The Death Penalty Exists For People Like This

Well, that's pretty heartless. So you don't care how many innocents are murdered, then? It makes no difference to you? I'll alert their families.

Even with the re-write, that showed your true feelings.
Well, despite your manipulation of language for propaganda purposes, I define a human being as one who can live outside the womb. That means I'm opposed to third-trimester abortions, but if they require the mother's sustenance to continue developing, I've no problem with that. I am also decidedly not pro-abortion. I believe society should do whatever it can within current law to limit the number of abortions - provide birth control, have effective pre-natal care, have effective adoption services, and educate young adults on all options available to them.
Meanwhile, the anti-choice side manipulates science and language so they can reach their ultimate goal: banning all abortions.

No, I actually answer questions and accusations. Found a cut-off number yet?

I didn't say it gave me extra credibility, I am simply stating that it wouldn't change what happened and I'm good with the life w/o parole option (with chemical castration, Kendra ). I probably shouldn't have even mentioned it.

I also work in a maximum security prison. Prison escapes are pretty rare. County jail escapes are much more common. There are different levels of custody, also. A sexual predator with life w/o parole would be under the maximum level of custody. Could they escape? I guess it's possible, but then, if you're willing to live with the risk of someone innocent being put to death for a crime they didn't commit, I guess I'm willing to live with the very slight possibility that a prisoner might escape.

What part of "never" are you having trouble with?

-Kiamat Dusk

From the International Dictionary of Medicine and Biology.
John Wiley & Sons, 1986. Volume 1.
Baby:
A child between birth and the age of achievement of walking, about 14 months; an infant.


So then you don't have a problem with innocent people being killed?
By the way, I notice yet again you did not respond to any of my other points.

What's the point of chemical castration if they are sitting in prison?

Oh, and the ACLU opposes chemical castration so watch out.

-Kiamat Dusk

So, what is the acceptable level of mistaken executions and what is the correct method for the government to compensate a deceased whose life was taken in error?

In case they "escape"

I'm all for mandatory sentences - when the person who confesses actually did the crime. There are plenty of cases of people accused of child molestation who (on poor advice of counsel) go ahead and plead guilty, even though they really didn't do anything - it was just the girlfriend (or boyfriend) being spiteful.

Case in point: A man was accused by his girlfriend of molesting her children. The children said it didn't happen. The man said it didn't happen. His attorney said he might as well plead guilty because he didn't think they'd be able to win in court (in Florida)... So he did. A few months later, the woman told her entire family at a picnic that she lied - then she blew her brains out in front of them. The man has no recourse. He must register as a sex offender for the rest of his life, even though he didn't do anything.

The only thing you've come out strongly for is murder.

HELLO KIAMAT, ARE YOU IN THERE????

What part of at least a 20 yr sentence with no chance of parole are you not reading?????????????????????? How is that leniant????????????????????

Sally, they might escape.

Oh sorry bout that! I think I need to escape this thread! What's the sentence? Might be death......hmmm....

And of course, those of us who are all for "lenience" for the offenders will welcome them with chips, dip and margaritas....

Well, if we're going to do things based on "mights", then my "they might be innocent" theory carries more weight, unless you don't care if someone is innocent or not.

Actually, imprisoning sex offenders would be a great use for Gitmo. Can we arrange that? That would be awesome.

Being out on bond means you haven't been tried for the original crime yet. Are you for rescinding the "innocent until proven guilty" part of being charged and tried for a crime?

I'm not saying that the crime wasn't heinous. I'm not saying that it's not a tragedy, but if you're arrested for a crime, in the United States of America, you are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

or am I mistaken?

If Kiamat ruled the world, you'd be mistaken

He doesn't rule the world?

Well, not in reality, perhaps in a parallel universe or something...

Chemical castration is useful in reaching the mind of the offender for rehabilative therapy.

As far as the ALCU disagreeing with me? The wonderful thing about being left wing is we don't all feel the need to march in lockstep like the right wing.

In the case of DUI chargers, you apparently are.

Also, can't bail be refused, if the risk of flight is high enough? I mean, honestly, who would've complained if a judge had refused bail in that case?

Demure,

My soul is quite alive, despite having been sexually victimised many times over.

Thank you for your concern.

Hah! So true.

Well, that just sucks. Thanks for the link, Reitsuki.

Don't you people have jobs!? Sheesh! Ok, lemme play catch up here....



If you know who the innocents are who will be put to death already, you need your own hotline!



"Even a premature birth as early as 23 weeks now means a good chance of survival for a baby."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/premature-birth/DS00137

For those of you keeping score at home-that is the second trimester.

And I know from raising two children from birth that they "require the mother's sustenance to continue developing" long after birth.



So what are you doing to ban third trimester (and by your own definition, second trimester) abortions in your state? I'm sure it doesn't have such a ban already since every state that has passed such bans has been challenged by your friends at Planned Parenthood. There was a federal law to ban it as well, but Planned Parenthood took care of that one, too.

..for now.

So what actions are you taking to "do whatever [you] can within current law to limit the number of abortions"?



And that's perfectly sensible. I completely understand the idea of life in prison with no possibility of parole. I can respect that position even if I don't support it in this case. Both positions seek to remove the threat the offender poses. Mine is just gauranteed and, once the capital punishment system is streamlined and more efficient, costs much less.

My issue is while you say this stuff, I don't sense a lot of conviction. I don't see the kind of disgust and contempt for these criminals that I would expect. I don't see the kind of stunned anger that a judge could be so foolish as to give a confessed child molester a light sentence or cheap bail. That's my issue. Aside from that, I can happily agree to disagree.

So, one more time I'm going to ask you: What are you doing to make sure sexual predators get life in prison in your state?



Pay attention! I will never be opposed to the death penalty. I may be opposed to how the system gets people to the penalty or the crimes which are eligible for the death penalty, but I do believe that some crimes are, by their very nature, so heinous that death is the only just response. And I believe that some criminals are so dangerous, that death is the only way to properly remove the threat they pose to society.

If someone is put to death due to negligence by the State, then the State should compensate the surviving family based on what the dead person would earn in a lifetime-like with a wrongful death suit.



From the article:
"Psychiatrists in Yates' original trial testified she suffered from schizophrenia and postpartum depression..."





Well, you were half right...



Certainly not mistaken, but it's not uncommon for judges to deny bail to keep potentially dangerous people off the street until things can be sorted in a court of law. In this case, more prudence from the judge would have kept the resulting tragedy from happening.

Once again, you're more worried about the offender and not the victims. I'm showing disgust for the lack of prudence on the part of this judge and the resulting tragedy and you're going off about innocent until proven guilty and bail.

Well, I think that just about wraps it up for now. I'm off to that other thread...

-Kiamat Dusk