Calling on mere tourists, users, consumers, players etc. to boycott MJW

One thing actually bothers me about Secondlife, the people who are supposed to be the most successful are the ones who innovate and create 'cool stuff' etc. Then why land barons are successful. Think about it, they didn't create the land, they didn't exactly innovate anything about selling land...

Isn't a land baron in a sense, a crime against Secondlife?

And now we're talking about giving these people who, don't innovate, create etc. even more power because they have more land? Right...

Edit: Corrected spelling.

Ash, you're right that a resident shouldn't have any form of advantage just for holding a lot of land. But I think what you're completely missing is the work done by "land barons". There IS something provided to their customers. Does it justify the profits they make off it ? That's only said customers' problem I say.

I don't know about a crime, Ash, but I've noticed a fascinating dichotomy in the philosophy of big land resellers. On the one hand they've always said their profits from a fundamental game resource are justified because of the financial risk they take. But they've also argued that Linden Lab should act to protect land prices and therefore their investment. Hence the Justice League underoos

Coco, are you blind?? Or do you seriously not read the things people are talking about. You did see where Anshe states: "Anshe Chung: This is what we feel makes us stakeholders. More like you and in contrast to e.g. merely tourists, users, consumers, players etc."

Gah. Your blind faith is scary.

It's not faith Pen.

She acknowledged the issue in a group IM yesterday. She just refuses to address it here for damage control purposes.

Which is why I have decided that there is no point in pursuing the matter any further.

That is my point, they are getting rewards for doing something that isn't exactly innovative or creative. Sure, it might be difficult to maintain at times, and then something that is provided to their customers?

I can only come up with one:

- Land at a higher price for their profit.

But, feel free to reveal any other points. I honestly cannot come up with other points (you can call me unimaginative).

Look Nolan, you don't get to crawl into my mind and decide what I'm going to think.

Half the "frustration" some posters on here feel is because they absolutely cannot, for some unfathomable reason, get another person to see things as they do.

And if that other person doesn't, well then, that other person MUST be obtuse, or a liar, or dishonest, or any of the things you have called me.

It just doesn't work that way. And I wouldn't respect anyone for whom it did.

coco

The group has already become a power grab by the anti-FIC paranoiderati ranterati pernicious elite... OMG, they had a meeting with the Lindens! Its so unfair that some have an "inside track" and get treated favorably by the Lindens, getting FAVORS done when they request it, like meetings and use of the Linden Recruitment Center in Waterhead! OMGWTFLOL?!!?!

Wow, that shoe fits quite nicely on the other foot. Its a shame, I was hoping this group would be a good start to more open lines of communication between Linden Lab and SL's residents, but its already been terrorized into becoming a pernicious soapbox for the pernicious ranterari. I think Anshe's intentions were good for starting this, but its already beyond the control of anyone but one of the pernicioius officers. And that's sad.

-Flip

I'm not the only one who didn't see what she said in the way you and Nolan and others did.

coco

OK, yes. For the viewing audience, this is the problem right here. People think what Anshe does is a crime. It's not physical content so it must not be good.

Ash is only saying outright what many others believe.

And what is going on here is, some people hate Anshe. It's as simple as that. I don't.

coco

As has been pointed out in another thread here, they deal with the distribution of land to users in the place of LL. Long ago Lindens would create new sims, divide the land in parcels, set them all for auctions, and transfer the land to buyers, etc... Now it's up to "land barons" to buy whole new sims that LL adds to the grid, dividing it in parcels, etc...

So in a sense they are in the same position as *-Mart regarding producers. But it's like many other service businesses, if they start abusing this position, yes they will be labeled "evil", and rightfully so. Convince me that they are and I'll bring my fork

Actually this brings an interesting thought: LL has given up their position on land business in favor of those people, very much to the opposite of what they did with currency exchanges. Funny that. Maybe that's why they are pushing for more "protection" now, for fear that LL one day takes it back ?

