Sex in SL lets see what the majority is

This paragraph in itself is an example of intellectual dishonesty. I accuse you of intellectual dishonesty because you resort to wild accusations of persecution rather than just engage in a civil discussion about the topic at hand, which is whether a person's involvement with sex in SL is an accurate reflection of their *opinions* on the matter. I (and others here) maintain that it is not.


I think I see the problem here - you seem to be under the impression that what you've been repeating over and over is fact (that what people do shows what they think, end of story) when it's nothing more than your OPINION.

Methinks this poll and thread did not go the way the OP thought/hoped it would, and he is trying to find a way to pretend it did, or else to obfuscate. : )

I didnt personally attack you. When I do, it will be plainly obvious.

I called your poll intentionally misrepresented becuase:
- The question on the poll does not match the availible responses.
-The verbage of your opening post points to opinions where the poll choices do not.
- You have chosen to interpret what those responses mean whithout any logical basis.
- When that was pointed out you called those who disagreed with you flamers.

My vote is meaningless if you feel free to read into the answers what you wish.



Me saying a Poll that is obviously flawed in its implentation is "Intentionally misrepressented" not only doesnt violate forum rules - it certainly isnt an affront to human decency.

It may be an affront to your Poll. Thats Life, design the next one better and dont editorialize the results.



But you did push your opinion - You did that the moment you decided what the motivation behind why people chose "rarely" was.



I disagreed with your statement the Majority are against SL sex and your reasons behind saying such. Your poll gives no evidence of that. You decided it did, when I said otherwise you accused me (and others) of flaming. If you want your statements to be beyond the comments of others , then get a blog and post there.



Yes but we all arent reading into the results things that arent there. Only you are.



Of course I can

My opinion differs from my actions;
The two are not innately related.

I should also point out that you, Jackson, are the one instigating personal attacks.

My first post:


No personal attacks there. I stated my opinion and that I found the unspoken assumptions in the poll to be disturbing.

You chose to respond by psychoanalyzing and devaluing me (and therefore devaluing my opinions) rather than just respond to my points:
(emphasis mine)


...And in that last bit, you expressed an opinion, which you later denied.

Comparing SL sex which is free, to the frequency of your lobster dinners, is comparing apples to Brazil, just no common ground with the two, compariong it to communion atr church, well you dont dictate when communion is held, so its irrelevant. We can all make parables that can refute anything said for the sake of argument. But the point is this.. I read on another forum thread that people where concerned that they didnt know who the "community" was.

This poll wasnt meant to mislead, or misrepresent anything, unlike a few posters here have crusaded on. it was merely to get a idea of what the forum readers actions in SL are and derive where our community stood on sex in SL.. unfortunately you have these greifers, and conspiracy theorist that pop up on every thread trying to....

a) make war.
b) show everyone else how pious they are
c) state thier opinion even if it isnt thier opinion but have got to sound off as against the grain on everything
d) foul up any type of discussion just because they have some kind of social disorder

And again with the personal attacks while claiming you're the one who's being attacked. *shakes head*

HEY! Leave voice chat out of this!

HAHAHA this is hilarious because I said that the poll results where a good indication of the communities feelings, I have made my opinion, I see, so what my opinion was on wasnt the way i feel about SL sex, but rather my opinion on the results... I see. wow you should be a trial lawyer. good way of twisting things around. when I was saying I hadnt voiced my opinion I was talking about sex in SL, but you knew that, you just couldnt help yourself to throw out a little propganda could you

Isn't this like the 6th time this exact poll has been done in the SL forums over the years?

And doesn't it usually come down to "mind your own damn business and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing?"

Huh?

Several of us have tried to spell that out for you in very simple language over several comments, and because you're just NOW getting it, you accuse us of twisting things? Bwahaha!

I tend to agree with alot of opinions posted here (esp Annie & Chris) ... well except for the opinion of the OP, so I won't make a long repetitive post. I'm also a private person about some things... but

Why is there no choice between rarely and frequently? Do you really think everything is that cut and dried?

Good SL/cyber sex goes beyond the use of poseballs. Poseballs are just the prop. tbh, we get more use and enjoyment from couples walking devices, slow dances and cuddle poses while we actually communicate with each other.

Just because I might not do it on a poseball frequently, doesn't mean that I'm against others doing it or that I want to lose that right if I should desire to do such a thing in the privacy of my SL home with my significant other at any given time.

I think you should have the freedom to do what you want in your SL home or theme oriented sim. Live and let live.

PS - I didn't even bother to answer your poll because there was no suitable answer for me to choose anyway, as I'm sure a lot of others didn't either, so don't presume anything about the votes you're tallying.

How so? Some times ones oppinion is not as black and white as you think. Just because some one chooses not to do something does not mean they do not agree with it, and even if they do it still does not mean they will not tolerate it. My oppinions tend to be rather complicated and situation specific, what I may feel exceptable in one instance may be unexceptable in another by some variable.

