Ban Child Avatars Being Used for Sexual Purposes

What bothers me on sl is the "hentai" images of under 18 girls and the groups they repesent. I remeber passing thur one sim a while back and some less then brianed fill people starting chatting aboout how child toon sex is ok by japanese law. Its not! I really hate seeing "Child Hentai play on sl" The lack of understand and the sick people protraying japanese under age hentai just make me throwup!.....this is some thing i wish LLabs would cleanup on sl.but like all the other messing on sl. its just falls through the cracks.
I hope those sick people growup and have children of their own some day and then have to worry about THEIR kids looking at such images and hoping it does not screwup there minds........FOr the record, Japanese govermant does censor images of this type. Waht else that makes this more confusing is how can LLAbs expect the japanese population in japan to play on sl where here they still censor porn in its true real life content........LLAbs is not building a large scale sims for china because china censor content. But LLabs is failing to understand that in japan we have rules a regualtion bearing the issues of porn and adult underage toon porn. WAKEUP LLABS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and stop ASSUMING the wrong images of japan.......

I'm going to repost this from another thread because I responded to the wrong one previously...

We don't consider people who play violent videogames to be murderers, or to be acting out what they wish they could do in real life. When it comes to videogame violence most people understand that the majority of participants can separate fantasy from reality. Why should we look at ageplay in SL differently?

We humans are odd about these kinds of things. There are certain issues that become politically charged and tend to be blown out of proportion and looked at irrationally compared to other very similar things. Another example would be alchohol versus drugs. We naturally assume that the majority of people who use alchohol do so responsibly, but when it comes to illegal drugs most people assume just the opposite, that the majority of people who use them do so irresponsibly. It's irrational and purely the product of certain things always being sensationalized.

Personally I have no interest in ageplay in SL, but just because someone engages in it I don't think it's fair (or rational) to make any assumptions about what kind of person they really are or their reasons for doing so unless you also believe that anyone who shoots someone with a gun in SL is likely to do shoot someone in RL. Fantasy should never be illegal no matter how distasteful you find it personally.

Incorrect.
A child avatar in SL cannot possibly be consider 'indistinguishable' from a digital iimage of a minor. Furthermore it is quite likely explicitly excepted as a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting.

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I second Chip's statement, the only sane and rational opinion in this discussion.

Some peoples get all emotional and loose their capacity of judgement in subjects like this one

Let's all strive to be emotionless robots...

I think it is completely fair, and rational, to make assumptions about what kind of person they really are, just let me make those assumptions for myself.

People who go around saying that Second Life is "sexually charged" and that this is a welcomed state of affairs happen to disgust me. I do not, however, think Linden Labs should pixelate everyone in order to stamp out their kind. I can shun them on my own just fine.

I'm good at it, thank you.

Indeed. Now that is something I can get behind.

I can give you an avatar that I think will work quite well for that. IM me if you are interested.

emotions are good for things for sure, but obviously not for having a sane and objective judgement on a subject like this one

Lets all strive to be realistic here.

Child Porn is reprehensable and wrong. Two obviously adult humans coming into second life and one of them donning a child like avatar and having cyber/avi sex, while truly twisted and as far from my cup of tea as can be is not the sameas someone distributing or watching child porn. It does not mean either party is going to try and have sex with a child any more then 2 adults in a rl bed one calling the other daddy does.

I honestly think that yes crusading against child porn and child abuse is a good thing a great thing even. But alot of what I hear here is reactionary and off base. And before anyone says well what does he know I lived thru it, came out whole and as an adult had my day or recconing with a family friend over his behaviour toward me and my siblings.

bella, everybody posting here cares about child abuse. Several have posted about their own personal experiences and I suspect more just haven't said. It's an important issue. You're right to bring it up.

You're asking for immediate solutions. Unfortunately, there are none that I can see. I genuinely ask: Have you any? The issue of banning sex with child avatars is problematic, because it is impossible to police, let alone define to the exclusion of adult residents who are only role playing versus those who are living out some weird pedophiliac fantasy.

Frankly, I'm with you, but to a point. I had to make a decision sometime back about this very thing and I decided that an adult avatar having sex with a child avatar, furry or not, was over the line for me personally. Accordingly, I choose to not associate with it, however it's always been my opinion that two *consenting* adults having RL or SL sex in private, in whatever manner they wish, is their business, and only their business so long as it does not involve the abuse of a child, person, or animal. Who's to tell them differently? Would it not wrong to do so?

So you say its ok to use childs av's and to have porn as/with them?

You can play the old man (self-expression) and someone else can play the little kid (why not babies huh?) its just a self-expression. Why not rape SL babies by SL animals because well you like to express yourself that way? Better make movies of it so we can all watch it how you self express your self.

Its sick! just plain sick. Ppl who play those games need to get menthal help as soon as possible. And dont get started about furries/ watermelons and that kinda crap its about child abuse/porn.

Adults that have sex with children/babie av's here should be banned and reported to the law / menthal hostpital. Its wrong in RL and should be wrong in SL too. If your government cant do a thing about it then move to another country that does care about kids/babies/minors

And as a Linden you should be ashamed of yourself writing that down.

And Yes I am a parent and very angry at this moment....

