Ban Child Avatars Being Used for Sexual Purposes

I feel abused by these threads.

Well the Lindens can do something about by

a] Acting on abuse reports

b] Not making any private statements in this forum about this.

but because that already happend:

c] Making their official point clear about child porn (in av form practiced by adults) and what they will do about it.

re (c) Go read the second post in this thread. Torley (you'll remember her, you've been jumping up and down on her for long enough) posted the official stance in full as the immediate response to the original poster. Which is why (a) is moot. It's not abuse. So no matter how much you abuse report it they will not act on it.

And as for (b)... why is Torley not allowed an opinion?

Again, if you take a picture of the scene and send it as abuse..How can you prove it is a kid AV?

Nah, gay is ok, however it is wrong to have sex as an adult with children.


Never ever fix something for me and let that stay in Quotes.. Talking about doing wrong..


ok ok it was not about abuse it was about porn>> kids porn



Having porn with av children is wrong. And I call that "AV Child abuse". (added AV so we know we are still talking about SL.

Now you could make all the av kids skin just bright blue and have sex with them to make you feel better.. But that would make the smurfs pissed off.




Yes please!

Now there you got a point.. Think the lindens will have to deal with such a thing then...
I think it will always be a thin line..

But you, and Bella, for that matter, have repeatedly tried to use the "Would you feel comfortable talking to other people about this?" to 'prove' it's bad. And it's bullshit. We're a society that is only JUST beginning to accept that gay people don't deserve to be beat to death at worst, or shunned at best. What one is ashamed of often has nothing to do with any actual reason for the shame.



No wrong was done. I made it clear it was my own edit. Now adress the point.

Stay away from Fark.com, by the way.




It's not pornography of real kids, however.



Why is it wrong? Because you say it is?

Abuse requires abuse going on. Show me the abuse.

Simple test, right?

Show me the abuse.



What?

*puts up a sign*

"YOU MUST BE THIS HIGH TO POST ON THIS THREAD."

The only thing the Lindens should deal with are threats to the integrity of the grid, account security and crimes as defined by whatever jurisdiction the company is physically located in.

Torley is a Linden. Whatever he or she says is a statement of the Lindens...

You could have left it alone to let him/her respond but you jumped on it yourself. I just go with the flow and see where this all will lead to (or for how long).

Nothing Torley said was a bad position for the lindens to take, however. In fact, it's basicly just puting the legalese ToS and CS into readable words.

Not at all. What would make you think that? So Lindens can't have opinions of their own because it automatically becomes company policy?

And of course it never would be fair to those who really aren't kid AVs..
Somebody takes a picture of 2 adult avs sexing. One is shorter than usual.
Is it considered child abuse? Or maybe midget fetish.!? haha just kidding.

But seriously, I have alot of friends who are below 7 ft tall and can be considered a kid.
Here is an example..
[sorry for bad quality..stupid Paint]
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/4885/pic16gt.jpg
First pic is of a friend. not a child AV.
Next pic is me when I was shorter compared to some people in SL. Ha. wow.
Could we have been considered a child and banned for doing nothing wrong?
That would be a huge issue, and why it is very unlikely LL will follow with this idea.

kk cant bring anything agianst this. I dont think gay ppl are different or whatever. Never had a problem with it to. But that doesnt make it right to have sex with childrens av's.



never mind...




If it looks like child porn it is considered as child porn. They made that rule because perferts where making/having/doing child porn with 3d applications and in virtual worlds. Mabey its just a Europeen law.. Dunno but its a good one. It protects children.




You dont know the Smurfs?

While it is possible for an employee to express a personal opinion from a company account (using company letterhead or something else of the sort) it is very frowned upon. It is best to assume that they are expressing company policy.

In America, where LL is located, the only law is against REAL CHILDREN being abused, or a recreation that is "indistinguishable" from the same. The latter stipulation will probably be overturned in the next handful of years, because the last law that tried to do the same thing was. In either event, it doesn't impact SL, because SL is not an "indistinguishable representation", by virtue of it being a 3D environment.

Yes you got it! Very good! Mabey you are going to far with "automatically" but a lot of ppl see Lindens answer as being policy. But you knew that already

Ok, I'm getting bored with the "Someone Had Sexxors with a CHild AV" posts. Can we go back to Intelligent Evolution?

OH but this is "more funner".

And thats why I think the Lindens should keep their head up and try to set a statement here by forbidding it in any form. They already did/tried a good thing with seperating children and adults in SL with the teengrid. Now they need to go one step further and just forbid it.

If some puppeteers wanna break the rule then at least they know they are breaking a rule.

Did you see that video of "spore"?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&q=spore

Wow. Just... wow. I can hardly believe you just compared stalking real-life children with anything two consenting adults do in bed.



No rules are broken, however, thats the point I'm trying to make. It's perfectly legal.

Really?

Then lemme just go dig up some absolutely gold mine stuff that's apparently company policy!

Especially since Torley posted for over a year before becoming a Linden but now they're all apparently Linden policy as surely is proved by her Linden name being against each post!?

Ok. Maybe I'm in a minority, here (it'd actually be interesting to find out!) but I simply don't automatically assume that if a Linden staffer posts something to the general forums that it's official policy. I assume it's opinion unless it's stated as policy. Or in the announcement forums, I guess. At the end of the day, the two are usually fairly obvious from their words and tone if nothing else, and by what they are responding to. And most Lindens tend to indicate whether they're talking from an official standpoint or their own anyway.

If it is a cause for confusion - as it seems to be - then maybe the answer (though frankly I think it'd be sad to see it have to be done) is if every time a Linden spoke for themselves they had to disclaim their words with some 'not officially endorsed' message so as to avoid misunderstandings.

Because I think Torley is getting a helluva hard time for just trying to join in here, especially after being so swift to give the official response first and foremost.

I want to encourage more Linden participation in the forums. There's precious little of it - I want to see more communication from the Lindens and as far as I'm concerned opinions are welcome. I don't want to scare them off and demand that they never post unless they're parroting the company line. Lindens ARE people too. Honest. And sometimes it's nice to know what they're thinking.

You do this not for the few adults here that just like to play kiddies and have sex as kiddies, you do this for keeping the pedofiles (http://www.answers.com/pedofiles) out of SL. "hey you see, I can have sex as an av adult with little AV children and they cant do anything about it." SL is so kewl!!

Personally Bella...I find your position to be highly offensive to any of us that have actually BEEN subjected to REAL child sexual abuse.

You insistance that somehow an ADULT roleplaying a child in a possible sexual situation is in anyway comparable to what many of us went through as actual victims of child sexual abuse belittles the REAL victims and in all honesty...pisses me off in a major way.

My suggestion...as someone who spent her childhood being abused emotionally, physically and sexually... is that you need to get a grip and some perspective and just shut the f*** up. But then that is just my opinion....take it as you like.

I have always held to the very true psychological maxim that those who yell and scream the most about or against something...are themselves the ones who are most likely thinking about it and most likely to do it. Its a form of transference...you fear your own attraction to children so transfer the behavior to others and get angry at them instead of getting angry at yourself. You can read that however you wish too.