Insanity

and thats NOT libel? lololol

It's not a TOS violation because he doesnt do it in Second Life you silly man.

Nope, it's a report on behavior.

Well, I"d be interested in hearing a Linden comment on this. It seems always fair game to violate the TOS with impunity and abandon merely by going a click away to sluniverse.com or irc's chat room for second life.

What does Linden say about this?

Why should he have to?

If you went to his site, it explains it there.

See, this is what I've been trying to tell you all...the paranoidati can't and won't hear the answers to their questions. You can answer them over and over again and they will still think there is a conspiracy somewhere. This thread is proof of that.

Prokofy,

Are you on drugs? Honestly, that is all I can figure. Reread your original post. You will note that you made a direct statement. Once again, I will repeat it for you so that you can't evade it again. I'll even put it in bold for you:

Good reason never to go to this untrustworthy site, people. They capture your IPS and try to use it to hone in on your place of business or residence in RL and to "track" you around the internet.

Statement. Not a question - I know you are slow, but IT IS A STATEMENT. No question mark. You are clearly stating the following (referring to me as the they):

1) The site is untrustworthy.
2) I captured your IP and use it to hone in on your place of business and home.
3) That I track you around the Internet.

All three are patently false. You can write paragraphs, make things bold, print it out and light it on fire, none of it changes the statement.

As far as all your machinations about IPS addresses, it amazes me how you just cannot admit you are wrong - there is no such thing as an IPS address. IPs is the plural of an IP address. ISP has a completely different meaning. I know you are trying to cover yourself because you can't ever admit wrong doing, but you have continued to resort to making shit up. All I can do is laugh.

BTW, I did answer you directly as to why the IP address is logged on each post. Keep claiming I didn't, it just makes you look even more like the delusional, irrational person that you are. You really make this too easy.

I've been to his site, and I see him making a vague statement about privacy, but not explaining why he is grabbing and storing and contrasting IP numbers.

In fact, he could well be embarking on a manhunt to find blaze's alt for all we know.

I've got a lovely tune for him I'm playing on the radio right now - Paranoid Android - deffo your theme tune Prok.

Wrong, it is libel, and I am contacting my attorney regarding it, Prokofy.

Ya, it does.

"With respect to cookies: We use cookies to store visitors preferences, record session information, such as login information."



Skirting that libel line again - you seem to be very good at that Prokofy.

You know what they say about making assumptions.

ROFL

I stand by this statement fully.

Untrustworthy sites capture your IPS and do who-knows-what with it. "They" refers to all such untrustworthy sites.

Are you an untrustworthy site, Cristiano? Yes or no. Just answer the questoin.

Until you assure me otherwise, I simply *must* assume that you are gathering RL information to use as intelligence/background/potential harassment/pressure etc. purposes (as I have seen done *alread* in this game to me by one of your customers!) AND I have to assume that you will be sifting through posts to contrast and compare alts.

So let us hear your assurances that you do NOT do this. That's all.

I would like to see your explanation here, in print, as to what you do with these addresses and why you collect them, instead of you coyly referring back to your site, to other posts, or whatever. Just answer the question.

Yet another forum pile-on. Gotta love it. Can't log in so we slit one another s throats to watch the feeding frenzy. I love this game.

The comments about IP addresses are well taken, the ip adress is the gateway to your computer. I am not so concerned about an I address, as I am sure half the neighborhood shares mine. I got three people In know who use my IP to play. I appreciate the concerns about alts, but I think makign that information pubilc is a breach of the privacy policy and the TOS.

Nahh what troubles me about this whole thing is that someone would threaten a person with prosecution for a triple neg rate. The ease with which people throw arroud criminal accusations and abuse reports is astounding. Not to mention all the oh so qualified clincal diagnoses of insanity?

My god do you people read what you write? Do read how fast you come out a call people morons of fuck tards? Frankly this is mostly between prokofy and Cris. Everyone else seems to circle around and pile on for a chance to slam Prokofy yet again. Of course ther eare a few throwing in general digs against people with significantly less technical savvy than they have. Damn but our knickers do get twisted.

I'd try to mitigate the condescention in my tone but its hard. Individually I think each of you has some valid points. It was wrong of Prokofy to insinuate that Snapzilla is some sort of enterprise to commit fraud. I donlt think ther was any deception intened. However in fairness it is dead wrong to tell someone you have called the FBI, or threaten to report them for fraud, simply because they have done something minor.

Simply advertsising land for sale at $0 is not really kosher, but its not really illegal. After all it is highly unlikely that you were actually injured by the misstatement. Rather than report to NY authorities , it is best to simply post the practice in the forum, so that others may learn too.

Now the threats of reporitn a hate crime can rise to the level of slander/libel and thus i would use it very sparingly. If I were Prokofy and I recieved such a communication, I would, rightfully, be angry.

