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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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05-14-2005 20:27
From: Blanc Noir I have three things to say...
1. Prokofy: shut the fuck up. And nobody calls them "IPS addresses"... except you, that is.
2. Cris: Prokofy knows very well that he's being irrational and assholish. He's simply enjoying our reaction to it. He truly gets off on pissing people off. He should be banned.
3. Forum moderators: Where the hell are you, and why hasn't this thread been locked or deleted and Prokofy banned? Blanc, Thank you, I do know that, I'm just not going to roll over and play dead and let Prokofy get away with it. It has been worth it, this thread represents the clearest portrait ever of how unstable Prokofy is and how damaging.
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
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05-14-2005 20:30
From: someone Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Zaius
No they are not.
They are IP addresses only, they control IP routing between hosts. This actually means that an ISP does not ever be involved. IP addresses were assigned before ISP's even existed. The term dates back to the first TCP/IP-over-radio experiment in Hawaii in the early 1960's.
-Adam
Did you read that Prokofy? Yeah, Juro. So? I knew that already. I just didn't know the history of it. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still also called the Internet Service Provider's URL or address on the Internet. Because that's what they are. Using that number, URL, or address, you can find out what a person's Internet Service Provider is, and their terminal they use to log on to the Internet. And that's the whole funny thing about tracking somebody. You can't always do it so efficiently with these Internet Protocol numbers because all they take you to is an Internet Service Provider numbered location or address which could be used by 3 or 30 people in one building or city block.
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MrsJakal Suavage
Purple Butterfly
Join date: 18 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,434
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05-14-2005 20:30
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
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05-14-2005 20:31
From: someone It has been worth it, this thread represents the clearest portrait ever of how unstable Prokofy is and how damaging.
__________________ I think we are seeing the death throes of the beta testers. We know Cristiano is particularly irritable today because he discovered beloved Eggy didn't include him in the list of 1500 beta testers! Boo-hoo! And now...now...this! SO SAD!
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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05-14-2005 20:31
From: Prokofy Neva They also talk about their ISP addresses. They talk about: America Online, Inc. 22000 AOL Way Dulles, VA 20166 (703) 265-1000 ?
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From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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05-14-2005 20:33
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
 Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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05-14-2005 20:34
From: Prokofy Neva Yeah, Juro. So? I knew that already. I just didn't know the history of it.
But that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still also called the Internet Service Provider's URL or address on the Internet. Because that's what they are. Using that number, URL, or address, you can find out what a person's Internet Service Provider is, and their terminal they use to log on to the Internet.
And that's the whole funny thing about tracking somebody. You can't always do it so efficiently with these Internet Protocol numbers because all they take you to is an Internet Service Provider numbered location or address which could be used by 3 or 30 people in one building or city block. Uhhhh.. HELLO - that was Adam, not me. Put on your glasses, dude. |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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05-14-2005 20:35
From: Enabran Templar They talk about:
America Online, Inc.
22000 AOL Way
Dulles, VA 20166
(703) 265-1000
? Yes, I had this conversation with Eboni on Yahoo the other day: Eboni: What is your ISP address? Cristiano: BellSouth, Inc. 575 Morosgo Drive Atlanta. GA 30324 Eboni: hah! now I can find where you live, pwned! Cristiano: You caught me, I secretly live in Atlantal
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Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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05-14-2005 20:36
From Second Life Forum Guidelines: From: someone Hate speech and revelation of other people’s real life information are prohibited and are grounds for suspension or removal from the forums and Second Life. These threads will be deleted.
Self-regulation of forum posts is the ideal. Posts should conform with the Terms of Service and the Community Standards. However, moderators will have the option of:
editing aggressively offensive personal attacks to remove those statements that violate the community standards (with an accompanying statement explaining the violation and reason for edit), please note language, such as "fraud, liar, cheater, griefer, troller, jerk, scam artist" etc is strongly discouraged, but will not be removed.
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Jake Reitveld
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Join date: 9 Mar 2005
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05-14-2005 20:38
Hmmm well since this has become an arguement about what an IP addy really is. And the whole debate of what shoul be done with information obtained by a web site has been subverted by the usual snowball, and since Ms. Jakal is naked, and since I am a member of the hornierati, and sicne I can't log on,
I am going to whisk Ms. Jakal's nekkie butt away (alongwith this boston cream pie) and we are going to have forum sex, which is like avi sex, but done with forums. Ok so I have no idea what forum sex is, but we will make some thing up.
