Insanity

blaze spinnaker is not a registered member as "blaze spinnaker".

Yet blaze says he posts on that forum, does he not? Unless I missed a beat.

Therefore blaze's alt is on the forum somewhere.

Therefore Cristiano can embark on the manhunt for blaze's alt.

Dork yourself.

I did and its okay my point is always lost on the paranoidati

ROFL Delusional as well as paranoid - LOVE it.

And, I think that's an excellent description of YOU don't know if you are truly paranoid, or if that is just the way you choose to present yourself to make yourself the center of attention. You are either very smart or very sick. I am currently leaning toward the latter. Now. Please make me a Prok Teddy.

Prokofy, dude... you seriously need to chill. You're wrong, you know it, get over it. You should probably apologize to Cristiano.

SecondLife.com, SLExchange.com and ANSHECHUNG.COM all use forum software that logs IPs. Nothing in the privacy statement, again because you never see mention of IP address in privacy statements. All untrustworthy sites? Nope,all very trustworthy sites. You don't have a leg to stand on here, you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole. I am more than happy to have provided the shovel.

Prokofy,

I cannot state this more clearly, I have answered your question. You are so obtuse it is fucking scary, seriously, I am done - I will let an attorney handle this.

Please for the love of everything sane, fun, wholesome, and plagiarism free; return Prokofy to ignore. Everyone. Please. Don't entertain this creature’s bitter paranoid delusion.

Well, Cris, you should file a libel suit and get LindenLabs involved.

Boy, would that stir shit up in a way I never could.

Yeah but in my case you point is lost on me.

Are you troubled by the fact that I don't hate prokofy? I disagree with him sometimes, but I have had fun with his crazy Ideas in the game. I measure people by how they treat me, when they have met me, and I can find no fault from him on that score. Also what sort of asshole would I be if I were to accept Proks freindship in world and then deny it on the forums for the pleasure of people who donlt like him.

Or are you offended by my comments that people should not be free with criminal accusations? Or psychological evaluations. I am not sure I speak from any position of paranoia. Just reasonableness.

Or should I triple neg rate you and call the FBI and Ar you fro snipping my remarks and making a personal attack by calling me paranoiati?

I suppose you are too clever for me by half.

For once, the title of the thread ACTUALLY applies to the contents!!

Cris explained to you, at length, in several posts WHY servers store this data.

Now explain why you libeled Cris and his site. You didn't say "might" you said he did these things. It's there plain as day for all to see.

RAAAAAARGHHH ! TRIPLE NEG! YOU ARE HOLDING BACK SL WITH YOUR TEKKIE WILLY WONKA FUCK YOU HEDONISM BETA LOVE FEST!

Ahh, *flexes* I feel more empowered already!!

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~ They Might Be Giants.

Thanks for your support, Jake, but in fact I don't insinuate anything about Snapzilla committing fraud.

What I insinuate is that Spapzilla grabs your IP number when you upload a picture on it. And I insinuate that we have no protection from the misuse of this information in terms of tying people from their avs in the game to their RL persons, and we have no protection

And actually, I don't "insinuate" or "libel" or "slander" with this statement, I make a statement of FACT: indeed we do not have any explanation or protection on these issues from this untrustworthy site.

The untrustworthy site tells us in vague terms that it cares about privacy and will protect ours. Here is it's privacy policy, which, like most sites, you have to hunt for with a magnifying glass at the very bottom of the page.

What you'll see here is standard boilerplate about protection from advertising spam -- that's what most people mean by a "privacy policy".

But what we do NOT see here is any kind of promise or pledge or vow or undertaking to refrain from imparting the knowledge gained from the IP number to others in the game of Second Life, in violation of the TOS of SL, and any assurance that the IP number will NOT be used to track an avatar to his RL person, or an avatar to his alt avatars.

Yet that's the kind of assurance we need in this game!

Privacy Policy Statement for SLuniverse.com and All Related Features


4/50025 - Update to Privacy Policy

The email addresses [email]private@sluniverse.com[/email] and [email]private@slpics.com[/email] have been added to provide individual opt out controls on a per snapshot basis of location information being displayed on the Snapzilla site.

4/2/2005 - Update to Privacy Policy

To support a change added to the email postcards in version 1.6 of Second Life, the location information (sim name and x/y coordinates) of each snapshot is being saved in addition to the information listed below that is saved as part of processing the email. The display of exact coordinates will be an opt out feature of Snapzilla - pictures will be filterable by sim name.

3/27/2005 - Update to Privacy Policy

A new feature has been added to Snapzilla that allows users to email snapshots to a friend. The names and email addresses the snapshots are sent to and from are not tracked or saved. The only tracking being done is a count of how many times each snapshot has been sent.

3/5/2005 - Cosmetic update to Privacy Policy


03/04/2005 - Update to Privacy Policy:

In regards to the Snapzilla photo blogging service, the email addresses that the emails are sent from are not being viewed, recorded or stored in any way. The emails are automatically processed and then deleted. The only information saved from the emails is the snapshot, subject, message, and sender name. Additionally, the location information of the image will be stored in the future as well to allow teleporting to a location - it is not currently available. For more information, please contact [email]snapzilla@sluniverse.com[/email].

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This is the web site of SLuniverse.

We can be reached via e-mail at [email]support@sluniverse.com[/email]


For each visitor to our Web page, our Web server automatically recognizes only the consumer's domain name, but not the e-mail address (where possible).

We collect only the domain name, but not the e-mail address of visitors to our Web page, aggregate information on what pages consumers access or visit, information volunteered by the consumer, such as survey information and/or site registrations.

The information we collect is not shared with other organizations for any purpose.

