The Death Penalty Exists For People Like This

OK, you just don't get any moral high ground, then. Happy with that?

I won't lose any sleep over it.

-Kiamat Dusk

As long as it isn't a fetus, Kiamat is ok with killing innocent people in the name of justice, apparently.

Yes, because as we established at the beginning of this thread, Kiamat is NOT pro-life, only anti-abortion.

First of all-I never said that. I just said I could live with it if one was accidentally killed. I think it's worth the risk.

Second of all-a person receiving the death penalty has the benefit of a trial-something a fetus lacks.

Death row inmate: rarely innocent
Fetus: always innocent

Of course your conscience doesn't seem to bother you with your stand that killing an unborn child is perfectly ok, but killing someone who has been tried and convicted by a jury of his peers and sentenced to death for some heinous sex crime-well they have a right to life!

-Kiamat Dusk

My bad.....

I've been through it. The death of the perp would in no way heal me.

I have, too, Kendra and those are my feelings exactly.

As I have stated repeatedly, I believe abortion should be safe, legal and extremely rare. Nothing would make me happier than if no woman ever had to have an abortion again. Pro choice does not equal being pro abortion.

It bothers me a great deal that an innocent person might be put to death accidently. Even one innocent person being executed is too much for me.

I work in the Dept of Corrections. The Death Penalty costs WAY more than it's worth. And there is such a thing as life in prison with no possibility of parole. I see inmates with 999 year, 99 month, 99 day sentences all the time. No way you're getting paroled with that many years, nor are you likely to accrue even 10 years of gain time, much less 900 years. But ,if you are innocent and wrongly convicted, there's always the possibility that the truth will come out and you will go free.

Also, being on Death Row gives you many more "perks" in prison than life w/o parole. DR inmates get cable tv, take-out food once a week (delivered to them, obviously) and many other priveleges simply because they have to be treated humanely before we kill them. Oh, and if you're in poor health, you won't be put to death either. You have to be healthy to have your sentence carried out. Speaking as an insider to the prison system, I'd much rather get the Death penalty, because you get treated much better while you serve your time and it's highly unlikely you'll ever have your sentence carried out.

:::hugs:::

You know, killing one person is enough to get somebody on death row. How come one mistake isn't enough to stop capital punishment? I guess you have a pretty iron-clad conscience over there. How many innocent people would your policy have to kill before you started thinking it was a mistake? 100? 1000? 10000? 100000? A million? Let's have a number.

Kiamat believes people lose their innocence after they're born.

One more time for the cheap seats...swift and painless and cheap. I don't see why you guys get off the hook using "safe, legal, and rare" with innocent, unborn children, but when it comes to convicted felons it's all about "well what if?" Why do convicted felons get more benefit of the doubt than clearly innocent unborn children? Felons get the benefit of a trial-all the fetus gets is its mother acting as judge and jury.

I think the death penalty should remain safe, legal, and rare. I personally hope that the day will come when the death penalty won't be necessary.

How about it? You could be pro-choice. While you wouldn't execute someone yourself you believe the state should have the right to choose.

And, no, Kendra, I don't believe a person loses their innocence once they're born. I believe they lose it once they are convicted. And I certainly believe it once they are caught molesting an 18mos old toddler on film. A far better shake than the unborn get.

-Kiamat Dusk

No one is arguing against abortions for women who need them. It's the women who want them that are the issue. And, yes, pro-choice is equal to being pro-abortion. It's like being sorta pregnant. Try applying the pro-choice argument to any crime and see if it holds water.

Murder: While I wouldn't drown my kids in the bathtub, and I certainly wouldn't encourage anyone else to do it, I think it's a private decision that is the mother's alone to make.

-Kiamat Dusk

No, it's not.
By that logic, being pro-capital punishment is necessarily the same as being pro-murder.

But it would prevent him from putting another woman through the same horror. But then you're not thinking of other women, only of yourself...oh, and the perp.

-Kiamat Dusk

Sure, I suppose it does....in your parallell universe with the bearded Kirk and Spock...yeah...I could see that...

-Kiamat Dusk

Excellent mindreading!
You're not thinking of the criminal's family, who are as innocent as the victim's family. But then again, you clearly care only about bloodthirsty revenge, not justice.

Funny when I use your insane logic against you, it's insane. Wonder why that is.

I agree, the death penalty is there for a reason, let's make better use of it.

I say all crimes are now punishable by death.

There's no reason to waste money on reform since we all know nobody can be reformed, once a bad apple always a bad apple.

All the way down to speeding, red light running, illegal parking, spitting on the sidewalk and not cleaning up after your dog, all get the death penalty.

I mean it's simple, if you don't want to die you won't break the law, right?

And just like the current Zacarias Moussaoui trial has shown us, not reporting evidence of a crime is a crime. So everyone that hears about anyone who plans to break the law, or witnesses a crime and doesn't report it is also subject to death.

I think it's a great idea, don't you agree?

shows what you know. Kirk didn't even have a beard. Just Spock and even that was just a goatee.

I cannot believe you just used that argument. And, guess what, Andrea Yates is currently sitting on death row for doing just that....even though she is certifiably insane. I'm glad she's getting a new trial, not that I think she should be free, I just don't think an insane woman should get the death penalty.

::hugs back::

Why don't you kill everyone Kiamat?

You do know that Andrea Yates is a VERY ill woman, right? Before you tell me I think she should go free, etc, etc... I don't. She should be in jail or a mental institution with no chance of getting out.

*Let's see if he actually reads the last part or will he just attack me?*

Oh, why not? After all, until recently we could apply it to mentally retarded juveniles, and one of the most execution-mad states - Texas - doesn't even have a public defender system.

Yes, you read that right. No public defenders. What's the result of that? Well, here's an account of one capital case from the Houston Chronicle:

Seated beside his client - a convicted capital murderer - defense attorney John Benn spent much of Thursday afternoon's trial in apparent deep sleep.

His mouth kept falling open and his head lolled back on his shoulders, and then he awakened just long enough to catch himself and sit upright. Then it happened again. And again. And again.

Every time he opened his eyes, a different prosecution witness was on the stand describing another aspect of the Nov. 19, 1991, arrest of George McFarland in the robbery-killing of grocer Kenneth Kwan.

When state District Judge Doug Shaver finally called a recess, Benn was asked if he truly had fallen asleep during a capital murder trial.

"It's boring," the 72-year old longtime Houston lawyer explained.

Court observers said Benn seems to have slept his way through virtually the entire trial.