I know that many here have picked fights with prok, and he he has [picked fights with many of you, but none of this foul language, name calling, and negrating really rises to the level of abuse of a pattern of harrassment. I certainly don't yet see anything criminal in anyone's behavior, at least not enough to warrant the attention of the FBI. If any attorneys out their have a differing opinion I'd like to hear from you. I suppose I can get on my soapbox and echo the thoughts of one of the tekki-wikkis: If you donlt know what you are talking about, then don't get on the soapboax-i find this very true of legal opinion and pyschological evaluations.

Ok break is over. get back to recess.

Oh yeah, and I can neither type nor spell, so don't bother commenting.

Wrong. You hung yourself by saying 'this untrustworthy' site. Then, in the next sentence you refer to it again, plural, 'they'.

You did the deed, yet you cannot own up to it. Par for the course.

Actually - the person who reported him to the FBI doesnt in fact say why they reported him - he does.

For all you know he could have been doing anything,we only have HIS word it was for a triple neg rating.

Prokofy,

You cannot wiggle your way out with semantics now, if you think I will not sue you over that statement, you are quite mistaken. I refuse to let you damage my site with false statements. I did answer the question IN THIS THREAD. If you are too lazy to read, that is not my problem. Here, is again, a concise answer to you -

1) The IP address of any forum post is logged. This is standard of any forum software, including SL's and almost any forum site on the net, for legal protection.
2) The IP addresses are also used to be able to block a user from being able to post. Without IP blocking, a user could simply create another account and keep posting.
3) The web server software uses IP addresses to deliver web pages and manage user sessions.

All standard stuff, but your lack of understanding of the Internet and your usual hyperbole went way too far this time. It's funny that the thread started off about one person taking legal steps against you - when it rains, it pours.

I sure do stand by what I said. He has an untrustworthy site. Untrustworthy sites grab your IP number or ISP's number and use it to gather information on your for unspecified and unpublicized purposes.

Cristiano's site is untrustworthy because he gathers IP numbers without explaining what he is doing with them and without explaining how he protects any user from the misuse of this information either to be tracked in RL by himself and his other crony customers, or in the game in terms of outing of alts.

There, I've made my statement crystal-clear, Juro. It's not "slander". It's stating the truth of the situation -- Cristiano operates an untrustworthy site.

Only thing I can say about this whole thread is...LMAO MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA this is too damn funny...thanks for the laugh folks in light of REAL problems such as not being able to log in ....LMAO

Shadow

My crony customers? Please, keep going, you are making this way too easy. You are right, it's not slander, it is libel.

This explains it all!

You just did yourself in, Prokofy.

Cristiano's site operates like many other sites which are all trustworthy, as his is. You have little to no knowledge of the technology behind it and assume the worst, then post a libelous comment.

um you had a point?

No, you are just acting like an idiot. If blaze spinnaker is NOT a registered member of SLU, how in the hell would Cris be able to connect blaze's IP address to your alts? He doesn't KNOW which one to connect them to. Dork!

OK folks.. we've officially gone off the deep end. Someone please get the cherub a water.

I'm not "wiggling" Cristiano, I'm stating explicitly the facts of this matter, which are not slander, but facts: you operate an untrustworthy site that captures my IP number and you do not explain what you are doing with it, and what protections I have from you or your other customers, especially your cronies, tracking me in RL or outing my alts.

I spoke in a general way about trustworthy sites, but I do not back down under your intimidation and scrutiny to state explicityly that yes, I also meant YOUR untrustworthy site because UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE I cannot get assurances about the use of this information by you.



And I refuse to let you intimidate me, gather my personal information, give it to others, and out my alts. No fucking way.

So what if the IP address of any forum post is logged? That doesn't spare you from criticism from a game where this kind of information is used to track people in RL and out alts -- both severe TOS violations!

Why do you think you are exempt, Cristiano???



So? That's just *one* use of it. But *many other* uses include outing alts and tracking in RL!!!



So? That's what Urizenus said about SL Herald. And people pointed out that they should have the right to make up handles and post on his letters to the editor page without being "outed" and tied to their av in the game so that in a free press, they could make critical statements without having to suffer reprisals of the likes that one often suffers in this game when insane fucktards go after them.

These are principles by which people in the gaming community stand. Don't think you're immune to the insistence from the public at the practice already established in other precedents like SLHerald -- they were forced to stop playing "let's out the alt" when they were shown to be hideously off the mark claiming someone was my alt who wasn't.




So? You haven't answered my question as to why you'd need to store my numbers forever for these purposes when I'm not a griefer or posting in violation of any TOS, and you haven't explained what protections I have that you will not use this information to track me in RL, or out alts.

Answer the question, Cristiano.



Take all the legal steps you like, macho man. I think you will discover that when you try to pull this tripe in the free country of the United States of America you will get NOWHERE.

These colors don't run!'

Let it rain and pour all you like. It's really high time that people who misuse both the Abuse Reporting system and even RL crime units for maintaining their status in this game got a real pushback. They'll get one from me every time.