Ban Child Avatars Being Used for Sexual Purposes

Ok..ok..

1 adult + 1 adult + 1 condom = 2 adults

I once saw a concept drawing for a machine in SL....that did it with something resembling a studded power drill with a vacuum cleaner in teh middle.

Very good job of defining the downside of this very thin line.

So, you're like, a child av skeleton?

Jamba Juice all over the front of my shirt goddamit~!

That's Shakespeare's "Hamlet," not "a widely understood and accepted psychological theory."

And for you to suggest that my concern over child abuse and child pornography is somehow similar to gay-bashers or abusers of anyone is not only highly offensive but says volumes about who you really are. (Obviously not a woman who has ever been abused.)

The disgust over my concern for the welfare of children makes me fear for any children living anywhere near you.

Using your logic, war protesters are warmongers, death penalty protesters are pro-death penalty, anti-abortion protesters want to abort babies, pro-choice protesters want to stop abortion... in fact if someone is passionate about anything, it means they are actually against it... so the pope secretly hates Jesus and mother's hate their babies.

You are brilliant, aren't you?

was this the hat?

They aren't children, for fuck's sake. How many times must you hear that to get that through your skull?

Are you calling Zoe a liar? That's not terribly fair of you.

Actually, bella, the last paragraph in your post is an example of the chaos that is human psychology, as there are as many people in those boats who actually think that way.

Many war protestors resort to violence.
Many death penalty protestors are so because they want the prisoner to suffer.
Many pro-lifers would rather their children disappear than be embarrased when they are caught in an unwed pregnancy, and are against contraception. They will also kill (and have killed) to stop what they percieve as killing.
Many pro-choicers want to stop abortion through contraception and personal responsibility.

I'd say the Pope hates Jesus from time to time, because Papal life isn't easy.
And I've known a few mothers that didn't need to be, because they did hate their babies.

Remember that psychology is a desperate attempt to understand the human mind, not a successful attempt. Nothing is universally accepted as fact.

A million squillion times. It's been proved by scientists.

Great, so we'll be done in about an hour.

Oh irony.

You've labeled people who are on the other side of the fence from you as pedophiles (among other things).

Classic example of being able to dish it but not take it, the difference being Zoe did it in a polite fashion, with intent to provoke thought, you did it to villianize the opposition.

And to answer a question you put to me last night, about asking my mother about it, I did, and she feels exactly how I do about your crusade. In fact, we talk quite frequently about touchy issues like this one because our family was nearly torn apart by some crackpot therapist who convinced my step-sister that my step-father raped her. He has since been cleared 100% and it's taken YEARS to reassemble what there was left of our family. That is but one danger in allowing emotion to dictate one's viewpoint. Those who prey on other's emotions to further an agenda are the disturbed ones IMHO.

My parents are very open minded when it comes to what consenting adults wish to do. Now call them criminals too.

Let me ask you something. Since killing people is against the law, should we outlaw it in SL? While we're at it, should we ban all games with violence toward other players?

I love greefers who go afk.

it's just rude

oh.jessh.fucking.cerrist.on.a.pogo.stick

Bella why oh why oh WHY for the love of god and all that's holy are you still here perpetuating this thread and the other few dozen just like it?

OBVIOUSLY you are the Lone Ranger. Lone becuase you don't even have Tonto by yourside and Ranger because you think you are fighting for the side of good and right.

OBVIOULY you think something very terrible is going on here.

But why torture us with it? We are just a few hundred blokes on a message board. Probably half the people reading and replying on this thread are doing so for the entertainment value alone. The other half disagree with you. Vehemently. You are not going to change their minds. This is clear.

If you truly believe that child avies are the heinous sick evil crime that they are, then your mission is to take your crusade to those that can change it. Don't post here -- bombard Philip Linden with letters! Or Robin. Or someone with a Linden after their name. Write your local police. Call your congressman. Call a congressman or two from California. Tell the local mothers against child porn chapter about the evil that's going on here. I mean shit girl -- if you truly believe this is as evil as what you say it is -- get off your but and do some work.

