Ban Child Avatars Being Used for Sexual Purposes
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 11:36
From: Teddy Wishbringer I find these age-play threads rather curious that they started on the EXACT SAME day that Cub Conclave (the Babyfur sim) was majorly attacked with a land destroying script that wiped out the island. Things that make you go Hmmmm.. I find this thread topic rather offensive, and I know I'm opening myself up to potential griefer attacks and public ridicule.. however.. I'm sorry you were abused as a child, but it's equally disgusting to see people like YOU sterotype the age-play community when it's clearly obvious you don't understand it. I've been in the age-play community for well over 10 years now.. and I can tell you the community as a whole we would be the first in line to deal with and report pedophiles to the authorities. Age-play has NOTHING to do with real children.. PERIOD! Now I can't speak for everyone because you'll find a few bad apples in every community, but everyone that I've ever met has been fanatical about make sure the we don't get thrown into the sterotype you are implying. Any age-play activities that occur between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS is a far cry from what your suggesting, and as I mentioned, I find your comments to be highly insulting and completely misdirected. Direct your emotional anger at those deserving of it and/or get some councilling. I'm not skilled enough to have done anything so dramatic as to blow up anything at all within SL... but if my threads may cause some perverts some grief, then perhaps all the posts saying that my posting here is not going to have any affect are premature.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-27-2006 11:37
From: bella Ophelia I'm not skilled enough to have done anything so dramatic as to blow up anything at all within SL... but if my threads may cause some perverts some grief, then perhaps all the posts saying that my posting here is not going to have any affect are premature. seriously --call your therapist.
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Kiari LeFay
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03-27-2006 11:37
I'm sure Osama feels that same sense of pride when the Infidels are struck at.
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 11:38
From: bella Ophelia Great argument if it were accurate. However, the writings suggest otherwise: From http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/baby/fert_text.htmlFemale: During childhood, a girl's ovaries absorb almost half of the 1,000,000 immature eggs with which she was born. Of the 400,000 eggs present during her first menstrual period, only 300 to 500 of them will develop into mature eggs across her reproductive life span. Her body reabsorbs the rest before they complete development. Ovulation and menstruation start near the end of puberty, generally when a girl is about twelve-and-a-half, though any age from nine to 18 is normal. Each month during a woman's reproductive years, ten to 20 follicles begin maturing under the influence of hormones. These hormones, which are low during childhood and increase exponentially during the reproductive years, regulate the entire reproductive process. Male: Both men and women are normally at their peak of fertility in their early to mid-20s. Female: Though girls menstruate throughout their teens, many women do not regularly ovulate until their mid-20s, when hormone levels become more regular and women begin to ovulate each month. While specifying, you did not change my original argument. In fact, you supported it. The percentage of destroyed eggs here is meaningless, considering it's as if they never existed. We're discussing fertility. The reasoning would be the same, either way. You're more suggesting that women are more likely to get pregnant from sex in a certain time span because of regularity (accurate), but that does not eliminate their fertility overall. We're still talking the timespan where women are most likely to concieve, which would be a span from 16-25 basically, combined with fascination with the female form. So one way or the other, your post supports that women have reason to be sexually appealing from the age of 9 to their mid-twenties. The original crux of my post.
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Chip Midnight
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03-27-2006 11:43
From: bella Ophelia Shooter games and other fantasy games that include killing and maiming are not the same thing because they don't include a channel into sexual desires, they feed a different urge. Playing games where you are a protagonist or an antagonist in a world where everyone is out to kill/stop you is a situation where there is an understood theme and the game is about skill and drama. As a rational adult, one could find playing a role as a mafia hitman or a psychopathic robot while a wealth of challenges are thrown at you, to be simple entertainment. As a rational adult, one could not find engaging a small child in sexual intercourse as something remotely entertaining. You would have to be a paedophile or metally ill in some way to want to engage in that behavior. That's where your argument falls apart because as much as you may want to classify everyone who'd engage in such behavior as a pedophile who'd like to take their fantasy into the real world there's simply no rational basis for it. It's exactly the same as someone playing mafia hitman or a psychopathic robot... unless of course you believe in the concept of guilty until proven innocent. Roleplay is roleplay, period. You can't judge the mental state of the participants based on your own distaste. It's simply not logical.
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 11:44
From: Corvus Drake While specifying, you did not change my original argument. In fact, you supported it.
The percentage of destroyed eggs here is meaningless, considering it's as if they never existed. We're discussing fertility.
The reasoning would be the same, either way. You're more suggesting that women are more likely to get pregnant from sex in a certain time span because of regularity (accurate), but that does not eliminate their fertility overall. We're still talking the timespan where women are most likely to concieve, which would be a span from 16-25 basically, combined with fascination with the female form.
So one way or the other, your post supports that women have reason to be sexually appealing from the age of 9 to their mid-twenties. The original crux of my post. You go one believing that and maybe it will make it so... *edited*
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03-27-2006 11:45
From: Kendra Bancroft seriously --call your therapist. Turning off the computer would be a better first step.
