Insanity

Jake, seriously i'm not telling you not who to like, i know people and like people that are fond of prok. I'm surely not judging you because of your friend as I have mentioned before. You have a right to your opinion like everyone else. However, just like anyone else on the forums, regardless who they are, if I disagree, i'm going to say so. Okay, admittingly I was a little harsh with you, you've turned out to be nice and you know how to not take all this very seriously. I admire that Glad you like the pie, seems to be a favorite around here

Huggerz,
MJ

I'm so glad that Cristiano and Jackal Savage are such little pals and compare notes in the game! Touching

Um, you were the one ranting for 60 minutes "MJ" not me ROFL. Honestly, I still marvel at how you went on and on and ON not taking "we're working on it" for an answer, not listening, not getting it, but just going on and on and on. I have the notecard to prove it, hon!

No problem, Cristiano. My volunteer work at Bedlam is finally coming in handy.

Personally I am just as frustrated as anyone else over the login times
I even bought a new network cable thinking it was me. However, the
only thing is lack of communication in SL that seems to really get to
me. The game is great and yes there are some known issues that
need to be discussed with clients (YOU) and allow you time to know
that the game will be down. My group and I spend ALOT of time
in SL and just like the communication with the leaders/guru's here
We do appreciate everything that is being done. I do feel theres
alot of negativity within and needs to be controlled over game
performance. We are all adults so maybe try and be a little more
patient GRRRRRR....lol while the issues are being delt with.

Ok in case you wonder whay we spend pages and pages here..its cause this is still better than the alternative: Do you poop before you pee, or pee before you poop?"
this thread just got five stars

Well unless anything I can't resist responding to comes up, I am out of here. In summary for those who want the TV Guide version:

1) Someone (not me) has been upset enough by Prokofy to involve the FBI. Don't ask, I have no idea.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet. He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
11) Aimee brought cookies.
12) MrsJakal got naked.
13) Pandastrong imploded.
14) Merwan posted about me.
15) Merwan corrected me.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
17) Various people call Prokofy collectively on his insanity. Much frivolity ensues.
1 I go get drunk.

What are the legal purposes, in the USA, under what laws? Specify.

What is a "problematic poster"? One with an alt you suspect is somebody else in the game? So you *are* admitting that you out alts and match IP's, addresses, styles of posting, avs, etc. Thank you.

These two purposes are so vaguely stated and overbroad as to require my profession of the statement once again:


Good reason never to go to this untrustworthy site, people. They capture your IPS and try to use it to hone in on your place of business or residence in RL and to "track" you around the internet.

Could you please repeat, and endorse, the following statement:

Sluniverse.com does not use your IP address to relate your Second Life avatar to your RL person or track you to your RL location in any way. Sluniverse.com does not use your IP address to match your log-in user name on this site with your SL avatar or avatars used as alts.

If I don't hear this, Cristiano, you'll be hearing me say like a broken record:


Good reason never to go to this untrustworthy site, people.

My understanding of this thread:

1. Huh?
2. Wha??
3. Cristiano is the debil.
4. I need the ability to log on.

okay heshe, if you have the unedited version of our convo that day go ahead show it to anyone who cares. I also have a saved convo cause it was so hilarious that i had to save it. Noone would have believed me otherwise. Back it up heshe, back it up!

Wow, it took 45+ posts for someone to finally ask what the hell an IPS number was. I was trying to figure it out... Internet Protocol System Number... Irate Poster Syndrome Number... Insanely polite Synopsis Number... Individual pornographic sponser number...

Hmmm, I don't think it's any of those, although the second one seems somewhat apt.

--BL

I'm just laughing so hard at all of you who are searching for the post i get nakked in!!! ROFL!!!!!

I take it back! There's been a change in course and we're now heading towards Calumny 12. Stewardess! Bring me more nuts!

My opinion is that a 'problematic poster' would be someone like to you, Prokofy. If it were my forums and I were the administrator, 'problematic' is open to my discretion, which is why your IP would have been blocked from my hypothetical forums along time ago.

