To clarify the misinterpretations of my stand on this issue, here is a clear statement of my position.
I suggest the Lindens add a rule along with their anti hate rules and ban the use of child avatars in for sexual purposes.
I understand there are individuals who innocently like to regress into child play for whatever reason and I'm not discussing that.
I'd like to see a formal ban on the use of creating child avatars for use in sexual role playing.
It may be difficult to inforce, but it is a statement by the Lindens that SL is not tolerant of the depiction of children as sexual objects for the gratification of adults.
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bella Ophelia
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03-26-2006 21:58
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Torley Linden
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03-26-2006 22:18
bella, I hope this will help clarify LL's position for you:
This is clearly a highly charged issue, and not easy to respond to in simple terms. There are basically two instances here that need to be addressed: First. We have evidence of child pornography or abuse that involves children in the real world (e.g. uploaded images or exploitation of a minor). In this case we will act to protect the child and notify the authorities. The individuals involved, if it's proven the exploitation occurred, will be banned from SL. Second. There are people in SL who are role-playing as children engaged in sexual activities. There are no real children involved. While not a Terms of Service violation (no illegal activity) it could be argued that this behavior is broadly offensive and therefore violates the community standards. "Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense strong language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or strong violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M)." If this activity were in public areas (as was the case with the anime images) it would be viewed as being broadly offensive, and therefore unacceptable. What consenting adults do in private, however distasteful others may find it, is allowed under these standards. If you see behavior that you think falls into the first instance, please contact Linden Lab immediately. In the second case, please file an abuse report, and include the chat logs and/or screenshots you are concerned with. Source _____________________
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Edward Mathys
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03-26-2006 22:29
if people want to fullfilled their secret sexual fantasy they have in real life, in second life. let them.
it's not like they will actually go out and have sexual intercourse with kids in real life because they go "oh wow, i want the real experience now!" _____________________
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Usagi Musashi
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03-26-2006 22:33
I has running a adult themed club, we bad all sort of problems child avies and doing the escort thing. Why doesnt LLabs limited the hight of the avie to stop this problem.
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
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03-26-2006 22:36
I has running a adult themed club, we bad all sort of problems child avies and doing the escort thing. Why doesnt LLabs limited the hight of the avie to stop this problem. Cos I might wanna be a hobbit or something? _____________________
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Elspeth Withnail
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03-26-2006 22:41
Or you might want to be a child. Or a midget. Or you might want to be your actual height in real life... get an avatar height detector, set your avvie to 5'5", then walk around and see how short you are in relation to your surroundings.
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Starax Statosky
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03-26-2006 22:44
Cos I might wanna be a hobbit or something?  It's an idea! I can imagine lots of age-play folk adopting hobbit avatars now. Timmy Tulip:- "I'm not a pervert! I'm a hobbit!! Okay!?.. Now gimme some candy!" |
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Usagi Musashi
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03-26-2006 22:47
Cos I might wanna be a hobbit or something? There is the problem don`t limit the people and their wants just monitor the game more..... |
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Tod69 Talamasca
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03-26-2006 22:54
Lets ban Furries & Yiffer's too!!! Cuz you know they're gonna go out & practice beastiality in RL too!!!
 The internet should come with a warning: "if you get easily offended by anything, please turn back now... or stick to AOL". _____________________
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Torley Linden
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03-26-2006 22:58
Well, there is something I call the "false gun analog"... if someone sees a gun, they likely expect it to behave like one, even if it has a totally different purpose and is scripted to be worn like a hat spouting flowers or somesuch thing. (I know, too much like a pseudo-Videodrome!) Some call for more fantasy in SL and wonder why we have terrain or water at all--but it is a clear dichotomy, one of the wondrous contradictions that I embrace.
Avatars are a powerful form of self-expression. Before Second Life, really, my whole love for watermelon was quite confined and isolated. _____________________
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StoneSelf Karuna
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protect act of 2003
03-26-2006 23:00
from the protect act of 2003
Prohibits making a visual depiction that is a computer-generated image of a minor engaging in specified sexually explicit conduct. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00885:@@@L&summ2=m& yes there was a similar law that was repealed in 2002 the protect act of 2003 was signed in 2003 _____________________
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Edward Mathys
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03-26-2006 23:08
is the problem, people with short avie, or people who act like children that do escort?
