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Do you consider AV Sex Cheating on your real life Spouse if the flame has gone?

Candy Bijoux
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12-30-2004 11:08
From: Eanya Dalek
I understand how you feel, however; if one goes out in a game and kills monsters; should one feel that they have murdered? Another interesting perspective. I know that there is no emotion behind the monster though nor is it real.

Candy,
Exactly. You can never hope to one day meet up with said monster irl. Although women need to consider that danger too. That some men can be "monsters/predators" that they should beware of.


True..in either case, be careful with who knows your real life information.
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12-30-2004 11:13
From: Candy Bijoux
I don't have a Case..never claimed one. Cheating is Cheating..Adultery is having Sex behind your Spouses back.


And therin lies the difficulty of the position.
Cheating IS Adultery to some people.
Perhaps you arent one of them.
An awful lot of people DO NOT make that distinction.

According to your stated stance... is "cheating" not "adulterous behavior"?
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Diamonique Livingston
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12-30-2004 11:15
I have a question. Let's say in theroy that Avie Sex is cheating. Then what about masterbation? In theory your cheating on your signifigate other with another person online. Masterbating is cheating on them also only with yourself. I could be talking mumbo jumbo. :P
Loki Pico
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12-30-2004 11:15
I did not say these things...

From: someone
Cyber Adultery


From: someone
Words can be very powerful, and if you feel that there is cheating going on that takes the love, interest and eroticism elsewhere, then it is cheating. If he/she cannot understand that this is hurting you and your marriage, even with a written ultimatum stating that it's "our headboard or the keyboard," then you have some serious decision-making to do regarding your future.


From: someone
February 2, 1996 HUSBAND SEEKS DIVORCE OVER ON-LINE AFFAIR

BRIDGEWATER, New Jersey (AP) -- A man filing for divorce accused his wife of carrying on a "virtual" affair via computer with a cybersex partner who called himself "The Weasel."

Diane Goydan's relationship with the man apparently never was consummated, but her husband, John Goydan of Bridgewater, claimed the pair had planned a real tryst this weekend at a New Hampshire bed and breakfast.

Goydan filed divorce papers January 23 that included dozens of e-mail exchanges -- some sexually explicit -- between his wife and a married man she met on America Online. The man, whose on-line name was The Weasel, was identified in court papers only as Ray from North Carolina.

In a November 23 message, The Weasel wrote: "I gotta tell you that I am one happy guy now and so much at peace again anticipating us. I love you dearly. XXOOXX."

Goydan is now seeking custody of the couple's two children, ages 3 and 7.

Goydan's lawyer, Richard Hurley, said Mrs. Goydan apparently believed the e-mail messages could not be retrieved, but her husband was able to pull them off the computer and store them on a disk.

That raises some privacy concerns, such as what rights spouses have to each other's communications, said David Banisar, spokesman for the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington.

"If it's a shared computer, then the spouse has equal rights to get on it and share what's on it," Banisar said. But if the husband gained access to her e-mail on line, that could violate her privacy rights, similar to a husband tapping his wife's telephone. "It's still pretty undefined in the law," Banisar said.

The divorce papers do not say exactly how Goydan retrieved the messages. Goydan began saving his wife's e-mail every day after surprising her as she was printing out something on the computer when he came home from work early. When Goydan later switched on the computer, it told him there was something waiting to be printed, and he discovered a message to his wife from The Weasel.

The lawsuit claims Mrs. Goydan promised that day to end [Internet Affair] the relationship but later that night sent The Weasel a message that they had been caught. Weeks later, she messaged: "I just have to learn to be more careful. ... I want so badly to be with you that I am willing to chance it."

Reached by telephone at home Wednesday, Mrs. Goydan said, "You're kidding me" and hung up.


My own thoughts from reading so far...

Does your spouse know that you have cybersex? If not, how would they react if you told them? Is your online roleplaying, fling, romance, affair worth losing your spouse? Legality of it is not important, people divorce over toilet seats being left up.

If it doesnt mean anything and your just going through the motions, why are you doing it? Going through the motions sounds boring, if your going to do it, you ought to at least be aroused and excited about it.

Many people with "open marriages" or at least open communication may both get aroused at a cyber affair siuation. A hot cyber session could lead to some hot lovemaking after the PC is turned off.

It is about honesty and trust with your spouse and cyber partner. Does your spouse know your marriage is in danger? Does your cyber partner know they could be on the other end of breaking up a marriage?

