Suicide Girls Redux

Here we go, the lame slippery slope argument. What happens if they let gays marry? Next thing pedophiles will want to marry children, and people will want to marry animals. Sound familiar? That argument is used all the time against gay marriage. What about their rights??? Pedophilia and bestiality are both illegal in the US - there is nothing illegal about the Suicide Girls site.

That certainly is troubling on the surface, but how often do disgruntled employees try to damage their previous employers? I don't think you can get a really clear picture unless you personally talk to those who work for the site, and who have worked for it. We know by now that most of what you read in the media is hardly the complete truth.

What's next? The entire world will dissolve into anarchy, and the paedophiles and zoophiles will run everything, including LL's customer service line.

"Yes, we changed all the sims to Mature and you must go through The Pharkbawlz Hazing Ritual if you wish to keep your account active. To access the Hazing Ritual menu please sign up for the SG website. An activation code will then be emailed to you."

It's a logical progression.

Yeah but this IS someone who worked for them. It's enough to give me pause, personally.

Yes because it's easy to see how this will lead to LL blessing obviously illegal groups, isn't it. Do you read what you write at all? I'd suggest you do, if you don't, before you post it. I'd find it easier to listen to your argument if you weren't a million miles from planet earth with what you're saying.

That sounds rather worryingly close to the "if we let gay people marry it'll be the paedophiles next" argument (so-called) that goes around.

edit: oh, yeah, should have read up the thread

My point is they WORKED for them. You don't know the reasons why they left - a lot of times people can say horrible things about former employers.

I agree. Obviously this all started with "Nerd".

Having just taken a look at some sites about that movie you so enjoyed ("Revenge of the Nerds", I cannot in all honesty believe you're arguing your point. Here are some quotes (I won't link to pictures showing "Lewis" staring at a coed's naked body and grinning/drooling):

What kind of "moral" person finds that kind of trash entertaining? And does anyone else find this concern for SL's welfare hypocritical?

Frankly it is difficult for me to see how in this day and age a woman is exploited by a website she 1. had to apply to be on, and 2. presumably had to review the site before applying.

She may work for a sexual harrassing boss who abuses his position, but that it not exploitation, it is sexual harassment. Granted that might be enought to give anyone pause about the organization, and the ethihcs of its management, but that is not really a general issue. If the owner is a harassing asshole, sue him.

These girls are adults and should be creditied with having the ability to make choices for themselves, about how they way to display thier bodies and tow whom they want them displayed. If someone misrepresented what they were getting into, then maybe they could be exploited. But at least on the surface, they new or chould have known what the site was.

I bleinve that true gender equality will only happen when adults are expected to make responsible decisions about thier actions on thier own, and to take responsibility for themselves.

Yup exactly. So Dildo is not acceptable but suicide is. Interesting.

I have to agree with all of what Jake has said so far in this thread STRONGLY.

It is clearly not exploitation, in my mind.

So you're complaining about a film that has an "18" rating, just like SL has?

The film was comedy entertainment. Somewhat dated after 25 years, sure... but unless the "Revenge of the Nerds" stars open an official inworld presence and fan club (rather than just a surname being used amongst many available to me and others at the time), I don't see your parallel.

Maybe if you took a step back you'd see I'm not against people enjoying porn if that is their choice, any more than I'm woried that you happen to not like a film I find amusing (if, of course, you'd actually seen the film in full you'd realise theres a lot more than a few 'mild erotic' scenes and it actually has quite a strong storyline about nerd persecution and how brains always beats brute strength in the end, that is quite an inspiration.

We are talking about the principle of LL choosing specifically to work with a porn site - LL approached them, not the other way around - so kindly stick to that rather than attacking my choice in entertainment.

Lewis

Suicide is okay, but dildo isn't.

Yes, that blows my mind, too.

And hmmm - why doesn't it surprise me that a bunch of guys are all for bribing some Internet erotica girls to come to SL?

It is surprising that the Lindens did it, though. But I guess it shouldn't be.

I was thinking today, you know "greed" isn't a word I have ever applied to any company, or even many, if any, individuals. I mean, greed is sort of the REASON to have a company, you know?