With respect to cookies: We use cookies to store visitors preferences, record session information, such as login information.

If you supply us with your postal address on-line, you would only ever be contacted at this address for dispute resolution of financial transactions.


Persons who supply us with their telephone numbers on-line will only receive telephone contact from us after unable to successfully contact you in case of dispute resolution of financial transactions.

With respect to Ad Servers: We do not partner with or have special relationships with any ad server companies.

Upon request we provide site visitors with a description of information that we maintain about them.

Consumers can access this information by e-mail us at the above address.

Upon request we offer visitors the ability to have inaccuracies corrected in contact information, unique identifiers.

Consumers can have this information corrected by sending us e-mail at the above address.

With respect to security: We always use industry-standard encryption technologies when transferring and receiving consumer data exchanged with our site, When we transfer and receive certain types of sensitive information such as financial information, we redirect visitors to a secure server. We have appropriate security measures in place in our physical facilities to protect against the loss, misuse or alteration of information that we have collected from you at our site.

If you feel that this site is not following its stated information policy, you may contact us at the above email address addresses, the Federal Trade Commission by phone at 202.FTC-HELP (202.382.4357) or electronically at http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/complaint.htm.

Jake,

You do realize the original post in this thread about the FBI is about someone else, it has nothing to do with me. Prokofy has legal issues coming from all directions now.

I was inclined to agree with you originally, but I thought about it a bit more and came to the following conclusion: SL law is irrelevant. Prokofy Neva lives and works in New York city, which is in the jurisdiction of New York state. One could take the alternate viewpoint: the servers are located in California, so his egregious fraud actually took place in California. Either way, I'm inclined to believe that the law of the real world supercedes that of SL.

(collective head of SL community explodes)

Gaaah. Ok, enough torture already. Fix the darn log in.

You have not answered my question.

You have provided dodges and blinds evidently to enable you and your cronies to go on harvesting useful information to maintain your bastion of power in this game. How else could the ferocity of your response be understood?

Your privacy policy contains no pledges not to misuse the information in violation of the TOS of SL by outing avs or outing people's RL info. None whatsoever.

Since in order to sic a RL attorney on me in RL, you'd have to grab my personal information, using the unlawfully grabbed IP, and then obtaining some kind of RL telephone number, you'll be committing a grave violation of privacy in that regard.

You and your attorney will have to answer to Linden Labs for doing that.

Have you thought about that, Cristiano?

There's a reason for privacy policies in games. It's so people who get very worked up about competition in the game, and enemies they obtain while "levelling up" and "beating the bosses" in a game, can't harm you in RL with frivolous harassment lawsuits and other forms of RL harassments.

You just can't help yourself, it is amusing. Snapzilla actually doesn't track or store any IP addresses about individuals - the forum software tracks IP addreses for the stated purposes when forum posts are made by registered users only. So your ill-informed and oft repeated insinuation is just that - it has no basis in fact.

The information we collect is not shared with other organizations for any purpose.

This is good enough for me

You libeled Cristiano, and then you hide behind the privacy of LL? If he does decide to take legal action, your true identity is one paper away from being divulged. If his attorney subpoenas Linden Labs for your identity, your ass is grass.

He doesn't need to violate privacy in any way.

Its not against the law to have someone else's IP addy you GONK!

On his website it SAYS it logs your IP

Private websites and forums log user ip's for the purpose of banning people

Question - are you REALLY this stupid?

YOU CAN NOT GET A PHONE NUMBER FOR A NAME FROM AN IP ADDRESS YOU FOOL!



It is not possible! You woul need a court order to go to an ISP to get a customer number and even then the tracking is a tad bit shakey.



You do not understand technology, shut the fuck up. Just stop.

Ugh. I really hate to do this. But you guys know I really try to be the upstanding member of the community, and sometimes that means having to eat crow.

But ya. Pretty much everybody in the FIC knows your IP address Prok. No huge mystery that SOME of us are ace hackers. With your IP address it wasn't too hard to get access to your system. Just needed to upload a few files, and set a few registry keys and voila, we had a keypress monitor installed. With that we pretty much got credit card numbers, private e-mails, etc. In hopes of discouraging you from playing SL we added some corrupt files to your Second Life installation designed to cause you to have login problems, inventory lag, teleportation problems, etc.

Your service provider has you on Dynamic IP, which means it changes from time to time. This would normally screw up our efforts but we were able to add a process hook to your browsers and SL client that passes the updated IP address to us every time you post to the SL forums. Every post reveals your exact location to us.

I know I am going to catch hell for this from the elder FIC...but I HAVE to listen to my conscience.

I have answered clearly. What I won't do is play into your silly paranoia game, Prokofy. The vehemence of my response is because you openly libeled me, something I found surprising even coming from you. Your IP address was not unlawfully grabbed, there is no law against having IP addresses, in fact it does not even violate TOS, or everyone who streams music would be violating it. Your web browser provided your IP address, as it does to every single web site on the Internet. If you are so scared, get off the fucking Internet - you would certainly not be missed. You don't have a leg to stand on. If your RL personal information gets subpoenaed because of you committing a RL crime (libel), Linden Lab would be obligated to provide it - they are just the service provider - you are not protected from crimes. The fact you think I could get your phone number from your IP makes me laugh out loud - all it takes is a lawsuit to get that info. I have no problem opening up this Pandora's box - you went way too far here.

I did not. If you did not threaten Prokofy with criminal prosecution, then I withdraw my remarks insofar as I suggested you did. Accept my apology for misreading on that score.

I still maintain that people should be cautious and careful before they suggest someone is criminal or clinically insane. But that statement was directed to the entire community, and not anyone in particular. At least such was my intent. If it did not seem that way, then let this operate as a clarification.