Suicide Girls Redux

How could you possibly want to do real life things, and not spend all your free time hanging around in an internet forum?

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Lewis

Oh yes lewis, the suicide girls advocate genocide state opression, and racism... get real

Dunno bout that - you are free to express your opinions freely, no matter how tarded they are.

Rapid decay of thread noted....

...waits for it.

I love what LL is doing with the SG program and not because they are SG. I like the idea of LL reaching out to established web communities and showing them how to extend their community on the 3D web.

SG was a good fit to be the first since they have such an intimate and social connection with their community.

Hey, that's pretty much my POINT, Siggy. I always thought of the university groups and whatnot as having a purpose, one which presumably will better all of SL. Ditto the special needs sim, I forget its name, and some other similar group, I think - I have always been thrilled about the Lindens offering those.

The E-bay island thing - was offered to everyone.

coco

Change "walk in the park" to "shot through the head at point-blank range" and it's a whole different kettle of bollocks. You see, that's about as much sense as you're making with this argument.

I personally have no problem with letting the KKK or Nazi party express their opinions, as they just end up looking utterly absurd anyway. However, Linden Lab has established that they do not tolerate hate speech, so they would not associate with those groups on that basis. You have completely had your free speech - it doesn't mean it won't be challenged.

Ok then - lets follow this down the line then.. it was offered to others, and special interest cases... this is a web community - another group - no different.
We have all had the opportunity - via ebay - to get a group with its own name.

So... whats the problem? This is what I'm having a hard time seeing.

No. No. No.

"Hate groups" is a term widely used for these types of organizations.

"Offensive" covers a much wider area and is very subjective.

cus the world suicide just gives us the "warm fuzzies" huh?

Csven: "I'm still looking for the sources for all these facts you're posting. Where is the "active" promotion? Where is the "applause"? And can you outline the "special benefits"? I'd honestly like to see where you're getting your information to concretely post these statements.

"Thank you (#2)"

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Special benefits - last name exclusive to them, 402something meters of free land to play on.

Promotion - the fact that this group has been elevated above other groups in SL with these special privileges. The fact that they approached the Suicide Girls and offered them these things.

Applause - well, the message is clear to me, that the Lindens consider this group pretty terrific. And if it isn't clear to you, just read the description of the group Wilder wrote on the group page.

coco

It seems it is because it is porn, and not high brow academic pursuits.

Hehe funnily enough I agree - I've always said what they need is a free primtime live hour long show on after Oprah.
Everytime they open their mouths half the worlds population says 'WTF?' the crap that comes outta their mouths is the best protest against them ever invented.

Now you could be wrong. They might teach classes on:

"The fine art of spanking"
"How to subscribe to our rl sexy site"
"How to make your AV look Hot"

Dunno could fall under educational funding

Ah well - even if it was porn - and even if the idea was to promote porn in SL (which has been here forever anyways)... I would have to say this:

Any technology that is good and worthwhile has been poo-pooed by just about everyone... Except the porn industry.. The porn industry embraced every new media technology first before it was mainstream.. from the Video Camera and Cassette, to the internet.

If the porn industry thinks SL is 'good tech' - then this too is a *good thing* (for me anyways).


Then again - I like porn.

I'm stating these as facts we know of right now. We know - and I said - that they have been given these two things.

But you bring up good questions:

Did the Suicide Girls pay for their exclusive last name, in cash or some form of barter?

Did the Suicide Girls pay for their group land, in cash or some form of barter?

coco

And then they could go into the land baroning business !!

And kick my dog and make the baby jesus cry!

Eh Leck - I think a 'Welcome the SG's to SL' edition of Fucktard Radio Live is called for -- start promoting dude!

Well they got a nice free chunk to start off with

Already rolling it around the twists of my mind.

It's kind of iffy. I'm not crazy about the name, and think it is in poor taste, but it is not the end of the world. It was their choice to make. I just look at the whole name as yet a trite expression of how edgy and goth they supposedly are. Again, not my thing, but to each their own. I am curious what the limit is though. THe entire association is a surprising choice - I don't think I would have picked a porn site as my first big experiment in community building, but then I don't work for LL.

I don't mind porn (I rather enjoy it from time to time), it doesn't bother me in the slightest, and the sexual side of SL doesn't bother me so I have zero problem with any of this really. I'm not one who gets up in arms because person X is getting a different deal than person Y, probably because I deal with this every day in the real world of business. I've always thought that LL's business is theirs to run. We can certainly play armchair quarterbacks, but in the end, we are just customers. They are going to run their business as they see fit, even if it is into the ground. Hopefully it won't be.

I would have to say I pretty much agree there.

Cat

Well, the difference - as I tried to explain earlier - was that the university groups and all have some kind of purpose, and - not being a business like Wells Fargo - you might not want to charge money for it. Whereas I believe Wells Fargo paid for what they got.

The group/s for the mentally challenged - that is a terrific thing to do for people to expand their worlds, and I don't know if they are charged either, but you might not want to charge there either because it provides a social service.... oh I know what I'm thinking of, "The One World of Wilde Cunningham" I think it's called! A group I've happily read about wherever I've found something to read (at that fair that had the photo contest, for instance, maybe), and I was thrilled when that group bought one of my houses. I adore those people.

The universities and other visiting-fellow type people also serve a higher purpose, one which presumably will benefit SL as a whole, in that they are of an educational and research nature.

But all those are things I would either support or understand supporting. AND they are non-profit groups.

The Suicide Girls is a business, run by a man, for profit. There is no social purpose served in giving this group any extra benefits the rest of us don't get.

There is a guy somewhere, though, who runs a porn/erotica website, whose pockets will probably be lined as a result. I don't like that.

I imagine there is some quid pro quo going on here, and if so, I think it would be good if the Lindens explained exactly what it is. If not, then it is just a boneheaded idea to which many will object.

coco

As is your choice to interact or avoid these avatars in SL - these are not naked people in the flesh and you might be able to resist the temptation to visit their site (though you seem to have spent quite a bit of time there already - based on your previous posts; you've certainly been there more than I).

At this point I've seen no indication of "active" promotion of this group. All I've seen is self-righteous individuals getting upset and attempting to claim moral superiority on this non-issue. Why are people like you not protesting weapons in Second Life? Those are as real as these avatars and their name. Certainly injuring or killing another human being is more offensive than offending someone's eyes or ears. Where are your priorities??? Please don't tell me you enjoy watching violent movies too!



Define "lowest common denominator". While you're doing that, maybe we should see what the Amish have to say about you spending time in SL. I'd venture they say Christians of your mettle aren't doing the religion any favors.