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03-27-2006 11:46
From: bella Ophelia So you think out of maybe a hundred total pages of posts covering a few threads on the topic of banning paedophilia in SL, not a single true paedophile chimed in against me and the other sane people here?
Okay, I'm crazy... there are no paedophiles on the Internet and certainly none in SL... and if there were, they wouldn't try to use veiled attempts at discrediting a person who wants to stop their behavior. Please answer the question instead of avoiding it. I would expect real pedophiles to argue in any venue where they happened to be. But that doesn't mean I think they're on this forum posting comments in these threads. Yet you specifically say "here" as if that's significant. You also used the word "obviously" reinforcing "here". Hence the question you're not answering. It's a simple question. Please answer it.
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 11:46
From: Kiari LeFay I'm sure Osama feels that same sense of pride when the Infidels are struck at. Similar to bella, Osama probably also has some misplaced blame problems that vent themselves through action and words. Well, maybe not AS misplaced but still expressed poorly. bella, crusading to change a virtual world that is having no effect on anything isn't going to make up for anything or prevent anything from happening to anyone else. Dr. Phillip McGraw has a network of people that look for RL paedophiles. If you want to make retribution and influence a part of your continual recovery and an expression of your compassion, I'd suggest writing his show and expressing your interest. But don't grief people here any further just because you don't like how they think behind an alias on their own time, without affecting RL.
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 11:46
From: Corvus Drake Not at all. But you can't take actions against what someone does in their home or allows to enter it via the media in an effort to prevent it, or you destroy their personal freedoms in the process (i.e. owning a gun).
I'm not saying the laws should be off the books. I'm saying that all these laws need to be treated equally in regards to freedom in someone's home. I don't see your point. Either we have laws or not, whether someone can get around the law in some fashion doesn't mean we can't write the law... Banks are still robbed and people are still murdered... personal freedom does not mean lawlessness.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 11:48
From: bella Ophelia So you think out of maybe a hundred total pages of posts covering a few threads on the topic of banning paedophilia in SL, not a single true paedophile chimed in against me and the other sane people here?
Okay, I'm crazy... there are no paedophiles on the Internet and certainly none in SL... and if there were, they wouldn't try to use veiled attempts at discrediting a person who wants to stop their behavior. I would say, unless you have proof that anyone here is a pedophile, that all you are doing is libeling a whole ton of people in an attempt to discredit them. Ironic, no?
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Kris Ritter
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03-27-2006 11:48
ok, I have to admit that I'm only skimming now but what the hell has menstruation got to do with avatars, child or otherwise? 
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 11:48
From: bella Ophelia You go one believing that and maybe it will make it so...
The source cited said menstration starts around 12 1/2 usually but if you like them 9, that's your issue... and it said that "Both men and women are normally at their peak of fertility in their early to mid-20s." More, "fertile at all" would be the proper design of the argument. You're deluding yourself if you think we don't get the breeding drive going the moment it's possible, as a survival instinct. The terms "if it can bleed, it can breed", "if there's grass on the field, play ball", and the prevalence of social humor involving whether or not someone is "legal" are sociological expressions of this.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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03-27-2006 11:49
From: bella Ophelia I don't see your point. Either we have laws or not, whether someone can get around the law in some fashion doesn't mean we can't write the law... Banks are still robbed and people are still murdered... personal freedom does not mean lawlessness. But, fascism is diametricly opposed to personal freedom.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Taco Rubio
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03-27-2006 11:49
As was put so thoughtfully and eloquently earlier in this thread. SL does not exist in a vacuum. An adult who gets off having his adult avatar have sex with an avatar that is clearly and admittedly (as in the profile says, I am an 8-year-old raccoon, like the one I saw) a furry, is actively living out a fantasy of animal rape. He is getting off on the sexual images he is actively causing to appear on his computer screen. At the same time, he is living in the real world where there are real animals who cannot protect themselves if he chooses to take that fantasy a step further.
In game, most people taking part in sexual activites are living out fantasy that they would like to live out in rl... To pretend that it is even slightly possible for a person to get off on watching an adult avatar have sex with a furry avatar and not have a propensity for that behavior is moronic.
Shooter games and other fantasy games that include killing and maiming are not the same thing because they don't include a channel into sexual desires, they feed a different urge. Playing games where you are a protagonist or an antagonist in a world where everyone is out to kill/stop you is a situation where there is an understood theme and the game is about skill and drama. As a rational adult, one could find playing a role as a mafia hitman or a psychopathic robot while a wealth of challenges are thrown at you, to be simple entertainment. As a rational adult, one could not find engaging a small furry in sexual intercourse as something remotely entertaining. You would have to be a zoophile or metally ill in some way to want to engage in that behavior.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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03-27-2006 11:50
seems you never felt the pleasure of killing a virtual person with a shovel ^^
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prak Curie
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03-27-2006 11:50
I just want the trains to run on time and be free of perverts.