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Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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05-14-2005 20:39
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=472735&messageID=2187149ISP address Author: suryasg Dec 9, 2003 4:19 AM using "request.getRemoteAddr();" we can get the IP address of a client in a JSP page. But I want to find out the ip address of the ISP through which the client is connected. Any idea? Re: ISP address Author: TheDavid Dec 9, 2003 10:30 AM (reply 1 of 1) Can't be done. In this context, "ISP" is rather arbituary. For example, say I'm connecting to your web page from a little cubicle in IBM's offices in upstate New York. So what's my ISP? Is it IBM? Is it the trunk line where IBM's network connects to one of the major routers on the Internet? Is it WorldCom or GlobalCrossing or SBC? Maybe ICANN? And so on. Secondly, you need to be aware that some smaller ISPs do share network blocks. For example, company A might service business customers whereas company B serves residental customers. But whenever someone connects to either company A or company B, they get an IP address from a common pool. Probably the best solution (at this time) is to get the client to send you email. Then you can parse the email to determine what is in all probability their ISP. In this case, if I sent you email from [email]theDavid@hypothetical-email-address.att.com[/email], you can sorta guess AT&T is my ISP.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
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05-14-2005 20:40
From: Prokofy Neva
The article I cited -- it doesn't matter if it was from the year 2000, other articles like it could be found today -- talks about the misuse of these addresses (on the Internet, duh, not in RL buildings) and how fraud can be committed with them.
No, it didn't, it spoke about how one site's programming allowed other users to view the account info of other customers by changing a few characters in the site's URL - most likely some unique identifying number in the URL tied to a specific account. This has nothing to do with IP addresses. |
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Brian Livingston
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Join date: 26 Jan 2004
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05-14-2005 20:40
From: Schwanson Schlegel I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
Hardly a tangent, but the Essence of the Matter.
Prokofy ignores the fact that he has been responded to and claims that he made no statement, that he asked a question.
I still don't have answers.
9) Statement was clearly pointed out, and ignored.
I still don't have answers and refutations to my concerns that you track people into RL and track them in the game.
10) Prokofy keeps repeating that he was not answered, even though he was answered multiple times.
Cristiano thinks that if he doesn't answer a question and keeps restating irrelevancies, that this is a good way of hiding his non-answers.
16) Prokofy said the same bullshit ad nasuem and backtracked about his original statement, finally calling it a statement, while earlier calling it a question.
It's a statement that poses a question.
I outed this particular threatening act in a generic sort of manner to show how silly it was and to deprive it of any steam they thought they could get out of it.
2) Prokofy claims it is a TOS violation to have an IP address.
It is. It is RL information. It is not on the Second Life profile. Therefore capturing it -- and using it -- to match avatars to RL information, or to out alts, are real serious violations of the TOS -- they deserve the highest scrutiny and I hope some of the finest minds like Pathfinder will look at this long-used loophole for people to gather ammunition outside the game to shoot inside the game.
3) I point out that my site, among many others have IP addresses.
And we never did hear whether or not they are used to out alts, or tie avs to RL. Never. Because even though he is cornered on this issue now, he still wishes to hang on to this power-ability to one-up others in the game.
4) Prokofy makes statement that my site is untrustworthy and that I used the IP address to find his work and home, and to track him on the Internet.
Yes, I sincerely, sincerely do not doubt that you do that, and that you do it not only to me, and that you also use it to out my alts or blaze's alts or anybody's alts in the posting on your forums.
He also claims Snapzilla is tracking the IP address of every person who sends in a photo for later use in Google witch hunts.
Yes I am. Because you are? And because you *can* use it for Google witch hunts. And you have not renounced this capacity or condemned the practive.
5) Prokofy tried to bring the phrase IPS into the vernacular, with no luck.
ISP, dickhead.
http://www.privacytimes.com/NewWebs...n_priv_2_23.htm
Read this article, which not only explains the kind of problem we're dealing with right now with your website grabbing this number, it uses the term "ISP" to explain what is grabbed.
6) I called Prokofy on his lie, stated that the only purposes my site tracks IP addresses of registered forum posts is for legal purposes to track where a post came from (so that personal info could be subpoenaed from an ISP by court order if something illegal were done), and to have the ability to block problematic forum posters from posting under any account on the site.
