Calling on mere tourists, users, consumers, players etc. to boycott MJW

i would have to agree with boycott. The statements that were made were totally unreal and uncalled for. Just because one owns land for the soul purpose of of reselling it, is helping SL move along? In what way? How? I don't see the benefit to SL as a whole rather than self indulgeance.

AMEN...the members would pay so much less if they were able to acquire it directly from LL, but when a new sim is released it is almost immediately purchased parceled and posted for sale at a much higher rate....not helping the community at all.

Yeah, Apparently middle manning (Parasiting) the system to death makes one wiser than the rest of us and instills some sort of sublime insight into what is good for the other 99.999% of us.

Screw that noise.

Thanks for saying this Chip. I agree on all but the direct motives. Yet, this is definitely about self interest. The thesis of this group is poorly placed, and if anything, this is a good lesson on what not to do.

Still, I have my bone to pick with all parties involved, for other reasons. The top of my list is the fact we are learning of this after the fact in what is becoming a trend for Big Issues.

As for the current membership of the group, some of us are on the roster to watch with a wary eye, as opposed to following the party line. I would advise no less while this group remains in existance and the issues relevant.

Personally I thought the condescending tone towards what amounts to the majority of the people/players in Second Life quite telling.

The whole 'all animals are equal but some are more equal than others' tone is certainly nothing new.. I was amazed that they now come out and say it, and glad that others could see it.

The funny thing is that the people they assume they are better than, are the people who put them in their imagined position. Folks have woken up and are smelling the coffee, and I think thats pretty funny.

As for me - well I've never done biz with Anshe (for my own reasons), and I've never bothered to meet Prok in world - I have no need to. I build what I want and need, as this is what I enjoy doing.. on the occasion that I want or need something I cannot produce myself - I buy straight from the creator.

I have no need for middlemen nor land peddlers - so for me its biz as usual.

You have LL to thank for this issue.

Knowing that there was one major individual purchasing up all the sims, investing thousands of dollars in the land market, they chose to allow the fraud of unpaid monthly tiers to continue while the purchase of additional sims to be permitted.

They are in bed with this land holder. Who now demands that some sort of LL policy be written for "major stakeholders" so that she can be assured that no losses of her income occur.

She created a partnership with LL, with no contract, no blessings from King Philip and no assurances. Just a good, solid monthly income from holding all the land and reselling it. On the same token, LL was relieved not to have to spend the time to parcel the land, mark it for auction, transfer the smaller plots to the new owners, etc. etc. The large landowner did all of this work for LL without a contract and without assurances.

With allowing large sim purchases to occur, a LOT of abuse reports, land reselling issues, lost income, etc. were averted. New residents were sent to "predefined living areas."

I'm awaiting the threats of pulling out and either a) selling all the land and/or b) not paying the monthly tier bill and leaving a few hundered av's without rental land. Based on previous business ethics and exposure -- this may happen.

you are all just jealous. Land Barons provide valuable service!

(Especially since LL decided that they were the only ones who should be able to buy land direct any more. Of course, I'm being obtuse. Of COURSE you can buy land for yourself. It's as simple as buying a sim, tiering up to $195 for the month, cutting out the 1024m you want then trying to sell the other 64k.)

I'm just giggling at the reality that started out as cyb0rsex services to tourists has now jumped her into the bedroom of the King.

Actually, I have an issue with any customer of this product thinking they deserve more attention or better treatment than another. I don't care if they decided to buy 200 sims, a company that would treat them better than me is not a company I would choose to continue paying money to... I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

If there are 'concerns' that aren't being heard, the answer isn't to ask for a Star Chamber, sorry.

And frankly, the whole 'we want to protect everyone else' was the first and best sign that there is more afoot here than philanthropy. Of course, any one with a sliver of common sense knew that when they say the founder's name.

Oh, sorry, we're not supposed to notice things like how some people never quite manage to care the same for others as themselves. My bad.

Hey, it's a success story! Worthy of international news stories! Stop being so bitter! Screw your own way to the top! After just a couple months of hustling, you too can start acquiring land and selling it for beaucoup buXx0rZ!!11!!!

