Suicide Girls Redux
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Csven Concord
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02-09-2006 11:59
From: Lewis Nerd I don't see what "personal issues" there are to sort. I don't have a problem with the fact that porn exists, or whether or not there's a lot of it in Second Life. It's people's individual choice what to do when faced with porn...... walk away, or indulge. It's good to hear you support freedom of choice, and by extension.... From: someone I'm just saying that LL in effect 'officially endorsing' the site and its content gives it a lot more clout than if they had decided to come here of their own accord and set up a sex club in game. ... Linden Lab's freedom to make their own choices in regard to how their proprietary system is used and by whom and under what circumstances. From: someone I would not give my money to a 'pay per view' porn site, therefore I object to the money I pay LL each month to play the game being tied up in a partnership deal with SG. It's a shame you'll not be around to actually get to know the people behind the avatars. Intolerance usually results from lack of information. Oh well. Take care. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-09-2006 12:00
From: Lewis Nerd Unfortunately when an issue such as this becomes a moral one, it is quite clear that many people have none whatsoever, and those who stand up for the moral viewpoint get attacked for being "narrow minded" or whatever. Your mistake lies in this block of text.
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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 12:01
From: Lucifer Baphomet Hide your sexballs folks, Lewis is coming to purify SL. As long as they are on M rated land, and not visible from public space, according to the Community Standards they are ok to have. Lewis |
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Martin Magpie
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02-09-2006 12:01
From: Sansarya Caligari That's not the issue. The issue is their presence in SL.
However, several people here have said they subscribe and/or ARE or have been Suicide Girls.
Reading selectively might be the problem... That's the issue? I thought the issue was the "name" being used and it's negative meaning. I have no beef with the ppl what so ever. It's the use of that name that bothers me. |
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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02-09-2006 12:01
From: Lewis Nerd Besides, I don't care about the "Bill of Rights" .... it does NOT apply in a private online environment such as SL. Therefore it is entirely invalid to discuss. Actually, since Second Life's main draw to people is the total creative freedom and flexibility it offers, its a VERY valid issue to discuss. You still haven't replied to my earlier queries about your desire to censor, I'm curious for an answer. See here: /108/5c/87324/4.html#post886673Regards, -Flip
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-09-2006 12:02
hide your al fresco sexballs folks, Lewis is coming to purify SL.
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Siggy Romulus
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02-09-2006 12:04
From: Lewis Nerd So, could you tell me when LL is going to partner up with a Church to have an official presence in game? Wal-Mart perhaps? A record label? CNN? The list is endless.
Lewis They've already supported various educational groups in the past - and with no more or less support. I think supporting other online groups with no more/less special consideration is incredibly evenhanded of LL. They have a different last name - but then again so did the Thereians when LL offered a 'migration' package to promote SL ages ago. So - a handfull of folks don't like the last name, or their online community - B.F.D.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-09-2006 12:04
The issue isn't what the Suicide Girls do on their website. Or what they do in real life. Or what they do in SL.
The issues are:
1. The Suicide Girls have been given an exclusive last name (and a questionable one, to boot).
2. The Suicide Girls have been given some 3-4000 meters of free land for their group. A Linden is the founder of that group.
The positions are:
1. Some people, like Cristiano, think this is just fine, on the basis that LL is a business and can do whatever it wants.
2. Other people, like me, agree that LL is a business and can do whatever it wants, including wrong things. This is a wrong thing.
coco
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Martin Magpie
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02-09-2006 12:04
I will never understand the heavy hand of some in these forums. They think if they belittle and attack the poster. The poster will suddenly change their stance on thier personal opinion.
False.
Cat
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Siggy Romulus
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02-09-2006 12:04
From: Lucifer Baphomet hide your al fresco sexballs folks, Lewis is coming to purify SL. Fetch the superglue - David's penis is comin off!
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The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
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Csven Concord
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02-09-2006 12:05
From: Lewis Nerd Unfortunately when an issue such as this becomes a moral one, it is quite clear that many people have none whatsoever, and those who stand up for the moral viewpoint get attacked for being "narrow minded" or whatever.
Lewis When I first saw "Revenge of the Nerds", I knew people who considered it highly immoral. I've not seen anyone of their "moral" caliber on this thread. |
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-09-2006 12:06
From: Siggy Romulus They've already supported various educational groups in the past - and with no more or less support.
I think supporting other online groups with no more/less special consideration is incredibly evenhanded of LL.
They have a different last name - but then again so did the Thereians when LL offered a 'migration' package to promote SL ages ago.
So - a handfull of folks don't like the last name, or their online community - B.F.D. Well I'm glad they are supporting this educational group then.  "Therian" was, I believe, a name available to anyone and everyone while it was available. "Suicide" is available only to the girls who belong to that site. coco |
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Martin Magpie
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02-09-2006 12:06
From: Cocoanut Cookie The issue isn't what the Suicide Girls do on their website. Or what they do in real life. Or what they do in SL.
The issues are:
1. The Suicide Girls have been given an exclusive last name (and a questionable one, to boot).
2. The Suicide Girls have been given some 3-4000 meters of free land for their group. A Linden is the founder of that group.
The positions are:
1. Some people, like Cristiano, think this is just fine, on the basis that LL is a business and can do whatever it wants.
2. Other people, like me, agree that LL is a business and can do whatever it wants, including wrong things. This is a wrong thing.
coco Well I have a problem with 1 and 2 above in the first paragraph. As for my stance on the second paragraph. Undecided. |
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Sansarya Caligari
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02-09-2006 12:07
From: Cristiano Midnight In closing the previous thread, Jeska encouraged us to start a new thread if we wanted to continue to the topic. I think the topic was quite valid and interesting and not sure exactly why the thread was closed, as heated topics go it was pretty tame. Nonetheless, what do you think of the Suicide Girls being in SL and the promotion by LL? From: Martin Magpie That's the issue? I thought the issue was the "name" being used and it's negative meaning.