I did not lie. I stated my belief about your website, absent any assurances to the contrary. What would the "illegal things" be that someone could be doing on a game website such that you would have to provide cooperation with authorities with court orders??? Honestly, I've run plenty of RL websites in my day, and we've never had to grab IP numbers or ISP addresses or WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO CALL THEM to run a website with open forums.
And what is a problematic poster? Someone who posts something you disagree with, but doesn't give their in-game avatar name?
7) Blaze goes off on a tangent about outing his alts.
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05-14-2005 20:40
Schwan, that post was painful BTW...
and also, just to prove what's his names law: Naziati did it!
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05-14-2005 20:45
Google the phrase "ISP Address" and you'll find many, many instances of people using the terms "IP" and "ISP Address" interchangeably. It is accepted vernacular use. What tekkies do is try to correct you on this to insist on their jargonistic distinctions. But for practical purposes of the consumer, they're the same thing. Here's a typical interchange: http://www.safemode.org/wwwboard/messages/882.htmlRe: Hiding an ISP address -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Follow Ups] [Post Followup] [Safemode.org discussion forum] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by James using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) on Saturday, July 06, 2002 at 8:32AM : In Reply to: Hiding an ISP address posted by Seracuz using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) on Friday, July 05, 2002 at 0:05AM : > I need to find a way to hide my isp address so that it can not be seen. I need to be able to mask or change my isp so that the two computers connected to my dsl do not have the same isp address. I'm not sure how to do this or if it is even possible. Please help me out. By isp address i assume you mean IP address. There are many ways you can bind multiple ip addresses to your box (non-windows) via ifconfig. But it all really depends on if your isp is vulnerable. I know excite@home when it was in business was vulnerable. What i did was i used ifconfig to edit my mac address and just kept running dhclient and binding a new ip address everytime. Give it a shot, cant hurt.... -James -- James -- signature 9.yc4. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Follow Ups: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post a Followup
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05-14-2005 20:46
From: Jake Reitveld Hmmm well since this has become an arguement about what an IP addy really is. And the whole debate of what shoul be done with information obtained by a web site has been subverted by the usual snowball, and since Ms. Jakal is naked, and since I am a member of the hornierati, and sicne I can't log on,
I am going to whisk Ms. Jakal's nekkie butt away (alongwith this boston cream pie) and we are going to have forum sex, which is like avi sex, but done with forums. Ok so I have no idea what forum sex is, but we will make some thing up. ***points to Jake*** Bouncers!!!!!! Help me!!!! My Gah Brian!!! Its bad enough Schwan did that, you had to also!!! my head hurts! lol |
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05-14-2005 20:47
From: Jake Reitveld Schwan, that post was painful BTW...
and also, just to prove what's his names law: Naziati did it! I just wanted to see what 33,000 characters look like at size 7. |
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05-14-2005 20:48
From: Prokofy Neva http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=472735&messageID=2187149ISP address Author: suryasg Dec 9, 2003 4:19 AM using "request.getRemoteAddr();" we can get the IP address of a client in a JSP page. But I want to find out the ip address of the ISP through which the client is connected. Any idea? Re: ISP address Author: TheDavid Dec 9, 2003 10:30 AM (reply 1 of 1) Can't be done. In this context, "ISP" is rather arbituary. For example, say I'm connecting to your web page from a little cubicle in IBM's offices in upstate New York. So what's my ISP? Is it IBM? Is it the trunk line where IBM's network connects to one of the major routers on the Internet? Is it WorldCom or GlobalCrossing or SBC? Maybe ICANN? And so on. Secondly, you need to be aware that some smaller ISPs do share network blocks. For example, company A might service business customers whereas company B serves residental customers. But whenever someone connects to either company A or company B, they get an IP address from a common pool. Probably the best solution (at this time) is to get the client to send you email. Then you can parse the email to determine what is in all probability their ISP. In this case, if I sent you email from [email]theDavid@hypothetical-email-address.att.com[/email], you can sorta guess AT&T is my ISP. Excellent, you found a fellow dumbass to quote on the internet. Bravo. |
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Prokofy Neva
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05-14-2005 20:49
From: someone No, it didn't, it spoke about how one site's programming allowed other users to view the account info of other customers by changing a few characters in the site's URL - most likely some unique identifying number in the URL tied to a specific account.
