than "renting" someone's time?


I wouldn't think so.


Wonder why comparing a sex slave to a prostitute in that context would illicit such a negative reaction.

Part of the sex slave concept is to liberate that person sexually ..

and there IS money involved.
Cherry Czervik
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08-25-2008 18:04
I think that's a bit harsh Yosef.
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Cherry Czervik
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08-25-2008 18:05
From: kajira Cuttita
PS: I'm not Gorean, so I can't add to that part of this thread.


OK I am gonna ask ... someone has to. Why are you called kajira then? lol
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kajira Cuttita
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08-25-2008 18:05
No.. it comes from a brain fart when I setup my AVI, and have too much invested in it to change. :(
Gilster Hax
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08-25-2008 18:06
From: Gilster Hax
We are all entitled to enjoy and explore on SL as we wish. We also should educate ourselves about what things are. I for one would never give my opinion on scripting language for all to comment on when I have never studied it. We all have likes and dislikes, and BDSM or Gorean Roleplay is different things to different people. At least those that do explore things like Urban Roleplay, Bdsm, Gor, or having SL babies(which I find abosolutely crazy), are exploring and learning about themselves, and their deepest inner desires or dreams. You found out you didnt like it. See it for what it was, a learning experience. But please, dont critisize, those who are different, and who do the best they can to enjoy their own experiences in their own way.

A Slave Market is but one of many facets of BDSM, and Gor. What most enjoy in these roleplays is the shift in power. To go from what you think you control to giving up all desire to control anythiing. Please notice I said "giviing up desire" not giving up the ability" to decide for yourself. The Slave Market only magnifies this for a short period of time. It gives you but a taste of what these lifestyles may or may not be to this or that particular person. Uncertainty and the all the possible unknowns is what makes it thrilling to some. This is not what BDSM or Gorean lifestyles are about. In Bdsm, it is about the mental surrender to the benefit of all parties in a safe, sane, and secure environment. It also includes massive amounts of literature and styles. I will spare you all the book....lol

The best thing about life in a free world and an SL that allows you freedoms, is the ability to choose. If you choose not to do it because you dont like it, that is your right. To say that you dont inderstand it, is also fair. Please remember, just like the TV, you can change the channel. It doesnt make you any better or any worse than those who choose to keep the channel on. If you dont like it don't do it, like anything else you dont like. Yes, you are entitled to that as we all are.

I used to run the Slave Auction Group and had many pleasant experiences and made many friends. If I was in it for the money I would still be doing it, and I would have made a lot more of it when I was doing it. I enjoyed what I did and many benefitted from my efforts, both slave and buyers as well. The good outweighed the bad 100 to 1. Like I said before, it is all different things to different people.


Damn! That was said Gilster..........LMAO!
Cherry Czervik
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08-25-2008 18:07
Awwww

Much like my name which alliterates if you pronounce it properly. Not Cherry Cervix. Sigh.
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Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 18:09
From: Cherry Czervik
Awwww

Much like my name which alliterates if you pronounce it properly. Not Cherry Cervix. Sigh.


They really need to add some way for people to change their names ..

Maybe for a small fee.

Theres so many people who would benefit from it

(not that there is anything wrong with your name, Cherry-- I always figured it was pronounced a bit like Ceasarvik)
Rose Dove
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08-25-2008 18:10
From: kajira Cuttita
Ok...I've read this thread,with some horror, some amusement, and lots of agitation. I think what's happening here is that Miss Rose still thinks BDSM / Master-slave == sex. It does not! That, in my mind, is like saying a marriage == sex (which it does not!). There is sex there, yes, but that may be analogous to the icing on the cake - if done right, there isn't, and doesn't need, to be much.

Yes, many noobs and assorted perverts are drawn only to the sex, but the 'true' BDSM'ers (for lack of a better word), see way beyond that, and want more.

I do not blame Master Bull, nor any of the others who run auction houses for being offended at being labelled "Pimp".. it is not accurate, nor is it justified.

Just my $0.02, but I hope it helps.


PS: I'm not Gorean, so I can't add to that part of this thread.


So....what you're saying is that the sex part of the slave auction is less than it appears to be at first? Maybe that's the issue here.

When you first enter the sim, it's hard to miss all those naked women in collars and cuffs, and sex seems to be what is on sale there. Perhaps it is the idea of "owning" the slave that is really the point of it all? In that case, perhaps pimp is the wrong concept here.