Just for the record, 'problematic poster' != outing alts, etc.


Get. A. Grip.


Blackmail much?

No one calls them ISP numbers. You know why? Because they're not called that. At least own up to your ignorance, please.

Your discourse on this subject is not only deliberately inflammatory but also wildly ignorant and I am stunned in the extreme that you are persisting in it. There is not a web server in existence that can do its job without the acquisition of an IP address. Logs are kept of all IP addresses on every last server I've ever used.

Moreover, without an explicit declaration from a client, no server can definitively declare that an IP belongs to a specific individual. One would first need to establish an account with a server (say, a forum account) that tied an IP with some specific information. Even at that point, the dynamically-assigned nature of the majority of consumer IP addresses means that your IP will only be you for a few hours or a few days.

I have often wondered if I was being unfair with you, Prokofy. If I was letting my difference of opinion unfairly color you.

I no longer wonder.

Despite countless attempts at educating you in this thread, your persistent rhetoric of abuse only becomes less credible.

Ditto! Cheers Cris!

Uh-huh.... I think we know which airline Chip will be on:

Lotto Numbers? Pshaw, that's for mindless twits*..... I'm naming my first born after that...

66.41.137.62 Livingston.... It has a nice ring.

--BL

*who generally kick my butt when it comes to winning those million dollar jackpots

LOL. I was just waiting for the fact that everyone was calling it an IP address to click in his noggin, but it never really did. I had to say something. It was beginning to make my cheek twitch.

Legal purposes - to protect the liability of my own site - it provides a traceable record via ISP that can be subpoenaed. As a public web forum, anyone could register/use my site and open me up to liability. As such, having this information is a protection if it ever needs to be used in litigation/criminal proceedings. It is the same reason most if not all public forums track IPs of posts.

Problematic forums posters - I have actually only ever IP banned twice. The first was when Grimmy Moonflower started abusing my forums with hate speech, and the second is now you. Congrats.



I'll hear you say it like a broken record no matter what I do, because that is the bizarre game you are playing. I'll write my own statements - I know you are cool with copying the words of others, I'm not. Thank you first of all for reiterating your libel, and the fact that it was a statement and not a question. It is fun to watch you backtrack in bold.

I have clearly stated it is not used for those purposes - why do you keep going around in a circle? Close to cumming yet, because clearly you get off on this?

I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.

2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.

It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.

3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.

And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.

4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.

Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.

He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.

Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.

5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.

ISP, dickhead.

http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebstories/oxymoron_priv_2_23.htm

Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.

6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.

I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.

And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?


7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.

Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.

Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.

I still don't have answers.

9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.

I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.

10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.

Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.

16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.

It's a statement that poses a question.

Um, exactly how do you envision any of this being used, in what context?



Um, what was my offense on your website, Cristiano lol?\

Now why am I not surprised? I even had a bet going that you'd ban me from your website. Urizenus Sklar did that to me once when I hoaxed him with a fake witch persona interview on SLHerald. Boy was he mad. But he had higher ideals for free speech than you, and he climbed down within 12 hours.





What's fascinating for me to watch is how you evade and wriggle and just can't seem to wrap yourself around a forthright statement, that should have been made hours ago.

You can't lie, apprently, Cristiano. You can't say that in fact you DO this. I know you do it. We all know you do it. Do you realize it is wrong?


Because instead of making a positive open statement that you do not track people to RL and you do not out alts, you are continuing to dance up a storm.

I suspect the issue of the outing of alts is where I"ve got you, Cristiano. Fess up.



*Rolls eyes*. It seems part of the macho culture to sexualize a thing like this, Cristiano, but it's not about sex. It's about me asking you to be accountable.

No need to get bitchy, Prokofy, it WAS your error, which you continued to make after many corrections by others.

By the power vested in me by Ronald McDonald and Mayor McCheese, I urge everyone to follow Cris's shining example, and go get hammered.

It'll be infinitely more rewarding than staying here.