As was put so thoughtfully and eloquently earlier in this thread. SL does not exist in a vacuum. An adult who gets off having his adult avatar have sex with an avatar that is clearly and admittedly (as in the profile says, I am an 8-year-old boy, like the one I saw) a child, is actively living out a fantasy of child rape. He is getting off on the sexual images he is actively causing to appear on his computer screen. At the same time, he is living in the real world where there are real children who cannot protect themselves if he chooses to take that fantasy a step further.

In game, most people taking part in sexual activites are living out fantasy that they would like to live out in rl... To pretend that it is even slightly possible for a person to get off on watching an adult avatar have sex with a child avatar and not have a propensity for that behavior is moronic.

Shooter games and other fantasy games that include killing and maiming are not the same thing because they don't include a channel into sexual desires, they feed a different urge. Playing games where you are a protagonist or an antagonist in a world where everyone is out to kill/stop you is a situation where there is an understood theme and the game is about skill and drama. As a rational adult, one could find playing a role as a mafia hitman or a psychopathic robot while a wealth of challenges are thrown at you, to be simple entertainment. As a rational adult, one could not find engaging a small child in sexual intercourse as something remotely entertaining. You would have to be a paedophile or metally ill in some way to want to engage in that behavior.

And convincing Taco of this will help your cause in exactly which way?

Yawn

The second act was also repealed

I think it's probably just the opposite. But hey, when you want to look for something bad in people, you'll be successful, even if you're the only one who believes it. have you done any research studies to back up these claims you make? I'd love to see the final reports.

Different in the type of crime depicted ONLY.

So what if it's a different urge, if you were to act on either of them in RL, you would be a criminal.

Just because you can selectively see the "difference" on one, and not the other, doesn't make you right.

A crime is a crime is a crime, and violent games depict crimes.

Bella's theory about violence fails to take into account that most shooter games aren't exactly rational, and violence and sex are the most base of human urges, not exactly unrelated. But, of course, if she admits that shooting someone for no reason, or running down a hooker with your fictional car, does not incline someone to do that irl... she'd have to admit that sexual fantasies on a computer screen don't make people do stuff in rl.

Oh, who am I kidding, if she conceeded to the first, she'd probably point at me and scream pediophile (or Man! since she seems to have a hard on hatred for the opposite gender) instead of following the logic through to it's conclusion.

So what are the feds going to do... Go to Germany and arrest and drag back here someone who breaks this badily written law?

The Fundamentalist do not realize that you cannot impose stupid laws on an international internet.

Actualy, if you want to get scientific about it, bella....

Heterosexual males are naturally attracted to their mates based on several criteria (this is across species, not just humanity). The most obvious is physical attraction, but there is a derivative for what physical attraction is.

Because females have a finite amount of eggs, and are unable to breed in many cases at a certain age, older females are naturally found less appealing than younger ones. Also, those that are biologically incapable of breeding due to the immature nature of their bodies are not sexually appealing.

Females in good health, which we recognize by our visual appetites and sense of smell, are part of the appeal. They would also need to be at the peak of their fertility, which is essentially the onset of puberty. This is around the ages of 9-16. Nature doesnt' seem to care as much whether or not the female is physically capable of labor compared to the need to breed.

Our need to breed is what is expressed by what we find sexually desireable. Homosexuality even suggests this as many homosexual relationships have one masculine and one feminine partner, possibly moreso than masc/masc and fem/fem matches.

Thus, men naturally would desire to have sex with people between the ages of 9-16, regardless of social mores, and progressively desire the woman less as she ages into a less fertile state.

So if we're going to get scientific, all men are pedophiles. Women look for similar traits in a mate, primarily strength, cunning, and verility provided by youth, so many women are pedophiles by nature (scientifically), though men hit their natural physical peak at the accepted "adult" age of 18.

i'd gather that when we're talking ageplay, we're often not talking about sex with infants. THAT may be indicative of a problem, if we were, but not doing it on SL doesn't affect the problem, as a virtual fix wouldn't be enough to sate a chemical imbalance. Instead, we're talking about sex with AVkids between just before the onset of puberty (fascination) to slightly into it (sexual exhiliration). People do not survive well bottling desires and as a result the world sucks. Would you rather them not vent those secret things in SL and instead either vent them IRL or develop complexes?