Ban Child Avatars Being Used for Sexual Purposes

Unless you're a qualified sex therapist there by invitation?

ok its this part:

Second. There are people in SL who are role-playing as children engaged in sexual activities. There are no real children involved. While not a Terms of Service violation (no illegal activity) it could be argued that this behavior is broadly offensive and therefore violates the community standards. "Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense strong language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or strong violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M)." If this activity were in public areas (as was the case with the anime images) it would be viewed as being broadly offensive, and therefore unacceptable. What consenting adults do in private, however distasteful others may find it, is allowed under these standards.


Actualy: this one:

What consenting adults do in private, however distasteful others may find it, is allowed under these standards.

So this is all ok as long as nobody sees it..
Now that cant be true I hope?
Are the Lindens alowing Child porn to take place here as long as nobody sees it in the private ot their home? How about the private of their island?

You see my little point..

They should have told us: We are against it 101%

I would consider going back to school to become one, but I am not sure my voice would be heard over those of the armchair variety.

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

If it's nobody elses buisness and nobody is harmed, the lindens are not going to get involved!



No, they shouldn't have.

No, no *I* don't. Because there is no child porn unless minors are taking part, ie, minors participating in ageply, REAL videos, pictures or those which are INDISTINGUISHABLE from the real thing, which SL avatars are clearly not, unless one is trapped in the world of cartoons.

See my little point?

Once more. Two consenting adults in <any avatar> does not equal child porn however weird you or I or anyone else may find it.

Child porn, by definition, has to involve children. And it says in the first paragraph of the same post you quote what action they will take in that instance. "[case one] We have evidence of child pornography or abuse that involves children in the real world (e.g. uploaded images or exploitation of a minor). In this case we will act to protect the child and notify the authorities. The individuals involved, if it's proven the exploitation occurred, will be banned from SL."

Here's a real simple example. I made a prim baby, and for a giggle, unlinked it and set it physical. Is that child abuse? Why not?

Yes I see you point.

For you its ok that ppl have AV child porn.

If LL stated they were against it 101%, it would be irrelevent since it still could not be enforced and I would really fear the backlash of the pitchfork folks busting down the door to every "club" to attempt to enforce this. While I agree that AV child sex is personally icky, and has the potential to desensitise those engaging in it, I believe that LL made the correct call/ruling on this issue.

I saw a glitchless brand fetus-pult once. It was an old joke about a fake MMORPG called Dawn. Ah, the good old days.

http://wiki.onlinegamers.org/index.php?title=Fetuspult

Right... I smell a troll. *plonk*

No, for ME it's not, I don't do it, nor are any ADULT ageplayers in SL. I have already said that I am not interested in ageplay MYSELF.

But I am not going to dictate to other consenting adults behind closed doors. I would like the free world to not become a facsist state.

Your line of reasoning is one step away from the reasoning of individuals who believe that gay, bi, or lesbian sex should be outlawed, and that's some scary shit dude.

You'll never get it I suppose, because your thinking is so impaired by emotion.

So let's just agree to disagree then.

You think I support child porn because I am not a busybody like you who espouses irrational, emotion based fears.

I think you're full of shit.

See my little point?

It's kinda funny. I don't check the forums for a week or so and it's filled with "Does LL support child porn?" or "Child Porn: Pros and Cons".

AVie child sex'n is as much child porn as AVie furry sex is bestality. They aren't really having sex with puppies, they are just making pretend.

Okay, here I go poking my nose where it doesn't belong to offer my 2 cents

Firstly, I can understand why the OP is expressedly offended. This kind of behavior, albeit disturbing, seems to be a growing part of second life. There are*MANY* different preferences people engage in sexually, or within their own social infrastructure, the Gorean Lifestyle is apparently the lifestyle of choice for Second Life, so prominant that I've even recieved inquires from complete strangers asking if I was "Looking for a master."

Also, the Furry population is booming more in second life than in any other virtual medium available to the general public. Complete with hard core animal porn, specially designed animal 'attachments' and entire sims devoted to the movement.