--- Now some things we should have heard out of the Lindens mouth:
Take a snapshot of the abusers and report it. Not only report it to Linden but also report it to your police or other agency that handles child porn. They know what to do with it!

Waiting for your response.

Sincerely,
aEoLuS Waves

After Chip's emotional outburst, I'm glad to see the thread has been reclaimed for rationality. *cough*

Who are you anyway and why are you making this remark?

Mypost is about a Linden supporting child abuse ( or watermellons for al i care) and what I think of it.

Are you defending child abuse too?

Now rationalize yourself again (*cough*).

yes indeed

*chokes on coffee*

Yeah! report it to the police! I'm sure they'll prosecute two consenting adults for their child avatars to the fullest extent of the law.

Or prosecute you for time wasting. One of the two.

It's amazing how all logic and reason leaves people when they address an emotive issue. And amazing how much they damage their own cause with ridiculous statements about it being child porn or abuse or acts of paedophilia. There are no children involved! Therefore it cannot possibly be either.

You are quite at liberty to think it sick, but don't make it more than that. Hell, it's my own opinion that age play is 'beyond the boundaries'. But they're my own boundaries. If people (and Lindens are people too) don't share your view, that doesn't make them supporters of paedophilia or child porn, for fucks sake.

What the fuck is wrong with you people? I mean really? Do you literally not have that basic level of comprehension that helps you seperate virtual activities between consenting adults on a computer platform and real life crimes?

Frankly, it's reprehensible that you idiots are trivialising the real life issues by even equating the two. Maybe it's not the age players who need help?

Look I really dont care about you or the people defending this. You think its all kewl to do this and ofcourse to dish my post as being silly and over reacting.

Although this is just a game it isnt right to abuse virtual AV children/babies. Consult your family about it.. Will they think its ok?

its not a game of counter-strike we are talking about..

Its about having sex as an adult with an AV kid. And thats so wrong.

And a Linden should not defend this. Not now and not ever.

Won't somebody think of the virtual children?!?

Likewise!



...and there you go again, proving my point. Show me ANYONE defending this?




...and there you go again, proving my point. Show me ANYONE saying it's 'kewl'?



It is your opinion that it isnt right to abuse virtual av children or babies. Hell, it is a lot of people's opinions. But it's an opinion. Whilst I think it's farking odd... it's two consenting adults and no children or babies are involved.



They will undoubtedly think the same as me. That it's farking odd. But that it's just avatars controlled by adults.



Good argument!



In your opinion. In lots of peoples opinion. But it is not 'wrong' in any literal sense, because as I keep saying, no children are involved.



...and there you go again, proving my point. Torley is not defending it.

It seems you read into peoples posts whatever you want to, rather than the words written there. Seems a lot of it going about in relation to this subject!

tsssk

My 2 cents:

For the record, I agree that child porn is WRONG and should not be tollerated. I also do not understand why people want to be kid AVs and have sex with older avs...I personally think it is a bit creepy..but I guess that's just not my cup of tea heh.

But, the likely of this happening is slim to none. If you ban child AVs being intimate you will have to ban Furries as well, because it could be taken as beastality. Also, I know many people who LOOK very young. People who are probably around 5 ft. and of course that is assumed to be YOUNG since everybody in this game is at least 7 ft. tall . So what if a shorter than usual AV is engaged in sex? How would they prove if it is a child AV or just a short one? The only soultion would to be to wear a big sign that says HEY I'M NOT A CHILD AV...yeahhh...

So, as you can see..This is a very unrealistic thing. Not only because it would be hard to PROVE they are kid AVs, but because we would have to ruin the furries and other fetishes in this game.

But I am on your side, and do think it is kinda creepy.

Okay so that was more like 5 cents. Bite me.

ok, so your not defending it..
Nobody is defending it, its just farking odd..

Well I guess that the big differents between me and the ppl that are not defending it but just think its farking odd is that I think its darn wrong.

Its still a form of child abuse wether or not adults are role playing. It doesnt mather if children are involved or not. if it looks like child abuse IT IS child abuse.

And Lindens shouldnt in anyway defend (or whatever it was that he did) this.

And Kitty you are right, it is imposible to act upon it without actualy catching ppl in the act.

And I think that furries should do what ever they want to do except having sex with children av's

Actually is ISN'T child abuse..
But I'm sure it could be considered child porn, which is illegal of course.
The problem here is it is a game..There isn't MUCH that we or the Lindens can do about it.
I say let bygones be bygones. If you don't like it. Don't participate in it.
Sorry, not much else can be done here... :/

My family is only marginally OK with me being gay, if they are able to ignore it. They certainly wouldn't want to think about it beyond the abstract sense. Does that mean I shouldn't be gay?



Fixed that for you.



A linden defended their very rational policy. Not child abuse, as you like to portray.




No. By definition, CHILD ABUSE REQUIRES CHILDREN. By definition. C-H-I-L-Dabuse. Children. Young people. Minors. The people who aren't allowed in SL to begin with. Not-adults.

You can't abuse what doesn't exist.

It's as much child abuse as me killing someone in a video game is murder.



I would hope the lindens would defend us from the thought police.

Child porn is illegal only in the event it actually is children, or the visual representation is "indistinguishable" from a real child.