P.S. Im not married.
Heaven Lily
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12-30-2004 11:16
From: Diamonique Livingston
I have a question. Let's say in theroy that Avie Sex is cheating. Then what about masterbation? In theory your cheating on your signifigate other with another person online. Masterbating is cheating on them also only with yourself. I could be talking mumbo jumbo. :P


WOOT U GO GIRL!!!! ;) Good Point Big Sis!
Candy Bijoux
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12-30-2004 11:18
From: Doctor Bombay
And therin lies the difficulty of the position.
Cheating IS Adultery to some people.
Perhaps you arent one of them.
An awful lot of people DO NOT make that distinction.

According to your stated stance... is "cheating" not "adulterous behavior"?


It may be considered cheating by ones Spouse though, if that Spouse claims it's Adultery; and it was not a real life act of Sex, it is his or her opinion and im curious as to what a Court of Law would claim as Adultery pertaining to the real life act of sex not being committed; only a mindset.

a·dul·ter·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-dlt-r, -tr)
n. pl. a·dul·ter·ies
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.
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Bob Bravo
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12-30-2004 11:20
Dr. Bombay: " there should be a rule:
if the content of your sig is longer than the content of your post or reply you cannot click submit."

B more expicit!
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Isis Becquerel
Ferine Strumpet
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12-30-2004 11:23
This poll needs an "other" option. I would think that the most important aspect of any online relationship would be that all parties affected would be aware of the situation. So if you have an online relationship in an online world your spouse and the other person are full aware of your intentions. There are real people with real lives behind these avatars. Lying to your rl spouse is no worse than lying to your sl partner IMHO.

The more appropriate question would be "Do you consider the relationships nurtured in an online environment real?" , "Are your online friends to be treated with less respect and honesty than your 'face to face' friends?", "Should your husband/wife consider avatar sex in the same light as watching porn or writing an erotic fantasy and thereby discount any emotional links?" or "Should he/she consider this a sexual act between two people much like phone sex?"
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12-30-2004 11:26
From: Heaven Lily
WOOT U GO GIRL!!!! ;) Good Point Big Sis!


What point?
If the spouse or mate determines that masturbation is tantamount to cheating, then its cheating.
Your mate defines what is and is not cheating, adultery or adulterous behavior.
It is your responsibility to honor that.
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Candy Bijoux
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12-30-2004 11:30
From: Doctor Bombay
What point?
If the spouse or mate determines that masturbation is tantamount to cheating, then its cheating.
Your mate defines what is and is not cheating, adultery or adulterous behavior.
It is your responsibility to honor that.


Girls, hide your Vibrators!! :D
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Diamonique Livingston
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12-30-2004 11:36
*Hides vibrator in toolshed* :p
Eanya Dalek
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12-30-2004 11:37
"Should your husband/wife consider avatar sex in the same light as watching porn or writing an erotic fantasy and thereby discount any emotional links?" or "Should he/she consider this a sexual act between two people much like phone sex?"

Isis,
I think people don't hope to meet up with the porn actors or phone sex operators irl. But there is that possibility in an online world. I think that emotion can not be discounted as some might like.
Isis Becquerel
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12-30-2004 11:37
Dr...sorry to be a snot, but are you not the person who stated that morality has no place in sl? I am just a bit confused. Afterall your opinion in another thread was that this is just a slice of pixel punnany (or something to the effect). You stated that none of this is real and we should not be offended by the goings on in a virtual environ, but now you state that it is real and spouses should be offended. Maybe you should expound on your own moral boundaries as they pertain to online worlds so that I can either understand you or discount your opinions as reactionary and wavering.

Sorry I just have a problem with those who rack themselves on the morality fence.
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Thomas Sowell

As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
Isis Becquerel
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12-30-2004 11:40
From: Eanya Dalek
"Should your husband/wife consider avatar sex in the same light as watching porn or writing an erotic fantasy and thereby discount any emotional links?" or "Should he/she consider this a sexual act between two people much like phone sex?"

Isis,
I think people don't hope to meet up with the porn actors or phone sex operators irl. But there is that possibility in an online world. I think that emotion can not be discounted as some might like.


I was simply posing the question as being more concise than simply asking "Is Av sex cheating on your rl sig other". However, I do believe I stated that one would have to discount emotional links in order to come to that conclusion....but thank you for reiterating my point.
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One of the most fashionable notions of our times is that social problems like poverty and oppression breed wars. Most wars, however, are started by well-fed people with time on their hands to dream up half-baked ideologies or grandiose ambitions, and to nurse real or imagined grievances.
Thomas Sowell

As long as the bottle of wine costs more than 50 bucks, I'm not an alcoholic...even if I did drink 3 of them.
Doctor Bombay
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12-30-2004 11:41
Luckily neither one of us believes that the vibrators should be hidden.
In fact we shop for power toys a couple of times a year!
Hey, they make me appear to be a better lover and I will take all of the help I can get!
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Heaven Lily
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12-30-2004 11:41
From: Doctor Bombay
What point?
If the spouse or mate determines that masturbation is tantamount to cheating, then its cheating.
Your mate defines what is and is not cheating, adultery or adulterous behavior.
It is your responsibility to honor that.


