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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 11:59
Thanks, Taco, for so admirably illustrating the slippery slope.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 12:00
Television shows and video games do not lead to desires to take illicit action.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 12:01
Thanks for taking my post and editing it without noting what you were doing. I'm sure even the posters here how dislike me might think that is out of line. Nope. Pretty good point, actually. In terms of "furries," I don't understand that but furries don't exist in real life... I would argue that yes, anyone who is fantasizing about having sex with a furry for some reason other than being funny, would probably get off on having sex with a person dressed in a furry costume. Do you disagree? Oh wait... not that I recall, there was a show on HBO that featured adults dressed in furry costumes having sex... so yes, it does lead to that. So, you get your views on reality from a show on HBO? _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Taco Rubio
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03-27-2006 12:01
Thanks, Taco, for so admirably illustrating the slippery slope. Thanks, Reitsuki, for so admirably getting it. ![]() _____________________
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 12:02
ped·o·phil·i·a (pd-fl-, pd-)
n. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. (The Free Dictionary) The American Psychiatric Association defines Pedophilia: A pedophile is a person who over at least a 6 month period has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (age 13 years or younger). Definition Pedophilia is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children. A paraphilia is a disorder that is characterized by recurrent intense sexual urges and sexually arousing fantasies generally involving: nonhuman objects; the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner (not merely simulated); or animals, children, or other nonconsenting persons. Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification. It may be directed toward children of the same sex or children of the other sex. Some pedophiles are attracted to both boys and girls. Some are attracted only to children, while others are attracted to adults as well as to children. Pedophilia is defined by mental health professionals as a mental disorder, but the American legal system defines acting on a pedophilic urge as a criminal act. (Minddisorder.com) Definition of Pedophilia Pedophilia: People with pedophilia have fantasies, urges or behaviors that involve illegal sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). (Medterms.com) So by definition, anyone fantasizing about sex with a person 13 or under (child avatars) is a pedophile. Pretend you are something else but the definitions are the same no matter where you look... Calling it "age play" or not, if it includes sexual fantasy and a child, it is pedophilia. |
Vivianne Draper
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03-27-2006 12:04
What makes you think this is the only place I am active on this issue? I am doing all I can to promote this cause and to help laws be written that make virtual child pornography as illegal as real child pornography. These posts give journalists and lawmakers the ability to quickly get caught up on the debate itself and shows an insight into the problem. Obviously I will be attacked by paedophiles here who are concerned that my ideas will be taken seriously and someone will make it illegal for them to continue their behaviors but I'm fine with fighting the good fight here and anywhere else I see the need. Organizations like Perverted Justice already use chat rooms and the like to catch paedophiles engaging in their behaviors and SL is ripe for such action. What lawmaker out there on either side of the isle will be afraid of making the statement, "I believe that emerging technologies that allow paedophiles to create child avatars to engage in virtual child rape scenerios is a problem that needs to be addressed?" It's one of those issues that all sane people will support and all sick minds will fight against. Yes, just like in RL, stopping child sexual abuse is difficult and the laws are hard to enforce because of the nature of the problem. It is always difficult to stop crimes from being committed but that doesn't mean we stop using community standards to write sane laws that are designed to protect the most vulnerable among us. Yes, there are not supposed to be children in SL, but SL players don't only live in SL, they are in homes were in many cases children reside. How do you have time to do anything else??? I mean you were active in this and the other dozen threads you are participating in all night last night. You've been active all afternoon. You have time to look up fertility stats on PBS.org. I'm assuming you actually do log into SL once in a while to witness for yourself all that deviant child play activity going on and I'm absolutely CERTAIN you take every opportunity to tell these folks what you think of them. Kinda makes me wonder how many people have you on mute. But i digress.... You really do have a large inner world, don't you? Not only is everyone who disagrees with you a potential pedophile, but you think arguing with you and this thread constitutes things that lawmakers and journalists will read as... shit I don't know what they'd read it as. This is hardly a representative sampling. This isn't a way to get caught up to a debate. Unless its the point of view that you don't hold -- given how many people here disagree with you. I'm not sure what your statement about SL being in homes where children reside is supposed to mean. I'm loathe to put words in your mouth. Why don't you enlighten me? |