I have no beef with the ppl what so ever. It's the use of that name that bothers me. Maybe you want to be in this other thread? /108/27/87344/1.html |
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-09-2006 12:08
From: Martin Magpie I will never understand the heavy hand of some in these forums. They think if they belittle and attack the poster. The poster will suddenly change their stance on thier personal opinion.
False.
Cat They don't care about changing the poster's mind, Cat. If they did, they would discuss the issue respectfully. They care only about marginalizing and belittling that person, in the hopes that it will invalidate their opinion, and/or signal to others not to speak out with the same opinion. Or at least drive them off the forums! coco |
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Csven Concord
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02-09-2006 12:10
From: Cocoanut Cookie The issues are:
1. The Suicide Girls have been given an exclusive last name (and a questionable one, to boot).
2. The Suicide Girls have been given some 3-4000 meters of free land for their group. A Linden is the founder of that group.
coco I recall LL mentioning that they intended to offer exclusive last names for sale. Perhaps SG paid for their exclusive last name. I've not read that SG has received "free" land. They may not have paid cash, but that doesn't mean it was free. There may have been some bartering that didn't involve cash. However, as you're stating FACTS, please point me to your sources. Thank you. |
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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02-09-2006 12:11
From: Cocoanut Cookie 1. The Suicide Girls have been given an exclusive last name (and a questionable one, to boot).
2. The Suicide Girls have been given some 3-4000 meters of free land for their group. A Linden is the founder of that group. Coco, businesses give special deals to groups all the time. Its called incentive. Cops get free coffee at 7-11. Union members get good deals on food. Its part of life. This seems to say that's all there is to this. Lewis, as for your repeated use of the term "partnership" and endorsements from LL: From: Wilder Linden Suicide Girls in Second Life FAQ
Q. Is there a deal/agreement/contract between Linden Lab and the Suicide Girls?
A. No
Q. Were the Suicide Girls approached by Linden Lab to join Second Life as a part of a program or promotion?
A. No
Q. Were the Suicide Girls given a special offer to check out Second Life?
A. Yes
Q. Do the Suicide Girls owe Linden Lab something in return?
A. No
Q. Why did Linden Lab do this?
A. There is an interest in seeing how existing web communities can extend what they offer members by having a virtual space where they can meet and interact. The Suicide Girls have a very active community and Second Life is a good fit for them to be able to meet and greet each other as well as their site members.
Please remember that the residents in Second Life with the last name Suicide are like all residents and deserve to be treated according to the Community Guidelines and Standards.
There will be more web communities in the future joining Second Life as we continue to grow and expand and they should be given the chance to make a home just as we all have.
I am always willing to talk with concerned residents in world and would ask that you respect other residents' right to privacy.
Wilder Linden
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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 12:14
From: Sansarya Caligari Maybe you want to be in this other thread? How many of those apparently "in support" are actually "don't care" - or some of the many alts of the few very vocal people speaking out against the point of view I hold? Lewis |
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Martin Magpie
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02-09-2006 12:15
From: Cocoanut Cookie They don't care about changing the poster's mind, Cat. If they did, they would discuss the issue respectfully. They care only about marginalizing and belittling that person, in the hopes that it will invalidate their opinion, and/or signal to others not to speak out with the same opinion. Or at least drive them off the forums!
coco Well how sad is that for an open society like SL. Seems rather hypocritical to me. Allow everyone and everything; then stem their opinions into our way of thinking. If they don't like they can leave. Yikes. That doesn't seem very consistant and well balanced to me. One love damn it, or we are gonna kick your arse? LOL how ignorant. |
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Martin Magpie
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02-09-2006 12:17
From: Csven Concord I recall LL mentioning that they intended to offer exclusive last names for sale. Perhaps SG paid for their exclusive last name.
I've not read that SG has received "free" land. They may not have paid cash, but that doesn't mean it was free. There may have been some bartering that didn't involve cash.
However, as you're stating FACTS, please point me to your sources. Thank you. An official announcement would of been nice  But LL didn't do that. |
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Siggy Romulus
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02-09-2006 12:17
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Move em in move em out ride em up drive em down cut em in - drive em out..
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Csven Concord
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02-09-2006 12:19
From: Lewis Nerd How many of those apparently "in support" are actually "don't care" - or some of the many alts of the few very vocal people speaking out against the point of view I hold?
Lewis I do care. I prefer not to have others decide for me what is and is not morally acceptable. Your point of view is yours. |
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Sansarya Caligari
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02-09-2006 12:19
From: Lewis Nerd How many of those apparently "in support" are actually "don't care" - or some of the many alts of the few very vocal people speaking out against the point of view I hold?
Lewis Dunno Lewis. Personally, I wouldn't log out and in and out and in on an alt account just to skew the results in a poll that pokes fun at what I consider a non-issue. It doesnt' really matter that much to me, but I was just clarifying for Cat that there actually was a whole thread just on the name issue  |
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Csven Concord
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02-09-2006 12:19
From: Martin Magpie An official announcement would of been nice But LL didn't do that. An official announcement might have been seen as a "promotion". |
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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 12:21
From: Sansarya Caligari Dunno Lewis. Personally, I wouldn't log out and in and out and in on an alt account just to skew the results in a poll that pokes fun at what I consider a non-issue. A lot of people would, just because they can. Lewis |
