Sex in SL lets see what the majority is

lets see what the real majority thinks

I dont take part in it but I have no problem with those that do

You won't get a representative view here because only a small fraction of the community post, and many of those that agree with the new Linden policy are afraid to stand up and say so because of the abuse they'll get either in-world or on here.

Having said that, my only criticism of the new policy is that it should have been introduced several years ago, before SL got so big and some of the things now considered inappropriate material became so widespread.

I think the biggest problem to most people is the realisation that a) first amendment rights do not apply in SL, b) 70% of the playerbase are not bound by the US constitution in real life, and c) Linden Lab can do whatever they like, at any time, for any reason, without notice, and there isn't diddle we can do about it.

Broccoli

Early on LL sacrificed thier Vision of a business platform for the popularity of a world wher sexual fantasies can be lived out, but the problem is now, sexual activities are so prevailant in SL that business is hindered by the noob with the prim penis flying into a business meeting and generally doing what noobs do.
If LL is going to realize thier vision of what SL will be, then the sex has to be separated from the business world. not saying it should be outlawed, but definately separated, maybe a new 3rd gird Teen grid, Main grid and Adult grid

"Customer satisfaction" however is a universal law that even the Lindens cannot ignore.

Perhaps then under the new guidelines of "adult content" rating, and having to verify to access them, then everything that is of an adult nature is safely tucked away and easily identifiable, and then the business meetings (and those of us who have no interest in pixel porn) can get by happily without being bothered - and report those places and people that choose to ignore the need to comply with the change.

I'm not sure if "sacrificed their vision" is really true, after all they haven't exactly been proactive in dealing with abuse reports and inappropriate behaviour properly up until now; and that it's only now that things have gotten out of hand that they're forced into having to do something about it in order to save Second Life.

Broccoli

They haven't done a bad job of ignoring it so far...

Broccoli

Let's see what we have here. A company has the idea to create a world where the users can create everything they want and even script their work to achieve any possible behaviour. Hm... what will a bunch of homo sapiens, most of them of rather young age (i.e in the first half of their life) and therefore sexually hyperactive, possibly create, keeping in mind that sex is and has always been the top priority of our genetic program? What else could possibly be the result than a semen-stained world full of obscenities?

That's exactly how the regular internet started out too. And even when people started to discover it for business purposes, it turned out that respectable business can coexist with obscenity and perversions of all sorts. There's no need to separate these two things, other than by sim borders. And who says that sex isn't a business too? It's the oldest and most needed business I can think of. And in SL it's certainly the business #1, the business that pays LL's wages.

The new age / ID verification in combination with a new "porn zone" land flag was meant to provide the separation between business #1 and the minor businesses. So, why this sudden knee-jerk reaction? I totally fail to understand it.

Lol the whole idea of having virtual sex seems absurd to me. I would have thought the entire fundamental of sex is it's something that involves the body, not just the fingertips making contact with a keyboard.

Uhm, usually the fingertips get in contact with other things as well. But you're right, it isn't sex. And virtual violence isn't violence, otherwise every Counterstrike player is a mass murderer. It's just an interactive cartoon. If cartoon artists have their characters drop anvils on each other's heads, a Dom should be allowed to spank a sub in an adult-rated cartoon world.

Well said, but I fear anvils & Coyote AV's are also doomed in this soon to be 20-30yo Human AV's only world........

The reason SL works is all about suspension of disbelief.

When you go to the movies, you sit in your seat knowing that the people you see on screen are actors, getting paid for acting a part, that behind the camera is a director, that a writer has written the words they are saying, and there is no orchestra behind the bush, that's a soundtrack. You can still cry, laugh, be shocked, be terrified, you feel your heart pound, you root for the hero, you weep for the victim... You suspend your disbelief, and enter into the story.

You do this willingly. You even pay for it. It feels good.

SL is simply another form of suspension of disbelief. It feels good. You do the things in SL that feel good.

I buy a dress because it feels good to have my avatar wear a nice dress. I have a home because it feels good to have a home.

Sex on SL is the same. The brain is the most effective erogenous zone. If your mind isnt engaged in real life sex, the fingers wont do a bit of good, no matter how skilled you are with them. If your mind isnt engaged in SL sex then pixels on the screen wont turn you on. ITs not about fingers on a keyboard. None of it is about that. If it was, i might as well sit here typing out the telephone directory.

SL is about the mind, and the effect it has on the person looking at it. That is why we are all here, and why SL works. If it didnt feel good, we wouldnt do it.


