The Death Penalty Exists For People Like This

Well, you're more of a hypocrite, because you only apply your pro-murder, anti-choice philosophy to one choice: abortion, and to one kind of people: criminals. You should be opposed to all choices, and in favor of killing everybody.

OK, if I were speaking, I'd be doing this slowly and loudly.
A fetus is not a person.
Got that?

If you say it is, you're either a liar or a moron, or the United States Senate.

You are so amusing! Don't ever change!

-Kiamat Dusk

Oh, OK. I use your logic, and it's only "amusing". Brilliant, well done.

The death penalty is state-sanctioned revenge.

It's as simple as that.

yup....and a repulsive barbaric practice too.

forget the death sentence

just make people read this thread!!!


ugh

The people involved have been accused, not convicted. If convicted they should be punished to the full extent of the law. What the death penalty or the ACLU have to do with this I don't know. Just another of Kiamat's attempts to blame something, anything on the liberals I guess. Must suck to have the guys on your political end screwing up so much that you have to start threads trying to shift the attention to those pesky liberals.

As for the Justice Department putting internet porn on the top of their priority list, that's just a huge waste of money, time, resources, and not to mention the whole "Congress shall make no law..." thing. Because the big problem in the US is internet porn. Thank God Bush is listening to our phone calls and surfing the net for porn, got to protect us from that...

Yeah, internet porn is actually why the terrorists hate us, too. Never mind that whole freedom and liberty thing.

Exactly --and that's why Osama's niece is attacking us with her fundie islamic version of porn.

I support legal abortion, but I think it's used too frequently and too casually... and the primary reason I support it is because I don't pretend to be wise enough to know the precise moment ovum and sperm become a human being. I would point out that the definition of 'fetus' I'm familiar with extends from the eighth week of pregnancy, 'til birth. There's very little to differentiate a fetus from a newborn, aside from their having been removed from an organic life-support system that (after a standard-term birth) they haven't truly needed for some little time.

In short, legally, a fetus can be a person; it is not legal to euthanize a fetus one week before term (save the existence of grave medical problems, one supposes). Calling people liars and morons because they disagree with you on one of the trickiest of all subjects to pin down is needlessly provocative and aggressive, and betrays a seriously closed-off mindset.

As for my own, personal view on whether a fetus is a person or not... as I said, I don't have the wisdom to dictate to others the right or wrong point of view. For myself, if it were possible for a fetus to become an aardvark or oak tree rather than a human being, I'd have no trouble agreeing with 'fetuses are not people'. I have not seen a woman give birth to an aardvark or an oak tree, though. For me the question is less 'when it becomes a person' than 'when it becomes alive'. It doesn't have the potential to become anything other than a person. As for when it becomes alive, I'm not touching that one. I've seen arguments made for every stage of zygote and fetal development from fusion of gametes to bat mitzvah. I'll leave the real fire and brimstone I'm-right-you're-wrong to people who are convinced of their own inerrancy.

Calling people close-minded is needlessly agressive and provocative; I was just calling it as I see it.

If these people wanted to debate it at their monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, I wouldn't care. It's when they want to apply their so-called "morality" to my body that I protest. Who are they to make my decisions for me? So, to be fair, I should have written that people who want to apply their definition of a human being to public policy are either liars or morons, not people who think a certain thing.

If the people who think it is had their way, a lot of women would die - that's the basic point. Because it wouldn't stop abortions, it would just stop legal, healthy abortions performed by doctors.

So anyone who thinks we should illegalize all abortion cares more about the theoretical people inside a womb than they do the actual American citizen carrying the child. Which is really quite sad, when you think about it.

It's simple really. I don't want the incompetent idiots in Washington deciding who should die and who shouldn't. I don't want the same idiots deciding what medical procedures a person should and and what one's he or she shouldn't have.

These are the idiots who brought us the Iraq fiasco, the new Taliban in Afghanistan, FEMA in New Orleans, and the largest debt in human history. Their idea of good law is the absurdly complicated prescription drug coverage for the elderly. We've seen that they can't be non-partisan, they can't pass simple, intelligent laws, and that they can't be trusted. Anyone who wants to give them more power over the citizens of this country is a fool.

I hate to say this, but it's like "V" says:

"To see who is to blame, you need only look, in a mirror"

I blame the voters (Me included), since in the end they are the ones that decide who is elected to public office.

You've got a point, but do you really think voters have been offered anything but the choice between the lesser of two evils in any recent election? I'm sick to death of the bought-and-sold partisan politics that have replaced any effort by genuine and decent people to act on behalf of the public interest and greater good. USA, Inc. makes me draw up and chitter like Rikki-Tikki-Tavvi, as does the apparently bottomless apathy of the American public.

Or were you suggesting we blow up the White House? 'cause I have my days where I'd be all for that.

No explosives in my future, but I definately do want to see a "none of the above" option on my ballots.

There is also a new initiative headed for the November Ballot in AZ that I like, that says all registered voters in Maricopa county automatically get a ballot in the mail to fill out and mail back. It's not perfect, but I think it would help some with voter apathy.

I think if you molest a child you should get your nutz cut off with a rusty knive.

I think you should, honestly, stop complaining.

There are many alternatives, you could leave the nation (seriously), you could vote for a party or official that goes with your beliefs and rally for them, or you could just stop complaining.

Just saying "This system sucks." and not doing anything about it isn't going to do anything, I'm sorry to say.

Death penalty?

Hnuh.
I disagree.

Death penalty is far too fast. Maybe being fed into a woodchipper, after being locked in a room with the parents of children who were abused, then light the sickoes on fire. Then the woodchipper.

"Hanging's too good for 'em. BURNIN'S too good for 'im! He should be torn into ITTY BITTY PIECES AND BURIED ALIVE!"

Thank you for putting into words what i wanted to say, i totally agree with you

Foolish Frost is right on the money. Using a tragic story like this to further a political agenda is simply disgusting. Further more, you have to love how these "compassionate conservatives" will whine and cry about the ACLU at the drop of a hat like it's some kind of partisan entity. It's the same ACLU that protects the rights of minorites that is also protecting your freedom of speech, freedom to bear guns (though it's debateable that this is even a constitutional right), freedom to stick your christmas trees anwhere you want including the white house (and yes, it's called the White House CHRISTMAS tree and not a holiday tree), you can probably thank you ACLU for that too.

I'm not compassionate.

I know.

Just so we're clear. Most other conservatives I know don't even claim to be, either.

I sure as hell don't. Compassion is putting the prisoner to sleep before ending his life. That's about as compassionate as I get.

-Kiamat Dusk