Vivianne Draper
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03-27-2006 12:05
ped·o·phil·i·a (pd-fl-, pd-) n. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. (The Free Dictionary) The American Psychiatric Association defines Pedophilia: A pedophile is a person who over at least a 6 month period has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (age 13 years or younger). Definition Pedophilia is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children. A paraphilia is a disorder that is characterized by recurrent intense sexual urges and sexually arousing fantasies generally involving: nonhuman objects; the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner (not merely simulated); or animals, children, or other nonconsenting persons. Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification. It may be directed toward children of the same sex or children of the other sex. Some pedophiles are attracted to both boys and girls. Some are attracted only to children, while others are attracted to adults as well as to children. Pedophilia is defined by mental health professionals as a mental disorder, but the American legal system defines acting on a pedophilic urge as a criminal act. (Minddisorder.com) Definition of Pedophilia Pedophilia: People with pedophilia have fantasies, urges or behaviors that involve illegal sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). (Medterms.com) So by definition, anyone fantasizing about sex with a person 13 or under (child avatars) is a pedophile. Pretend you are something else but the definitions are the same no matter where you look... Calling it "age play" or not, if it includes sexual fantasy and a child, it is pedophilia. so if there's no sexual fantasy its not perverted and age play is just fine in that case .... right? |
Kiari LeFay
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03-27-2006 12:06
Oh wait... not that I recall, there was a show on HBO that featured adults dressed in furry costumes having sex... so yes, it does lead to that. Satire is always welcome... it took me about two seconds to know what Taco was about. As for the furs. I was on furry muds and furcadia for quite a while. Why? Because kitties are nifty and if I could be any animal, I'd be a cat, a purple cat. Soft and fluffy and snuggly... with naps and human servants... I'm a fish in SL (which is a furry or not, depending on the source) for various reasons. Never felt the urge to don a cat costume and go diddle someone. And I will state again for the record that I feel no complusion towards Shamu. |
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 12:06
Nope. Pretty good point, actually. So, you get your views on reality from a show on HBO? Good come back... Do you want more reading on the furry fetish? Is Vanity Fair a better source? PLEASURES OF THE FUR Welcome to the world of "furries": the thousands of Americans who've gotten in touch with their inner raccoon, or wolf, or fox. Judging from the Midwest FurFest, this is no hobby. It's sex; it's religion; it's a whole new way of life. BY GEORGE GURLEY http://pressedfur.coolfreepages.com/press/vanityfair/ |
Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 12:06
Quoting the dictionary as part of a forum argument is like quoting the bible in a room full of atheists. It's a leet way of saying "i'm on the ropes".
Technically, then, none of us are pedophiles. Your definition requires children be involved, whereas no children are involved. Even in the fantasy. Childlike avatars are involved, which I assure you are very different from children. |
Vivianne Draper
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03-27-2006 12:07
Thanks for taking my post and editing it without noting what you were doing. I'm sure even the posters here how dislike me might think that is out of line. In terms of "furries," I don't understand that but furries don't exist in real life... I would argue that yes, anyone who is fantasizing about having sex with a furry for some reason other than being funny, would probably get off on having sex with a person dressed in a furry costume. Do you disagree? Oh wait... not that I recall, there was a show on HBO that featured adults dressed in furry costumes having sex... so yes, it does lead to that. I saw a show on HBO that featured clown sex. That doesn't mean that everyone who likes clowns wants to have sex with them or that everyone who is a clown is a pervert looking to get his or her rocks off. You really need to get a grip Bella. |
Vivianne Draper
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03-27-2006 12:08
Satire is always welcome... it took me about two seconds to know what Taco was about. As for the furs. I was on furry muds and furcadia for quite a while. Why? Because kitties are nifty and if I could be any animal, I'd be a cat, a purple cat. Soft and fluffy and snuggly... with naps and human servants... I'm a fish in SL (which is a furry or not, depending on the source) for various reasons. Never felt the urge to don a cat costume and go diddle someone. And I will state again for the record that I feel no complusion towards Shamu. Pervert. Get thee hence to the porpoise thread. |
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 12:08
so if there's no sexual fantasy its not perverted and age play is just fine in that case .... right? Yes, correct, it is not paedophilia if you are just pretending to be a child playing with a fire truck or something... it's a little strange, but it isn't paedophilia. |
Csven Concord
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03-27-2006 12:09
I'm still waiting for an answer to my very simple question. A simple link would suffice (and since you have so much time to scour the web for support material, it doesn't seem out of place to ask for one).