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 11:53
From: Corvus Drake Similar to bella, Osama probably also has some misplaced blame problems that vent themselves through action and words.
Well, maybe not AS misplaced but still expressed poorly.
bella, crusading to change a virtual world that is having no effect on anything isn't going to make up for anything or prevent anything from happening to anyone else. Dr. Phillip McGraw has a network of people that look for RL paedophiles. If you want to make retribution and influence a part of your continual recovery and an expression of your compassion, I'd suggest writing his show and expressing your interest.
But don't grief people here any further just because you don't like how they think behind an alias on their own time, without affecting RL. Thank you, that is one I haven't written to yet about this behavior on SL... I'll get right to it.
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-27-2006 11:54
From: bella Ophelia Thank you, that is one I haven't written to yet about this behavior on SL... I'll get right to it. Don't be too hurt when he laughs at you a bit and explains the difference between "age-play" and child abuse.
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Nolan Nash
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03-27-2006 11:55
From: Corvus Drake More, "fertile at all" would be the proper design of the argument.
You're deluding yourself if you think we don't get the breeding drive going the moment it's possible, as a survival instinct.
The terms "if it can bleed, it can breed", "if there's grass on the field, play ball", and the prevalence of social humor involving whether or not someone is "legal" are sociological expressions of this. Not to mention, 150 years ago, when people lived to around the ripe old age of 40 something (vs. today's age of 70 something), they were married off a much younger age than would be acceptible today. On that topic, google the age of consent laws, you may be a bit shocked by what is actually allowed. I know I was. DISCLAIMER: THIS POST DOES NOT MEAN I AM A PEDOPHILE OR THAT I AM DEFENDING THEM. PLEASE WHEN YOU CONSIDER IT, TRY TO DO SO WITH THE CONTEXT OF CORVUS' POINT IN MIND.
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 11:55
I'd say that someone expressing an amoral fantasy through a virtual reality with another, consenting individual is a healthy activity, not an unhealthy one. In fact, it may prevent someone from really trying it.
Taking that fantasy into RL is entirely the personal responsibility of the person doing so, with all reprocussions coming from it.
As heinous as child rape is, it's still a crime like any other, and obesance to the punitive system designed for those crimes.
Reverting to the original argument, since no children are involved in these actions on SL, no child rape is occurring...
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Eboni Khan
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03-27-2006 11:55
From: prak Curie I just want the trains to run on time and be free of perverts. As a CTA rider, I have to agree.
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Noh Rinkitink
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03-27-2006 11:57
From: Kyrah Abattoir seems you never felt the pleasure of killing a virtual person with a shovel ^^ Nevermind that, how about smacking them upside the head with a toilet, like in HL2 multiplayer using the gravity gun? I mean, how much more of a shitty deal can you get than getting killed by a toilet? People shouldn't have to take that crap, it's a piss-poor way to die, and unlike in SL, TP won't save you.
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bella Ophelia
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03-27-2006 11:57
From: Taco Rubio As was put so thoughtfully and eloquently earlier in this thread. SL does not exist in a vacuum. An adult who gets off having his adult avatar have sex with an avatar that is clearly and admittedly (as in the profile says, I am an 8-year-old raccoon, like the one I saw) a furry, is actively living out a fantasy of animal rape. He is getting off on the sexual images he is actively causing to appear on his computer screen. At the same time, he is living in the real world where there are real animals who cannot protect themselves if he chooses to take that fantasy a step further.
In game, most people taking part in sexual activites are living out fantasy that they would like to live out in rl... To pretend that it is even slightly possible for a person to get off on watching an adult avatar have sex with a furry avatar and not have a propensity for that behavior is moronic.
Shooter games and other fantasy games that include killing and maiming are not the same thing because they don't include a channel into sexual desires, they feed a different urge. Playing games where you are a protagonist or an antagonist in a world where everyone is out to kill/stop you is a situation where there is an understood theme and the game is about skill and drama. As a rational adult, one could find playing a role as a mafia hitman or a psychopathic robot while a wealth of challenges are thrown at you, to be simple entertainment. As a rational adult, one could not find engaging a small furry in sexual intercourse as something remotely entertaining. You would have to be a zoophile or metally ill in some way to want to engage in that behavior. Thanks for taking my post and editing it without noting what you were doing. I'm sure even the posters here how dislike me might think that is out of line. In terms of "furries," I don't understand that but furries don't exist in real life... I would argue that yes, anyone who is fantasizing about having sex with a furry for some reason other than being funny, would probably get off on having sex with a person dressed in a furry costume. Do you disagree? Oh wait... not that I recall, there was a show on HBO that featured adults dressed in furry costumes having sex... so yes, it does lead to that.
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Corvus Drake
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03-27-2006 11:57
From: Kendra Bancroft Don't be too hurt when he laughs at you a bit and explains the difference between "age-play" and child abuse. In fact, go on his show for it. Give us the airing date, we'll all tune in.
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