I can choose to suspend my disbelief. I dont have to look at anything i dont want to, and if i see it, i dont have to let my brain engage. I am a grownup. Its a long time since i hid behind the sofa from the Daleks.

Interesting poll results, very polarised.

Personally I am bored silly with various SL sex things. Been there - seen it (mainly ... never got chance to do it for booting out griefers).

It's all the same. Even if something new comes out it is everywhere within a few weeks as everyone tries to be different. Sad indictment on me that I can walk around and know where each piece of equipment came from, who made the poseballs and probably how much it cost. LOL.

I wouldn't be so sure about that... there's been some rather worrying developments in the Bragg vs Linden court case over the last 48 hours.

http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/05/unconscionable_.html

I'm all for the Lindens cracking down on kiddie porn and the wacko pervs who participate and promote the drek...

But sex sells. A lot of L$ and real world dollars are at sake. So no one should even dream that leagal sex will ever go away...

If the Lindens should falter some one else will create a site which caters to peeople's desire to have virtual sex.

What galls me most about SL is how every thing, from protected areas, the spam banning, and crusades against sex are older members trying to protect their markets and assests from Newbies with a dream...

I, new, an Sl skateboarder and budding SL pornographer.!visit the PG Sims...I mean ...how much ballroom dancing can you people take?

I'm not so sure this is the same thing. Claiming your assets are yours then seizing them for any or no reason is not really equal to banning certain activities because they are considered morally questionable.

I agree that the ToS is a complete mess - but I think the Bragg case is rather more of a small-time lawyer trying to make a name for himself than anything else, to be honest. After all, if it was merely a matter of trying to get his "investment" back, wouldn't he have settled out of court for a sum of money?

Broccoli

As I stated in another thread, SL is not a game, rather a form of communication.

Sex is also a form of communication--be it real or virtual. For those who doubt this, I would suggest a little experiment. If you have access to two computers, try having sex between your main account and an alt (you, of course controlling both). Then try it with another SL member--an escort will do. You will notice a profound difference between the two experiences. The first will simply be masturbation. The second, knowing another person is involved makes a real difference.

This may have been an excursion into the land of Too Much Information. And there may be some who are so egotistical that any sex to them is nothing more than masturbation. But for us who do care that we are communicating with actual human beings, sex on SL is often a very fulfilling experience.

Surely though, doing that in real life, with someone you know and care about, is far more fulfilling than typing one handed to a stranger?

Broccoli

Of course, as any RL experience is usually more fulfilling than a virtual one. However there are often circumstances in ones life that make RL encounters problematic--particularly if one is seeking a RL relationship, not simply to 'hook up' with someone.

My point is simply that virtual sex does have its place and is not as meaningless as many would make it out to be.

There are actually "Things " we can use to allow us (at leat us girls) to use both hands when typing.....

While the real thing between 2 people in the same room is far superior to Pixelized Particle Acceleration, there are some for whom RL sex is not possible, for a variety of reasons, and not just the Mom's basement crowd. So for them this is their outlet. Most of us have engaged in self pleasure at one time or another, and may have used various erotic materials to get us in the mood. This is no different in my opinion.

I'm here for the SEX!

An adult grid would be cool, if that becomes necessary. But then the Main grid would be empty, because everyone would be there, hehehhe. Then the wacko's would come to the Adult grid and start their moaning and whining there, and start this all over again.

HEY! The advertisement for SL says, "The only limits are the limits of your imagination!"

Now when did we start giving a care what other people think? I think SL brings all of us closer together. People are not shunned here, because of the way they look, or their race, or lifestyle, or even if they are a Furry (*smiles).

Just another example of people sitting around with no life, and nothing to do, except tell other people how to live their life. The Child Av thingie, broke no laws, harmed no one and ageplay, although I don't do it, should be allowed.

Let's get back to:

"The only limits are the limits of your imagination!"

whhaatttt?

I have never had SL sex, have no interest or motivation to do so except for laughs I found few funny adult objects and animations.
Sex personally I find incredibly funny to boring, especially online. I haven't met anyone I would want to do that sort of thing with if I was interested in it.
There is nothing wrong with those who do or enjoy sexual rpg, fantasy,etc but what annoys me is those who act like 13 years olds about it.

Never have it - but I don't care if others do.

Mari

DITTO! I have to be touching my RL lover for me to actually enjoy sex and my RL hubby in SL is the same way even tho his inworld wife wants to cyber all the time LMAO! I find it very funny and boring to be honest, Give me the real thing anyday!