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Vivianne Draper
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03-27-2006 12:09
Yes, correct, it is not paedophilia if you are just pretending to be a child playing with a fire truck or something... it's a little strange, but it isn't paedophilia. ok so ... like... 90% of the people you see in SL doing the age play thing are not doing it for the sexxors!!! |
Eboni Khan
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03-27-2006 12:10
So, you get your views on reality from a show on HBO? HBO showed crackheads, and I saw how they smoked crack. Are you saying that someone has to personally smoke crack or witness it in person to gather an understanding of the topic? |
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 12:10
I saw a show on HBO that featured clown sex. That doesn't mean that everyone who likes clowns wants to have sex with them or that everyone who is a clown is a pervert looking to get his or her rocks off. You really need to get a grip Bella. I saw that too... very disturbing. If you are reading any of my posts rather than just being reactionary, you would know that I am specifically discussiong playing sexual roles. There is nothing wrong with clown sex or furry sex as long as it isn't child sex... but if you are in SL and dressing as a clown to have sex with other clowns, you will likely find the same behavior fun in RL... |
Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 12:11
Still, the only sexual fantasy we're discussing with any real attention involves an adult roleplaying a child and an adult roleplaying either another child or an adult.
SO technically, it's fantasizing about an adult pretending to be a child, not fantasizing about a child. So, not pedophilia. |
bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 12:12
ok so ... like... 90% of the people you see in SL doing the age play thing are not doing it for the sexxors!!! God I hope it is even more than 90% of them are innocent of paedophilia... I'm only discussing those who are not doing it innocently. |
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 12:13
Good come back... Do you want more reading on the furry fetish? Is Vanity Fair a better source? PLEASURES OF THE FUR Welcome to the world of "furries": the thousands of Americans who've gotten in touch with their inner raccoon, or wolf, or fox. Judging from the Midwest FurFest, this is no hobby. It's sex; it's religion; it's a whole new way of life. BY GEORGE GURLEY http://pressedfur.coolfreepages.com/press/vanityfair/ I wouldn't consider Vanity Fair a better source, no. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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prak Curie
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03-27-2006 12:13
Pretend you are something else but the definitions are the same no matter where you look... Calling it "age play" or not, if it includes sexual fantasy and a child, it is pedophilia. Crimes require, or at least should require, a victim. It is an important line and not one I would like people to so casually give up; even to protect children. It is the way we punish people for what they do and not what they think. It is more important to guarantee people are free to think than to guarantee they are free from having been molested. _____________________
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 12:13
I saw that too... very disturbing. If you are reading any of my posts rather than just being reactionary, you would know that I am specifically discussiong playing sexual roles. There is nothing wrong with clown sex or furry sex as long as it isn't child sex... but if you are in SL and dressing as a clown to have sex with other clowns, you will likely find the same behavior fun in RL... I can tell you that in SL, and even other virtual venues, I have participated sexually in things that would disgust me to even consider IRL. I have no desire whatsoever to express them IRL. But hell, why have morals in SL? |
Csven Concord
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03-27-2006 12:14
Still, the only sexual fantasy we're discussing with any real attention involves an adult roleplaying a child and an adult roleplaying either another child or an adult. SO technically, it's fantasizing about an adult pretending to be a child, not fantasizing about a child. So, not pedophilia. My thoughts. Maybe we need a new definition. It certainly wouldn't be a surprise that RL definitions aren't concurrent with the latest ithat technology makes possible. |
Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 12:14
HBO showed crackheads, and I saw how they smoked crack. Are you saying that someone has to personally smoke crack or witness it in person to gather an understanding of the topic? If you're going to make a blanket statement like "Being a furry leads to bestiality" or something, then I would expect more research than an HBO show. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Tren Neva
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03-27-2006 12:14
I just want the trains to run on time and be free of perverts. Good luck with that. Macro furs use trains as sex toys. |