either way, i see no problem. it's not like there's actually a children behind those avie. if there IS, then yes, there is a big problem. i think this is just how society see it. everyone hate a pedo, or a pedo-wannabe in second life. _____________________
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bella Ophelia
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03-26-2006 23:08
Thank you Torley, I'm sorry if my reaction to you blocking my discussion was personal. I felt it was a personal attack on an issue very close to my heart. In regard to policy, there was a discussion about what is and isn't tolerated. Is it okay for SL characters to dress as KKK members or in Nazi SS uniforms as long as they don't commit a rl crime? |
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bella Ophelia
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03-26-2006 23:11
Lets ban Furries & Yiffer's too!!! Cuz you know they're gonna go out & practice beastiality in RL too!!! The internet should come with a warning: "if you get easily offended by anything, please turn back now... or stick to AOL". Just answer the question. Are you okay with images of children used for sexual gratification? Be as funny as you like in your answer, but answer it or shut the hell up. |
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Kaboom Pow
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03-26-2006 23:26
Before Second Life, really, my whole love for watermelon was quite confined and isolated.  |
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Usagi Musashi
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03-26-2006 23:34
I see my problem now...I've never liked watermelon. well some time watermelons become sizes of heads on sl as well  |
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Tod69 Talamasca
The Human Tripod ;)
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03-26-2006 23:37
Just answer the question. Are you okay with images of children used for sexual gratification? Be as funny as you like in your answer, but answer it or shut the hell up. Nope! But then you can find the gratification from a Sears catalog easier than SL. My solution to REAL life Pedophilia is unfortunately not allowed by law. Getting off on VIRTUAL porn is... eh, pretty hard-up. So did you just join SL just to whine, complain & crusade or play? I'm having fun watching/reading these threads. And sweety, My fiance was one of the abused kids- mentally, physically and almost sexually, till she mentioned it to her head-shrinker. It's taken 5 yrs to undo alot of that crap. I still have a tire iron with her dad's name on it. So it's ok to have sex with SL Furries then? _____________________
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bella Ophelia
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03-26-2006 23:39
Nope! But then you can find the gratification from a Sears catalog easier than SL. My solution to REAL life Pedophilia is unfortunately not allowed by law. Getting off on VIRTUAL porn is... eh, pretty hard-up. So did you just join SL just to whine, complain & crusade or play? I'm having fun watching/reading these threads. And sweety, My fiance was one of the abused kids- mentally, physically and almost sexually, till she mentioned it to her head-shrinker. It's taken 5 yrs to undo alot of that crap. I still have a tire iron with her dad's name on it. So it's ok to have sex with SL Furries then? i don't care if you have sex with rl furries... i want to see someone care about people making a game out of child sexual abuse... As funny as many of the posters here see the topic. |
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Cristiano Midnight
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03-26-2006 23:39
I just mentioned this in another thread where I fear it will be overlooked. The PROTECT Act of 2003 (the same law that established the Amber alert program) contains a provision making computer generated child pornography illegal - it does not matter if it is computer generated or a photograph of an actual child. As such, this means that any sexual depiction of a child avatar in SL constitutes child pornography by definition of the law.
PS - unlike the previous law which was overturned in 2002, this law remains in effect - it was passed in 2003. _____________________
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Elspeth Withnail
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03-26-2006 23:42
i don't care if you have sex with rl furries... i want to see someone care about people making a game out of child sexual abuse... As funny as many of the posters here see the topic. That's it. You're the second person I've put on ignore on these forums. It's not something I like doing, but when I find myself losing patience just at the sight of someone's name, I figure it's the best course. Seeing you yet again cast yourself as the only person who cares about children... god damn. I really hope you feel better, bella. Hope all the nasty people who've been persecuting you leave you alone. Ciao. |
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Cristiano Midnight
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03-26-2006 23:44
My solution to REAL life Pedophilia is unfortunately not allowed by law. Getting off on VIRTUAL porn is... eh, pretty hard-up. Virtual child porn is not allowed by law. _____________________
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bella Ophelia
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03-26-2006 23:44
I just mentioned this in another thread where I fear it will be overlooked. The PROTECT Act of 2003 (the same law that established the Amber alert program) contains a provision making computer generated child pornography illegal - it does not matter if it is computer generated or a photograph of an actual child. As such, this means that any sexual depiction of a child avatar in SL constitutes child pornography by definition of the law. PS - unlike the previous law which was overturned in 2002, this law remains in effect - it was passed in 2003. Thank you Cristiano. I'm personally agains that law because it is too broad. But I agree with that portion of it... if they can make a simple law without adding BS religious elements, I'd be there supporting it. It is tough to be a thinker in this society... as anyone can see from a lot of these posts, it is much easier just to spew out rhetoric. |
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Cristiano Midnight
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03-26-2006 23:48
Thank you Cristiano. I'm personally agains that law because it is too broad. But I agree with that portion of it... if they can make a simple law without adding BS religious elements, I'd be there supporting it. It is tough to be a thinker in this society... as anyone can see from a lot of these posts, it is much easier just to spew out rhetoric. Having read through the act, I was not aware of any specific religious overtones. It seems to grant authority for establishing Amber Alerts, it changed the length of time that a person convicted of a sex crime can be monitored after release from the maximum of 5 years to allowing a judge to determine the sentence, including a lifetime one, and it makes no distinction between real and virtual child pornography - both are considered illegal. I think the challenges to these types of laws should not be viewed as people being in favor of child pornography or not wanting to protect childen - many people are just adamant about not giving up civil rights in the process - so challenge of any types of these laws to keep them from overreaching is an important part of a Democracy. _____________________
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Persephone Phoenix
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03-26-2006 23:53
from the protect act of 2003 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00885:@@@L&summ2=m& yes there was a similar law that was repealed in 2002 the protect act of 2003 was signed in 2003 This seems to be geared toward pornography that is digitally created to look like a rl child being exploited. I'm honestly not sure that it would prohibit people from having young looking avies who engage in simulated sex. It technically seems to cover it, but it also does not at all seem to be the intent. I am against the idea, mind you, of people playing children in sexual situations. It seems to be playing with fire to me, even if it isn't (or weren't) illegal. However, it also seems kind of silly to jail people for manipulating cartoons that are very obviously not human to roleplay scenarios. (of course one young woman who was sending pics of herself out to chatroom pals was criminally charged with her own exploitation under the above law, so you never know!) irl if I were to put on a school girl uniform and lapdance my BF, would I be subject to legal action? Of course not. Am I subject to legal action for doing it in SL? Apparently, yes. (not that I do, mind you. this is an entirely rhetorical argument.) _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
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03-26-2006 23:54
Virtual child porn is not allowed by law. Very true!! We had to cover that in an ethics class once. From what I barely remember it was quite explicit about what can & cant be seen/done. For a while it looked like they'd be able to make any form of media that depicts adults as minors in sexual situations as Illegal, which would've killed off tons of movies- like Porkey's, American Pie, etc. But I have to agree, playing a child in SL is one thing. Doing it in a sexual way is, as was said, playing with fire. _____________________
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