As a person seeing the sim for the first time, it looked to me like "sex for sale" but to the people who are accustomed to the lifestyle, sex is only a small part of what is for sale. This all is actually is starting to make sense. So the slave auction people are objecting to the use of the word "pimp" because to them, it is about the master-slave thing primarily. I think I get it!!

See? I'm really not clueless as a rock. Sometimes it's hard for me to see around the words to the meaning behind them if it feels like I'm being attacked.
Gilster Hax
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08-25-2008 18:14
From: Rose Dove
So....what you're saying is that the sex part of the slave auction is less than it appears to be at first? Maybe that's the issue here.

When you first enter the sim, it's hard to miss all those naked women in collars and cuffs, and sex seems to be what is on sale there. Perhaps it is the idea of "owning" the slave that is really the point of it all? In that case, perhaps pimp is the wrong concept here.

As a person seeing the sim for the first time, it looked to me like "sex for sale" but to the people who are accustomed to the lifestyle, sex is only a small part of what is for sale. This all is actually is starting to make sense. So the slave auction people are objecting to the use of the word "pimp" because to them, it is about the master-slave thing primarily. I think I get it!!

See? I'm really not clueless as a rock. Sometimes it's hard for me to see around the words to the meaning behind them if it feels like I'm being attacked.



Well I for one do not object to the word Pimp. Bottom line a slave auctioneer has many pimp qualities. The BIG difference is that the auctioneer has to give money to the slave. I know of no self respecting pimp who gives his whores money.
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08-25-2008 18:16
From: Gilster Hax
Well I for one do not object to the word Pimp. Bottom line a slave auctioneer has many pimp qualities. The BIG difference is that the auctioneer has to give money to the slave. I know of no self respecting pimp who gives his whores money.



umm....guess I don't know much about pimps and whores. I thought pimps only got a cut of things.
Cherry Czervik
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08-25-2008 18:17
From: Colette Meiji
They really need to add some way for people to change their names ..

Maybe for a small fee.

Theres so many people who would benefit from it

(not that there is anything wrong with your name, Cherry-- I always figured it was pronounced a bit like Ceasarvik)


I wish I could change it to Slade. Lol.
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kajira Cuttita
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08-25-2008 18:18
From: Rose Dove
So....what you're saying is that the sex part of the slave auction is less than it appears to be at first? Maybe that's the issue here.

When you first enter the sim, it's hard to miss all those naked women in collars and cuffs, and sex seems to be what is on sale there. Perhaps it is the idea of "owning" the slave that is really the point of it all? In that case, perhaps pimp is the wrong concept here.

As a person seeing the sim for the first time, it looked to me like "sex for sale" but to the people who are accustomed to the lifestyle, sex is only a small part of what is for sale. This all is actually is starting to make sense. So the slave auction people are objecting to the use of the word "pimp" because to them, it is about the master-slave thing primarily. I think I get it!!

See? I'm really not clueless as a rock. Sometimes it's hard for me to see around the words to the meaning behind them if it feels like I'm being attacked.


Miss Rose,

From my point of view, I'd say you're on to the point. The nudity is more about the submission, about being open, and controlled. The Nadu, about having no secrets from your Master/Mistress, about being totally His or Hers.

Perhaps another way to look at it, would be to accuse Naturists/Nudists of being wild-eyed sex fiends...

I hope this helps.
Gilster Hax
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08-25-2008 18:21
From: Rose Dove
umm....guess I don't know much about pimps and whores. I thought pimps only got a cut of things.


Pimpology 1101:

The Pimp gets all the money.
Cherry Czervik
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08-25-2008 18:23
From: kajira Cuttita
Miss Rose,

From my point of view, I'd say you're on to the point. The nudity is more about the submission, about being open, and controlled. The Nadu, about having no secrets from your Master/Mistress, about being totally His or Hers.

Perhaps another way to look at it, would be to accuse Naturists/Nudists of being wild-eyed sex fiends...

I hope this helps.


I know a fair few naturists. None of them are sex fiends wild eyed or otherwise but most of them do like real ale and/or organic lamb.

Rose, whilst the terminology of Nadu means nothing to me, I have to agree with kajira here. Totally. It's meant to be a trust thing, giving is to and fro.

BTW Trevor, if you are reading this thread still, congrats on your RL getting together. I don't think it's 100% sure that the ONLY way you'd have met was through a slave auction, you never know what other circumstances you meet through, but clearly it was kismet and the best of luck to you both.
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Gilster Hax
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08-25-2008 18:25
From: kajira Cuttita
Miss Rose,

From my point of view, I'd say you're on to the point. The nudity is more about the submission, about being open, and controlled. The Nadu, about having no secrets from your Master/Mistress, about being totally His or Hers.