My not engaging in these activities is more a reflection of my priorities than my agreement or disagreement with them. It has always been my oppinion that sex belongs behind closed doors, be it confined to one residence, to establishments of like minded people, or secluded romantic spots where it will not bother others that are more shy of the subject. I personally wish to be involved with one woman, and one woman only, should we then choose to use SL sex to live out sexual fantasies to spice up our love life, then we will do so. As I do not have that hypothetical woman yet I will have to stick to keeping my eyes open for that special some one, and keeping my fantasies in my head where frankly the graphic are a lot better, and smells to!

Then don't assume that because someone is posting here means they are not speaking up about things in the real world. Don't judge what someone is or is not doing then ask that they refrain from using the same judgement against you.

...but this is like protesting that some of the turtles in Super Mario can fly and that makes it harder for you to be an Italian plumber. It's trivial and not worth getting as worked up as a lot of people get on these forums. That energy could be better spent elsewhere.

Maybe I refuse to see that I live in a world where "don't buy gas for a day" and "don't shop at Wal-Mart" is considered activism.

How can something which can have an emotional cost be free? If you are talking about two noobs on a pose ball, well I might agree with you. But I have been in a relationship in SL in which real happiness was felt, real joy, real tears have been cried. Real care and concern has been given. Don't tell me all sex in SL is free.

As for dictating communion, well I believe in the priesthood of the believer, so I could partake every day if I so chose.

As far as the comments your thread has gathered, i have seen honest disagreement, but no griefing. As far as conspiracy theories go, I do admit to wearing my tinfoil hat, but I don't want to hear the same voices that plague Collette.

What's funny is that with all this angry debate/arguement we see the "never had sex in SL" section being the majority...and I would venture to say it's a bigger majority SL-wide considering how many popular places DON'T involve sexual themes.

And by popular I mean places like Cubey Terra's store and others that get high numbers WITHOUT camping or other tricks.

Not on my screen. It's running neck and neck with frequent, you throw in the rarely and the sex addicts and never had sex is very much the minority.

Although I would agree that the majority of people don't engage in SL sex, many users set up shop and leave the vendors to it and so don't frequent the forums.

Yes, my feeling is the percentage of SLirgins is probably higher on the forums then in the normal population.

I'd have to disagree. The creative crowd in SL generally frown on active SL sex...if anything it's a joke or prank played.

There are a lot of these people who would rather build aircraft, weapons and elaborate builds than get their pose on.

I'm on Squeezeone Pow's side here, I feel the majority of residents are SLirgins (lol that makes me laugh). However regulars on the forum probably aren't. The vast majority of people don't come here. No pun intended!

Oh, really? I beg to differ, pointing at the sheer number of clothing designers, pose and animation creators and builders who specialize in creating "adult" material.

YOUR definition of creativity may differ substantially from mine. And mine is most likely much more broad.

And for many, creative RP in an adult-themed sim is a bit more than a "joke or a prank played", it's an immersive collaborative environment that is, more times than not, much more detailed and richly-textured than any cluttered mainland sim.

But, then again, I guess I'm not one of the "creative crowd". Apparently designing, building and landscaping my own parcel to be part of a larger, collaborative RP effort just doesn't count.

Hm. I think people that enjoy cybering just naturally spend less time in the forums or creating.

For those of us that aren't into cybering, we need to find other ways to get our jollies.

Whats to disagree? - a higher percentage of content creators are here on the forums. Therefore even if more content creators dont engage in sex, how does that argue against my point one iota?

Dont think a higher percentage of content creators visit the forums? consider for a moment how many regular posters own businesses.

And compare that to the average population. The percentage of people making money in SL is relatively small. The percentage who make money amoung forums goers is higher.

My statement was more people percentage wise on the forums dont engage in sex compared to the "real" second life world.

The joke coments you made is your personal bias showing.

SL sex is just roleplay that facilitates mental and emotional intimacy. That is, if you actually care about the other av and the person behind it.

Purchased sex, anonymous sex, all the other less personal forms - it's just interactive porn. I can't believe how people get off on seeing just an image, and (sometimes badly) pixellated one at that (think noob skin and off-colored stiffies).

I think the poll shows one very important fact, that the people who have SL sex are not an insignificant minority, as the moralists would have you believe.

Actually the moralists who decry SL sex are probably the minority. There are probably a fair percentage of people who would try it if not for one or more factors (being married RL and feeling it would be cheating, being asexual, a lack of RL privacy). Many of these would probably have sex if the situation was different.

The largest part of the 'SLirgins' are people who have no problem with others partaking.

As far as creativity goes, there is an erotic component to writing, visual arts, music. The truly creative, those who have delved deep into their psyches for personal enlightenment are comfortable with their sexuality and would view SL as a place for exploration.

Like most cliches, the idea of SL sex as two barely literate, emotionally retarded pervs is simply wrong.