This has nothing to do with IP addresses. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. An IP address (Internet Protocol address) is a unique number, a kind of telephone number, used by machines (usually computers) to refer to each other when sending information through the Internet. This allows machines passing the information onwards on behalf of the sender to know where to send it next, and for the machine receiving the information to know that it is the intended destination. An example IP address is 207.142.131.236. Converting to such numbers from the more human-readable form of domain addresses, such as www.wikipedia.org, is done via the Domain Name System. The process of conversion is known as resolution of the domain name.
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05-14-2005 20:51
From: Prokofy Neva in his signature
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05-14-2005 20:51
From: Eboni Khan Excellent, you found a fellow dumbass to quote on the internet. Bravo. If I could just stop laughing long enough.....oh shit, i'll post later rofl |
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05-14-2005 20:52
From: Schwanson Schlegel I just wanted to see what 33,000 characters look like at size 7. It looks something like this...
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05-14-2005 20:54
Juro, This article, which any educated person, including myself, can understand, explains the somewhat complex, but ultimately graspable concept of the IP, the ISP, and how they are related, and how one can be accessed with the other. http://www.searchlores.org/fiatlu/ip.htmlIntroducing the IP (Internet Protocol) Whatґs the IP? The topic of IP is a complex one, and here we can only touch on the basics. The reader is actively encoureged to research on their own. For the sake of simplicity, we will say that the IP number is very much like a phone number, identifying EVERY computer ON the Internet with a specific number, UNIQUE TO that particular computer. The IP address is to the computer as your fingerprint is to you: it is unique, such that there cannot be two computers with the same IP address. IP Internet addresses are 32-bit (4 bytes) long logical numbers, normally written as 4 bytes or octets (in decimal form) using the numbers 0 to 255 and separated by periods, e.g. 128.24.206.18. Althought 8 bits have 256 possible combinations, the 0 and 356 are reserved. Both networks, hosts and clients can only use 0 through 254. Originally, addresses were broken into classes-A, B, C and the IP addresses were assigned by InterNIC (internet Network information Center) the agency responcible for Internet addressing and managment, and is currently owned by Network Solutions. The class system is no longer in use, but it still can provide an easy way to describe the networks. The first octet or byte is the class. Anything sent over the internet needs a 1. specific origin and 2. a specific destination. For this reason, every computer must have it's own IP address. The IP information is placed in the header of the data being transferred to ensure correct forward and return data transmission. So Watch your Trail! Since your IP is attached every time you request a page, that IP address is sent to the page that you are browsing (along with a LOT of other personal information). What OTHER personal information?..Just about everything about your computer- the OS, the name of your computer on the Net(from Net BIOS), (to check the name of your PC on the Net, do the following: find your Network Neighborhood Icon, select Properties, then the Identification tab. Right there is your computer's name, which could have been set by some other piece of software. Change it to something else, click on ok. I believe you'll have to reboot your computer before the change takes affect) your email adrress, the Time, the Date, Browser Type, Referer from(where you came from or the last web page before the current one even silly things like your screewn resolution, ets, ets For more info on what information your browser sends out read the The Secret Life of your Web Browser Revealed! FAQ . All this info (IP address + everything else) can be recorded by the host site through Java/Javascript, a counter, . The newest idea is to include a counter one pixel wide hidden inside an image to grab your IP number. Some Bulletin Boards even post your IP along with your post, making it available for anyone to see. This is why we recommend using an anonymizer OR proxy whenever surfing the web, and especially when browsing unknown sites or posting to boards. See the next section (- Anonymous Surfing) for more information on using anonymizers. Hotmail and other "anonymous" mailers send your IP in the header of your message. We suggest that you use an anonymous Remailer to send e-mail, and include your hotmail address ( or other mail address not associated with your own ISP) in the message if you want a reply. One good Remailer can be found at: http://www.gilc.org/speech/anonymous/remailer.html. For more Remailers, ideas, read Proxies and where to find them, Remember that its best too err on the side of caution. The fewer that see your IP, the better. Static vs. Dynamic IP's The IP may be Static or Dynamic. A static connection means that your computer has one specific IP address assigned to it, and keeps that number irregardless of whether you are logged on or off the local network or the internet. A dynamic IP means that when you log onto the network, your ISP (Internet Service Provider) assigns you the next available IP address