While perhaps not the cup of tea for man, these elements of the second life demographic are quick becoming the Majority. Most specifically, because it's possible, and in no other forum can these individuals express that aspect of their interests, thus SL is the key tool, beyond any chat room or text based roleplay environment to act out those fantasies.

Part of the amazing potential of SL has always been the diverse possibilities, the all inclusive mentality where very little is limited or unacceptable conduct wise. It is naturally presumed all participants are consenting adults isolating their behavior to appropriate areas, in that respect, we must adhere to the old addage 'To each their own.'

Now with respect the OP, I understand your stance completely. Very early on, after the initial release, the inful of intensified sexual content was everywhere, and usually far beyond what you'd see in any top shelf magazine rack. At one point it seemed that SL was beccoming a service soley used by individuals to enjoy different sexual exploits, and for the casual player such as myself, was impossible to avoid. When the Mature sims were implement, it created a definitive content boundary, which ensured all citizens of every persuasion had some control over the content they accessed. I was very grateful for that implementation.

The idea of people playing children AV's and engaging in that type of behavior does fall into Linden Labs Terms of Service if it's isolated to mature sims on private plots. However, in my opinion, what I find most ethically challenging is what kind of mentality it is fostering- or rather, encouraging by deeming pedophelic related acts as acceptable.

I have no complaint with our diverse SL culture, I have delightful friends from all walks of life, from the Gorean culture, the furry culture, friends who are Gay, Lesbian, transgendered I readily support their efforts... but when the likeness of a child is in any way exploited or used for sexual purposes, it's gravely disturbing and I must wonder where the line is drawn. To this extent I don't see this as a matter of political correctness, nor is it a matter of 'oh well it's not hurting anyone...' If this interest is encouraged and protected by Linden Lab as a corporate entity, then it is fueling someone's perdophilic persuasion and their potential to act on it beyond Second Life.

If people are known to be incarcerated for harboring child porn, which is against the law, period, if exploiting children, images of children, or elements that represent children under sexual conditions is explicitely prohibited by Law, then why wouldn't SL adopt this same policy you ask? I wonder the same thing, but I trust them.

As a couterpoint... Yahoo chat once permitted user created chat rooms which literally ran the gamut of your preferred pervisions. Incest, beastiality, snuff films, child pornography, anythign you can imagine. They closed those rooms permenantly, no longer allowing user created roomsspecifically because their venue was being utilized as a catalyst for people to expose and exploit minors by adults in real life. The liability was to great a risk.

It is an interesting topic, and i thank you for letting me share my opinion. Ultimately Second Life is a world in which we do have control over what we participate in, it is still indeed your world, your imagination, we just use it differently than others.

Its perfectly ok to play age.. Its not ok to have av child porn.



We are talking Child porn here.. You compare that with the above? Now thats scary!


ok


ok ok.. good well so why are you responding this way?


yes, your out of line...

Better full of shit then letting shit happen and doing nothing

Define AV Child Porn...I'm still waiting.

Regular SL porn, but with a child character rather then an adult character.

ahhhh --but a child character isn't actually a child.

Yeppers. Or rather, I would think not.

See my reply on the very pointed "for or against" poll.

Can we all migrate to one thread now?

But Child porn is Child porn.

Robin says otherwise. I think I'll go with the high level Linden on this one. Not to mention, and as it has been explained to you a hundred times, there is no child porn taking place.

No, we are talking about adults engaging in age play with avatars that may resemble children.
Your notions are fascist, and if you could see beyong the steam amanating from your ears, you'd see I wasn't making a direct link.

Because you are doing so.

I'll admit, it isn't a polite way of saying I think you're wrong. But that doesn't change the fact I think you're dead wrong.

Yeah. I've heard that line of reasoning before, on FOXNews.

I'm out of this thread after this post. Arguing about it with you is about as fruitful as trying to grow cotton at the bottom of the Marianas Trench.

Killing someone in a video game is just like killing someone in real life.

Ok, sex with Gary Coleman. Child porn or not?

exactly --and pixel bumping isn't child porn, as no actual children are involved --in fact it's questionable that it's even porn.

Yes, GTA, and all it's ilk must be purged.

Same for Half-Life, World of Warcraft, Wolf, Doom, and a million other games.