Me, I am just going to keep on with my biz of taken lewd afk shots of avatars and then blackmailing my way to the top of the leader boards! i r teh TROUSER SNAKE BARON!

This group clearly is biased towards land barons. I believe the appropriate action right now is to formally setup two other factions - "Feted Inner Content Nazis" and "Worthless Tourists".
That is the only way we can ever hope to achieve fairness in representation.

More like "Content Jews".

Oh and Eggy, I got your IM, and I haven't heard from Maerl in quite some time, Abby Dawson may have more info.

Yes, it's great for press releases to the business/gaming communities of how much money can be made in SL if you really work hard. Just like the press releases that garnered GOM so much publicity as being the first gaming money trading company to have created the software and have the gaming company's blessing to do so.

One down, one to go.

"Still, I have my bone to pick with all parties involved, for other reasons. The top of my list is the fact we are learning of this after the fact in what is becoming a trend for Big Issues."

We learned after the fact that it was going to be a big issue.

coco

All I can say, April, is I'm not a big land owner either, or a rich AV, or anything else like that, and my input is not valued less.

I have a stake in the game, too.

coco

Yeah, but you've been filling Prok's FIC-suspectin' shoes in his absence, so it's a little different from other people with smaller land holdings.

Anshe is incapable of seeing injustice and wanting it to end because she is a large landowner?

I think not.

And you are leaving out some of the officers there.

coco

I agree with you entirely on that statement.

But that isn't what Anshe is asking for.

coco

Exactly, Lynn.

That's half the point.

One down and one to go? Did you LIKE seeing GOM go? (Or more accurately, what happened to GOM, since it hasn't gone anywhere?)

I did not.

coco

Read my signature. She is asking that at the very least herself and Prok (prok echoed the sentiments to a point), and apparently others who also hold lots of land (who are for "justice", be treated more like Lindens than "tourists", "casual users", etc. It's blatant elitism, which you (especially you) and others involved with your group have loudly preached against.

The fact that you simply refuse to acknowledge or address this tells me that either:

A) You are ignoring it.

or

B) You have limited reading comprehension skills.

Having talked with you at length in-world on a few occasions, and gaining what I think is a little knowledge of your abilities, I think that it is definately not B.

So tell me, why do you refuse to acknowledge that one of your founding officers is an elitist?

Why can't you see how this effects the credibilty of the entire group?

Afterall, you said in another thread yesterday, "this is a group made up of likeminded individuals".

What gives?

No, thats true. It wasnt really a request, it was more a statement of her opinion that she feels she is more important than us tourists, and as such LL should offer them certain guarantees.

Oh wait. Thats basically the same thing. n/m.

You are either a liar or simply too niave to be believed. Hard to say, which.

How what affects the credibility of the entire group?

Everyone knows Anshe owns a lot of land. That doesn't mean she can't have logical and admirable ideas about justice.

That ALSO doesn't mean she is unwilling to work with likeminded individuals who have a stake in SL but DON'T own lots of land, or lots of anything, and never will - like me.

And anyone else like me who agrees with the basic principles of the group.

I saw what happened to GOM - it concerns me, and I don't have anything to do with GOM, or know any of the people who run it.

I also see what happens in this supposedly game-that's-not-a-game, but in many aspects, is both less fair than a game and less fair than real life.

THOSE are the issues.

You know, you can read Anshe's comments any way you wish, but then, so can I, and I don't read them the way you do WHATSOEVER.

coco

What the heck does any of that non-sequitir garbage have to do with what I asked you? Anshe owns land yeah we know, GOM has troubles yeah we know. Again, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

You know what Coco? I find your abject intentional evasiveness extremely tiresome.

SHE PREFACED THE MEETING WITH THE LINDENS WITH THAT ELITIST STATEMENT, among others!

She WAS representing your group to LL. She used the word "we". In fact she used the word "we" TWENTY-ONE times when explaining YOUR GROUP'S stance to the Lindens present.

Screw it. You're just going to play this game. You once told me once a friend, always a friend, well, "friends" don't play intentionally obtuse games like this.

Good grief!

Well, you know the Thieves Guild's motto: "Even when caught red-handed, deny."