Insanity

This thread has me in stiches! I mean, really! 5-stars, all the way.

I pay for SecondLife.com -- and pay a lot -- and if they need to take my IP numbers to fulfill their mission of enforcing the TOS, so be it. They haven't informed me of that, but I view them as a trustworthy business with a good reputation.

SLExchange.com informs me of their taking of my IP address and goes through elaborate steps to ensure security in picking up the logins, etc. because actual money is involved, it's a commerciale site. I've never seen any evidence that those pepole who run SLExchange.com use the information to stalk in RL or out alts. Those people don't appear to post on the forums very much and don't engage in forums drama. Therefore, since I earn money from this site and have found it to be trustworthy, I don't think I need to worry that they will be playing "out the alt".

I don't visit Anshechung.com I get enough of Anshe in the game lol. I don't doubt Anshe gathers the IP numbers too, and I imagine it's more important for her to gather simply the hard cold business aspects of IP addresses rather than to waste the time to play "out the alt" or "stalk in RL". That is, I would imagine the business girl hopes to get hard data like peak times for sales, amount of sales, correlation between browsing and sales, etc. like any normal commercial site.

You, on the other hand, Cristiano, don't earn the "trustworthy" designation from me after you posted Nolan's hilarious and outrageous slander of me. I posted a rebutal to that slander, but after perusing this site, I didn't think it was a place I wanted to stay active on. It was clearly a forum for people to vent themselves and disregard the constraints they have to face on this forum.

Since you vehemently, regularly, and often post against me on these forums, I have no choice to assume that you harvest data and use it however you "need" to use it.

And I have heard no statement to the contrary.

Then you are saying 99.99% of ALL the sites on the internet are untrustworthy, because virtually 100% of them use/capture IP addresses.

I knew Aimee was FIC!

And not just cause she always screams Phil! Phil! oh god Yes Phil! when we are making love.


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Note this is a joke, and not meant to insinuate any read admission of a relationship between aimee and myself. Legal disclaimer done!

Not "virtually". They all do. Ya know, 'cuz... like... that's how the 'net works, 'n stuff...

Your stupidity shines through like a beacon in the night here. A few things;

1) Those people from SLExchange - you mean Anshe? She is half owner in it.
2) I didn't post anything from Nolan - Nolan posted on his own. I gave you the opportunity to have it removed, you declined. Don't rewrite history. I know outright lying is something you do but this is getting silly.
3) I I have made statements to the contrary, you are just being an obtuse ass and think if you keep pretending I haven't answered you, people won't notice. I could care less if you trust me. Given your background, you talking about trust makes me laugh out loud.

What about if people were called lets say ummm...tekkiwikkiati, scripterati, FICati ect. ect. then is that okay Jake??



side note:
Mmmmmmmmm this pie is sooo good!

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That's your opinion.

And let me gently, gently break it to you, Cristiano.

A libel suit cannot get any traction in these United States of America unless you can show that:

a) the plaintiff is not a public figure
b) the plaintiff has suffered significant loss of income from the respondant's statements.

Cristiano:

a) you are a public figure running a public website with hundreds if not thousands of visitors in a public game
b) you did not suffer any loss of income



So? I'm not asking about the mechanics of how something is grabbed, I'm asking about its intended use.



Um, duh, I'm quite aware of that. What I'm asking is WHY you do it. Not every single website puts in cookies, not every website that tracks info uses it. My question has to do with *your reasons* for tracking it.



I didn't commit a crime, Cristiano. Trust me on this. You will get nowhere with this silly idea. But go ahead, I'm sure it will provide hours if not months of entertainment!



I think Linden Labs can't even find a violation of the TOS in my legitimate raising of questions about their own TOS violation! And they'll hardly be ably to find any RL crime here. It's just too laughable, Cristiano.



Go ahead, Cristiano, bring it on. Like I said, these old-world notions of machismo, honour, reputation, disrespect, etc. being tied to criminal behaviour have no place in our new world. We're free from all that, and thank God for it!

I suggest you bone up on Times v. Sullivan, one of the key landmark Supreme Court cases on this matter.

Are you stupid? Don't answer that. Cris CAN'T find the alts without Blaze's IP address. He may have the ALTS address, but he doesn't have BLaze's address. Nothing to compare them to. There is absolutely NO WAY he can connect the alts to Blaze. You are really beginning to scare me Prok.