But I must have had some higher ideals for SL tucked away in my subconscious somewhere, because the word "greed" comes to mind - greed above any and all other considerations - and it is disappointing.

coco

interesting blurb.

"http://www.secretlair.com/index.php?/clickableculture
Second Life is divided into self-contained Teen (no sexual content allowed) and Adult (18 +) zones, with the latter further split into "PG" and "Mature" areas. Despite the isolation of sexual content to appropriate areas, it could be argued that Second Life, like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, contains "hidden" sexual content. Although extremely popular within the SL community, Mature content isn't advertised by developers Linden Lab as the sort of content one might discover in their virtual world. Given the recent rabidity of the Morality Police, Linden Lab might consider repositioning Second Life's sexual content before censors discover what goes on inside the gates."

True.

I'm all for them approaching a male site as well - different strokes for different folks. Why doesn't it surprise me that you didn't notice the sheer amount of support by women as well.

The Internet is for Porn......
Sing it with me!

You know, as you're somebody who I often see crying foul at percieved sexism by some on these forums - take your sexist comment here and shove it where the sun don't shine. I thank you.

Damn you it has taken me weeks to get that song out of my head.

I did notice that, Cristiano.

I have noticed similar reactions on other topics - such as whether the depiction of violent, bloody rape of females (or anybody!) is okay or not. I have opinions as to why that is.

Here's another thing, while I'm sitting here typing and thinking. In the past, I have always told my friends, "Yes, there is a lot of porn on SL, but you really don't have to run into it if you don't want to. I've been here a long time and it really makes up only a tiny percentage of what I run into when I go around SL. You can pretty much avoid all of that if you want to."

And I've sincerely believed that. And I don't believe that will change all that much. However, I do believe this move heralds a turning point for SL. I will no longer downplay the porn - or erotica, if you will - aspect of SL, since it is no longer just what people do in SL, but what the Lindens are actively promoting, applauding, and giving special benefits to.

coco

I really, REALLY don't know what your problem is, Moopf, either on this thread or on the now-closed one.

coco

Lewis, please stop talking about the BIG OFFICIAL PARNTERSHIP DEAL AND SPONSORSHIP Linden Lab is giving SG. Its already been debunked many times. They got a last name. There's some land being held by Wilder. Big deal. There's no contract of any sort in play, as Wilder has already stated.

Other famous name changes in SL history:

| kantana Boccara      |
| Katana Boccara       |
| Jefferson Wake       |
| Jephers Wake         |
| Havabigdic Squeegee  |
| Havabigone Goodliffe |
| Anal Rosebud         |
| Booty Rosebud        |
| Trixxxie Moxie       |
| Master Moxie         |
| OoPs Codesmith       |
| OoPs Galatea         |
| Arseface Svarog      |
| Wally Svarog         |
| Torley Torgeson      |
| Torley Linden        |
| Humpmy Pole          |
| LeGrand Pole         |
| Nintendo Shaw        |
| Ninnin Shaw          |
| Enema Uritsky        |
| Pedestrian Uritsky   |
| Douche Lardner       |
| Doug Lardner         |

Your comment was sexist, Cocoanut, the very thing you complain about.

Well, you know, why didn't they just start with SOMEBODY ALREADY HERE!! Like the furry group, for instance, or the elves or whatever. Wouldn't those people like a last name of their own, too? Not to mention the land?

And I don't buy this stuff about, "We're trying out a new thing, regarding people in a community choosing their own last name." Ridiculous. They could have tried that out with someone already here.

coco

....... or at least a group with a name and a subject that wouldn't have caused so much uproar.

Lewis

Why would they try it with people here when the purpose is to attract new people? They picked a site that had an edgy demographic that would probably be interested in SL.

BTW - as far as furries go, there is a part of furry culture that is extremely sexual. I knew nothing about furries before coming to SL, and a lot of what I learned about the sexual nature of it surprised me. There is a wide spectrum in SL, from those who just like having an animal avatar to those very deeply into the furry lifestyle, including the sexual side of it. What if they had reached out to that community? Would you be reacting the same way?