from its bank of available addresses. That address remains assigned to your computer until you log off. The next time you log on to your ISP, you will most likely have a different IP number. The ISP computer writes in its internal log file "at hour xxxx date xxx the user xxx is using the xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx account". Dynamic IP's are used by nearly every ISP. The reasons for this are simple. First, with more and more people accessing the internet, many with multiple accounts, there would be a shortage of available IP addresses if everyone had there own. Also, assigning each computer a static IP would tend to make a mess for the backbone routing systems, causing fragmentation, and a great loss of efficiency of routing, resulting in longer transfer times. DNS (Domain Name System) You know how you can just type www.microsoft.com for example and you will be connected to them. Well this is accomplished with the Domain Name System - DNS where an name is mapped to a particular IP address, since it is easier for us humans to rememeber a name than a string of numbers. This adress name sets itself together from all other names. As an example IP adress 129.206.100.126 this is the combination for the ftp.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (university - heidelberg - germany) On the left site ever stands the PC name in this example it is "ftp" this name could be any other name too.The administrator sets it up. The next is "urz" this keeps all the PC's in the calculating mashine center together. Followed by the domain "uni-heidelberg" that keeps all the PC's from the whole university together. And at last "de" it's the "top or level" domain for all PC's in Germany. What about the ISP logs? Okay, so now your ISP has a log of who is logged in under which IP number at any particular time. They also maintain a log of data transfers, logging each transfer of information, the originating IP, and the destination IP. So it might seem a routing process to do a search of the logs and find any illegal activity, and associate it with the exact computers involved. So why do the ISP's maintain logs of all internet activity? Mostly for the purpose of debugging. If the ISP servers develop a problem or they crash, technicians may scan the logs to determine if a particular transfer was involved with the problem. Now consider a normal day surfing the web. In a normal day I can download/upload 2000 or 3000 files (the gifs of the pages, the wallpapers, etc. etc.). Now if the ISP has 10000 or more clients (normally an ISP needs at least 10000 users to survive)that results in: 10000 x 3000 = 30,000,000 operations in a day. Every line has 128 lines (or bytes) = 3.840.000.000 bytes... wow! The logs takes 3 Gigas from the disk !!!  and I dont know an ISP who will waste this much memory for more 3 days. Consider also the amount of time and money it takes to go through those logs looking for something that the ISP doesn't want to find in the first place. The Dangers... However, if a federal agency has a search warrant with probable cause, they have the authority to demand a search of the logs. If the logs for that time period are available, they can trace that data transfer to you. If almost anyone else gets your IP address and tries to identify you, they have practically no chance of doing so. Your biggest danger is if you are using a computer at work, at school, or in a public library. They keep their own logs, which are usually much smaller than a regular ISP. They also have more incentive to search their logs, to keep their image clean, and keep an eye on the activities of their employees/students. We recommend that you do not use such computers for any questionable activity.
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05-14-2005 20:57
Um, Prok? You do of course realize that everything in that article confirms what everyone has been telling you and just makes you look even more idiotic... right?
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05-14-2005 20:58
From: someone Asshat From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Asshat is a slightly more trendy and less severe variation of asshole, graphically describing someone who has his "head up his ass" (i.e., not knowing what's going on), or a variation of "butthead." In the former sense, it is suggested that one is "wearing one's ass for a hat", or alternately, "a hat for one's ass." A more modern usage of asshat describes a person doing something stupid, and can apply to anyone: "the boss is up to asshattery because he broke the computer even though he knew he was doing the wrong thing." The word is popular in many online communities, serving as a more palatable version of its antecedent. According to Google's Usenet statistics, the word only saw a token appearance every day or two starting in July, 1999, but following a slow rise in 2002, it entered popular usage in May, 2003. The pejorative was popularized by its use on online community Fark.com and in various Internet Relay Chat communities. Also a term used in Massive Multiplayer Online games to describe sitting your character on the head of a dead character; "Bob Killed Fred then he Asshated him ROFL." December 20, 2002 saw a graphical representation of an asshat in the online comic /usr/bin/w00t ( http://www.w00t-comic.net/20021220.html), whereafter it was used frequently to represent customers who annoyed the technical support personnel. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asshat
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