Perhaps another way to look at it, would be to accuse Naturists/Nudists of being wild-eyed sex fiends...

I hope this helps.


I think this is the best comment on this thread. That is a perfect analogy. Well said.
Colette Meiji
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08-25-2008 18:27
From: Rose Dove
So....what you're saying is that the sex part of the slave auction is less than it appears to be at first? Maybe that's the issue here.

When you first enter the sim, it's hard to miss all those naked women in collars and cuffs, and sex seems to be what is on sale there. Perhaps it is the idea of "owning" the slave that is really the point of it all? In that case, perhaps pimp is the wrong concept here.

As a person seeing the sim for the first time, it looked to me like "sex for sale" but to the people who are accustomed to the lifestyle, sex is only a small part of what is for sale. This all is actually is starting to make sense. So the slave auction people are objecting to the use of the word "pimp" because to them, it is about the master-slave thing primarily. I think I get it!!

See? I'm really not clueless as a rock. Sometimes it's hard for me to see around the words to the meaning behind them if it feels like I'm being attacked.


There is often a lot less sex involved with being a sex slave than people think. Often to the disappointment of that Slave (though not always)

Still prostitution isn't always about sex, either.
Yosef Okelly
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08-25-2008 18:30
From: Cherry Czervik
I think that's a bit harsh Yosef.

Sorry ... old RL problems can really get me ticked at times. But I know a preditor when I see one. "How do you know you don't like drugs until you try it?" It's the same thing. Been through this before and have the jail time to prove it but by god that dicklees bastard knows what "NO" means now.
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08-25-2008 18:31
From: Cherry Czervik
OK I am gonna ask ... someone has to. Why are you called kajira then? lol


Ummmm...yeah why that name over all others?
Cherry Czervik
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08-25-2008 18:32
From: Yosef Okelly
Sorry ... old RL problems can really get me ticked at times. But I know a preditor when I see one. "How do you know you don't like drugs until you try it?" It's the same thing. Been through this before and have the jail time to prove it but by god that dicklees bastard knows what "NO" means now.


/me takes Yosef aside away from the debate and places him in front of a nice tranquil sunset ...
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kajira Cuttita
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08-25-2008 18:33
Honestly, Glister Sir, I was looking for Kira Narese from DS9.
Ann Launay
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08-25-2008 18:33
From: Desmond Shang

The whole thing just scares me and feels wrong on many levels. I'll stick to vast tracts of land instead, thank you.

Aw, that's too bad...I might be willing to participate if you were running one. ;)
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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Yosef Okelly
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08-25-2008 18:35
From: Gilster Hax
Pimpology 1101:

The Pimp gets all the money.

I got 20 bucks to sit in the car and look mean. I have no idea how much BJ made or how much she usually gave her pimp.
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08-25-2008 18:35
From: kajira Cuttita
Honestly, Glister Sir, I was looking for Kira Narese from DS9.


Hahahaha! The sad part is I know exactly who that is...lol
Yosef Okelly
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08-25-2008 18:37
From: Cherry Czervik
/me takes Yosef aside away from the debate and places him in front of a nice tranquil sunset ...

OK, I'm going. Thanks, by the way, for helping me out of here. Some places are just not helty to hang around.
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08-25-2008 18:48
Personally I have to say I don't mind in the least being labeled a pimp. You should see what I've got tattoo'd on my back in RL ;)

I am, however, intrigued by phrases like "a Texan photographer who found he couldn't make a living as a photographer but could make quite a decent living running a slave market"

Let's just look at that statement, and from further on I gather "So the SL cyber pimp has made between L$1.45 million and L$0.87 million since January? Wow!!! I guess this is big business. He's making enough to live comfortably. I'm sure it's more money than he has ever made in his seedy life prior to being a cyber-pimp."

Three caveats here. 1) I am a pimp, not a mathmetician. When I run out fingers and toes to count on I get stuck. 2) I'm assuming the higher and therefore more impressive income figure and 3) I appreciate that it is rude to publicly dissect someone's finances but the guy in question said it was OK to do so.

L$1.45m is the equivalent of roughly US$5225 since January. He has a SIM so since January that has cost US$1560 in land tiers, leaving US$3665 profit since January. U$458.13 per month.

I'm not feeling this comfortable living vibe here.
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