Awwwww man, there goes my fun for the day, Look at that, all my fun ruined. :(
Eanya Dalek
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12-30-2004 11:44
Isis, Oh yes, I realised that you were posing some good questions and it provoked thought. :)
Paris Cellardoor
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12-30-2004 11:45
From: Tito Gomez
A two part question.

One

When the flame is gone, my wife will be gone, why fool ourselves into staying together? It is not good for either party to be in a relationship you don't want to be in.

Two

Cheating is having a romantic relationship with someone other than your partner. Having sex is just the icing on the cake. If you are having a 'virtual' romantic relationship whether it is on SL, chat rooms, or over the phone, then yes, I would consider it cheating.

Now, if you can openly tell your RL partner what you are doing and he/she truly does not
mind, then I guess you are safe!

- T -


I agree with what you have said Tito. I do think it is cheating if your spouse does not know you are emotionally and intimately involved with someone. I really don't understand those that say it's just a game, but it isn't. When you are emotionally involving your feelings with someone other then your RL spouse you are cheating. Like you said if you are honest with your spouse and you have a mutual agreement to have a relationship with someone in SL then more power to you. But I feel that the majority of relationships the men in SL are having are not agreed upon with their RL spouse or it is just kept a secret from their spouse. Sad but true. But over all Yes it is cheating if your RL spouse does not know.
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Candy Bijoux
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12-30-2004 11:45
Hold up a sign in Protest *Vibrator is my friend, like the Energizer Bunny..it keeps going and going.* :D
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Heaven Lily
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12-30-2004 11:47
From: Candy Bijoux
Hold up a sign in Protest *Vibrator is my friend, like the Energizer Bunny..it keeps going and going.* :D


*replaces batteries* Ok now its gonna keep going and going and going :cool:
Loki Pico
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12-30-2004 11:48
Candy, your straying from your own topic. Thats fine and all, but have you got your question answered? How do you feel about the answers so far?
Diamonique Livingston
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12-30-2004 11:53
*buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz*
Candy Bijoux
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12-30-2004 11:53
From: Loki Pico
Candy, your straying from your own topic. Thats fine and all, but have you got your question answered? How do you feel about the answers so far?


The Poll results are as I expected.
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12-30-2004 11:56
From: Candy Bijoux
The Poll results are as I expected.


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12-30-2004 11:58
From: Isis Becquerel
Dr...sorry to be a snot, but are you not the person who stated that morality has no place in sl? I am just a bit confused. Afterall your opinion in another thread was that this is just a slice of pixel punnany (or something to the effect). You stated that none of this is real and we should not be offended by the goings on in a virtual environ, but now you state that it is real and spouses should be offended. Maybe you should expound on your own moral boundaries as they pertain to online worlds so that I can either understand you or discount your opinions as reactionary and wavering.

Sorry I just have a problem with those who rack themselves on the morality fence.



Nope... no fence sitting here.
I have said it since the beginning of this thread...
What your SPOUSE or MATE determines is cheating... is cheating.
Your only option is either to conduct yourself with regard to their views, or ... cheat.

I sincerely hope you can see where you and your spouse might differ on what requirements would need to be met in order to qualify an act as cheating, right?
So with that in mind, their real world morality governs, or at least should govern your virtual conduct.

Just as in the other thread.... if my wife were to be bothered by my running around taking upskirt pictures online, her morality would, or should, govern my actions. Why? I love her and I submit myself to the give and take of a marriage.
Also, you have to weigh out the repercussions of altering your own belief system.
For instance, if I were convinced that she was an idiot for feeling this way and continued to do so... I would have to deal with the fact I might wake up an her gone, or the bed being on fire, or my penis superglued to my thigh.

Conversely, if someone that cannot set my bed on fire or superglue my penis to other parts of my body goes off on a rant about how upskirt pictures objectify and expoloit women, well I can call them a friggin idiot.
Just like you would be well within your rights to call me a pussy whipped male for loving and being mindful of my wifes views on marital fidelity and the onlie fling.

My views on married sexuality have changed a lot since I was younger.
Been married 20 years this april.
When I was younger I was all hung up on being the ONLY thing my wife needed... EVER.
And I was striving on a daily basis to reinforce that belief.
Now... fffffffttttttttttt.....
As long as she loves me and I am convinced of that.... she can go where she wants, do what she wants, or even WHO she wants as long as she is NOT falling out of love with me and is smart enough to be safe about it and not bring home any disease of the week bullshit.
She on the other hand would shove sharpened bamboo shoots under my eyelids if I was unfaithful.

Therefore I keep my weasel in my jeans.
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