I believe I said here yesterday, and more than once, that my definition of stakeholder is not equivalent to your interpretations of what Anshe said.

So much for addressing it here.

And I addressed it in the group IM for obvious reasons - her comments about stakeholders is the single biggest cause of the outcry on the forums.

Or - it's what people have latched ONTO for their source of outcry.

Tell ya what, Anshe has been a heck of a lot nicer to me than bunches of you are here. I don't know about you, but that cuts a lot of mustard with me, and probably does for a lot of other people, too.

So I doubt her land business is gonna crumble any time soon.

coco

Yeah I am familiar with your technique of repeating the same things over and over for months in hopes to persuade people to you viewpoint. Is that you pot?

I am asking you for your interpretation of what she said.

I am asking you how she wasn't representing your group when she took the floor and started the meeting, then explained what your group is about, what it wants, and how it expects to be viewed.

When you refuse to address these questions a multitude of times, and simply change the subject by talking about how upset you are about GOM, or some other non-sequitir, you force me to come to my own conclusions.

Wow, way to miss the point here maybe ?

I agree that the FIC/antiFIC aspect is ironically delicious But I personnally have no problem with people contacting Philip directly and exposing their views. What I react strongly against is that they pompously declare that using a group and these "democratic" methods of communication are the only true "just" way to dialog with LL.

LALALA CANT HEAR YA.

I can give you my interpretation, but it has already been articulated better by others.

Basically, she is saying we have money invested here, we have businesses here, and it needs to be more real-world to support those businesses - we need to have a say in decisions that affect those businesses.

And I might add - when Lindens come to endorse one friend's business as a special favor - well, that's gotta go.

I'm not trying to give you short shrift here, and I hope I haven't. But I'm going to a scrapbook convention now and will be out of pocket for the rest of the day.

Because yes, there is more to life than just SL and the justice or lack thereof therein! lol

coco

He is satirizing what Prokofy would have said, I wouldn't take him so literally.

I don't hate Anshe as a person, I dislike what Anshe is doing however and I am not specifically targetting Anshe, I'm talking about land barons in general.

But please, you make it sound like what land barons is doing is good for some reason? But everytime I look at what is going on, I cannot find anything particulary 'good' about it. It seems to me that the consumer some how gets screwed in the end.

To me the concept of how land barons work on Secondlife does not fulfill creativity or innovation, which is really the ideal you could say of Secondlife.

However, please, show me evidence that my views are wrong. I'm a logical person. I do change my opinions about things. I do make mistakes about my conceptions of things.

Emphasis mine of course. Nice power-grabbing there.

I think you missed the sarcastic tone my post was meant to take. I'm all for people contacting Philip, I was merely pointing out that it doesn't take "connections" or a "special inside track" to be in touch with the Lindens. Some repeatedly claim you have to be FIC to have the Lindens ear - I was merely pointing out how ricockulous this assertation is.

I still think Anshe's interests were good in starting this, even if it was a move towards self preservation (who can blame her for that?) - but it quickly got derailed by everyone's favorite inane/insane ranter.

-Flip

HAHAHA!

Aww sorry, my bad It's hard to convey such a tone through written media, and even harder to get it right from reading it...

Ok. Honestly. What does this statement say to you Coco?

"Anshe Chung: This is what we feel makes us stakeholders. More like you and in contrast to e.g. merely tourists, users, consumers, players etc."

I'm honestly curious as to me there is only one way to take it. So I'm at a loss to understand what you are seeing. Can you explain to me so that I understand where you are coming from?

If this is what you believe, then no wonder you won't listen to others viewpoints. Again, another reason not to join this group due to the fact that the officers would not bother to listen to anything counter to what they want to hear.

Not to mention, she tells us we "don't get to crawl inside her mind and tell her what she thinks" - yet - she gets to do just that in reverse, and tell us that we "hate Anshe".