I sincerely recommend that you research the situation, and check past history, and then revisit your position.

Prokofy, I don't know how the laws are in America these days, but at least over here in Europe, companies are legally required to keep a log of anything you do on their server, in case they are necessary as evidence in court. So watch what you say on the internet, it's likely that everything is being saved for months or years, depending on the country.
For the record, LL also logs everything you say and do on their servers.

Also, just about all server software is set to log everything by default. It does not stem from malicious intent - sometimes we don't even have any control over it.
I feel I need to stress how easy it is for people to get your Internet Protocol (IP) adress: every person on your Yahoo list can get your IP adress, and indeed, it is written on every data packet sent over the internet, much like your home adress has to be on every letter.

But I should add that an IP adress is a mere integer. It holds no personal information - the most you can find out about a person is their Internet Service Provider (ISP), and an ISP cannot legally reveal the matching customer to anyone unless they have a court order.
If you were referring to that incident with Nolan where he posted all your personal details, I'm afraid it had absolutely nothing to do with your IP adress.

Prokofy,

I swear you do not even read your own posts. You claimed the IP address was unlawfully grabbed. You then try to switch and say you were not talking about it being grabbed, but its intended use. I have told you its intended uses.

1) To provide a record of where the post originated for legal protection in a public forum.
2) To provide the ability to be able to block a user from accessing the site.

Both are standard uses by any forum software. I am sorry this is beyond your limited comprehension, but that's it - the full use of them.

As far as prevailing on a libel suit, I'm not worried about winning it - it would honestly just be worthwhile to drag you through this so that you stop thinking you can just say whatever the fuck you please, regardless of its basis in truth.

Why do you keep talking about America, the old world, etc? We are in the same country.

If you have to make an alt to say what's on your mind then you're actually not risking anything at all. You're hiding.

Eggy,

Thank you, but Prokofy has made it clear that he/she has no interest in the truth of what an IP is or used for, or how or why it is collected.

Clarification re: 1) above - unless you know different Cris, Anshe bought 30% of my interest and Apo bought my remaining 10% - so unless she bought more from him she owns 30%.

Moreover, if your not willing to say it openly, it's not worth saying. Hence, I basicly disregard anything blaze or any other admitted or obvious alt says anymore. They aren't willing to back it up by saying who they are. So they must not really care about it... They just do it to get a response. The least I can do is deprive them of that.

Ah yes, you are right. See, watch Prokofy, unlike you, I will own up to misspeaking:

Anshe is 30% owner in SLExchange.

ROFL!!!

Ooooops. Typo. Thanks for pointing that out.

hahahahahahaha!!!! Ow. My sides hurt now. My eyes are watering I'm laughing so hard! Someone archive this thread before it gets deleted. This is the funniest thread ever!

of course its ok? who the hell is offended byu being called FICati, or tekkiwikkiati, or hell really even paranoidati, or what ever yours was (I thought it clever). I just think there is a differenct dimension in calling someone a criminal, or insane, or even a liar. I find most character attacks uncalled for, and in here, I find them silly.

I really do not take any of this with more than a grain of salt. Besides everyone seems to jump on the bandwagon against prokofy.. hell I'm a sucker for lost causes.

Besides, as you point out. I have no problem with Prokofy, he's always cool to me.

And hell I'm some sort of "ati" or another..


Oh and pass the pie please....

Um, Cristiano, I've heard you rant about the *partial* truth of what an IP is used for.

What I await is your forthright disclaimer that you *do not* grab IPs in order to track in RL or out alts.

Well, where is it? Where is that assurance?

Jakerati, maybe?

Yeah, the FIC, scripterati, tekkiwikinistas, etc. are all just funny, satirical, wry labels for groups. They describe groups in SL by virtual of their behavior. They don't single out actual named groups in the FIND GROUPS list. They don't single out individuals. They just lampoon people for their pretentious notions of themselves.

Some find it funny and right on target. Others find it has too much of an edge and is "venomous". I suggest it's because the shoe fits.

Calling someone a criminal, a libeler, an insane person, a monster, etc. is of a different order. That is a personal attack, and unjustified.

I told you exactly what I used them for. If I used them to track RL info or your alts, I would have included that in my statement of what I use them for. My god, you are such an obtuse idiot, Prokofy, seriously. There is your statement - I use the IP addresses for the stated purposes, and that is all.