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02-09-2006 15:28
From: Lewis Nerd
That isn't the issue or the problem - it's LL's choice of who to choose to generate membership through that's what is causing the real upset, in case you hadn't noticed.

Lewis


Why should this upset anyone? It's their BUSINESS. If you don't like how they conduct their BUSINESS, you take your time and money elsewhere.

However, if you really came to SL as you suggest to help spread your Christian beliefs, then you should be overjoyed that LL is bringing so many into SL who you believe might benefit from what you have to say. Go git'em tiger!
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02-09-2006 15:30
From: Csven Concord
I'm glad you said this. Seems to me you should be welcoming these people, not insulting them and using remarks and phrases like "lowest common denominator". Perhaps you should reinvestigate the real reason you're in SL, because your behavior and your remarks suggests to me - and perhaps others - that you've lost your way.


I find it rather amusing how I am getting blased for being "anti" some group of porn stars, yet the many people who are anti-furry are perfectly able to share their point of view. The difference? Theirs fits the majority view, whereas mine doesn't.

Amongst the people I have met in SL, many of them are actively seeking people and places that are not part of the 'pixel sex scene' in game. Although we are not a 'formal group' in any capacity, we do happen to think alike, enjoy doing the same things, and have fun.

I actually came here in the first place because I liked the idea of being able to build pretty much anything that I wanted. That I have been able to do, and continue to be able to do, whether the SG are here or not. So, I would say that I'm perfectly right in the place I want to be in SL. Last night I started building a waterfall on my property. Perhaps not the best in game, but it's a challenge and I'm enjoying working on it. Had a few nice comments already from people. I'll keep working on it, after that, not sure what my next project will be.

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02-09-2006 15:32
From: Moopf Murray
Cristiano, I don't mean to give you the fear, but do you think Lewis could be the new alt of a Mr. Bell. We're getting into scary territory here.


I am nobody's alt.

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02-09-2006 15:32
From: Yumi Murakami

But now, basically, LL have given a bunch of avatars a sign, floating over their head, that they've been vetted and authenticated as actual RL models/adult workers.



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02-09-2006 15:32
From: Cocoanut Cookie

The Suicide Girls is a business, run by a man, for profit. There is no social purpose served in giving this group any extra benefits the rest of us don't get.

There is a guy somewhere, though, who runs a porn/erotica website, whose pockets will probably be lined as a result. I don't like that.

I imagine there is some quid pro quo going on here, and if so, I think it would be good if the Lindens explained exactly what it is. If not, then it is just a boneheaded idea to which many will object.

coco


Ok we don't KNOW what the arrangement with SL is - or how much they pay - or whatever deals they made..

You can like or not - I can like it or not - but these are not our companies.. and not our decisions.

LL can give information - or not - as they see fit. We have no right nor entitlement to such info. If they give it, nice, if not well thats the way it goes. So imagine away - and I on the other hand - will see for myself and treat this as a group of new residents.
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02-09-2006 15:33
From: Lewis Nerd
I find it rather amusing how I am getting blased for being "anti" some group of porn stars, yet the many people who are anti-furry are perfectly able to share their point of view. The difference? Theirs fits the majority view, whereas mine doesn't.


I'm sorry but I just haven't experienced that of which you speak. I've seen plenty of anti-furry people shot down in these forums for their lack of tolerance as well.
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02-09-2006 15:33
Sex is everywhere in SL. People hit on people here all day, the Suicide Girls have nothing to do with it. There's no reasonable worry for their presence oppressing one's own.

I personally love what they are about. Not all of them do nude photos. I think it's cool that some do. Would I do it myself? Hell no, but I know I'm still teh sexy. :p

Still, I don't find using sexuality to promote SL is objectionable especially if they're promoting more on the self-assured sexy appeal. IMO, to think this is going to spark some flood of pornstars to SL is stretching it a bit far. But if they do, I think the next site they should look at is HotLatinoStrippers.com (that's a generic name I just made up ... Alejandro has a nice bum). :D

Anyways, nude pictures are a far cry from prostituting or exploiting oneself. My opinion has been consistent on that. :)

As for the last name being offensive, I guess I've got thick-skin since that word doesn't phase me even though I've been there. I don't care that groups get special last names just for them. I wouldn't want one myself. I don't need that privilege to feel like I'm a valued customer.

I just hope the girls are getting a warmer welcome in-world, and are not on the receiving end of any perceived stigmas seen in this thread.
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02-09-2006 15:33
From: Yumi Murakami
Actually, there's a chance this is being done to weaken porn in SL.

See, the whole porn-in-SL thing involves a lot of suspension of disbelief: namely, believing that that sexy female avatar writhing on that pole is a sexy female, and treating her that way in character, when you know there's a good chance she's really isn't.

But now, basically, LL have given a bunch of avatars a sign, floating over their head, that they've been vetted and authenticated as actual RL models/adult workers.

It seems to me there's a risk that'll uncork the RL bottle. Suddenly, people may start to be more interested in the RL person they're dealing with - "after all, that girl whose last name is Suicide is effectively (by having that last name) telling me about her RL, so if you won't, what must that mean about you?"


You make a good point. I'm hoping the Suicide Girls are not connecting who they are on their website and who they are in Second Life, not because I'm incredibly jealous or threatened, but because it could be dangerous if their real information was available here and on their website, or if residents could connect their SL self with their SG self. It's fine to build a relationship and then share more personal information and eventually pictures, then eventually meet in real life with someone they learn to trust. Its not fine if they suddenly develop a contingent of stalkers from Second Life.
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02-09-2006 15:35
From: Csven Concord
Why should this upset anyone? It's their BUSINESS. If you don't like how they conduct their BUSINESS, you take your time and money elsewhere.

However, if you really came to SL as you suggest to help spread your Christian beliefs, then you should be overjoyed that LL is bringing so many into SL who you believe might benefit from what you have to say. Go git'em tiger!


Same old story... if you don't like it, play some other game... such a tired pathetic old statement.

I never once stated I cam here solely to share my faith with others... the opportunity when it arises is a bonus, not my reason for being here. I just posted a long thing about enjoying building, go read that.

Lewis
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Csven Concord
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02-09-2006 15:36
From: Lewis Nerd
I find it rather amusing how I am getting blased for being "anti" some group of porn stars, yet the many people who are anti-furry are perfectly able to share their point of view. The difference? Theirs fits the majority view, whereas mine doesn't.


You're suggesting here that my view is somehow aligned with anyone else's. It's not. I'm not "anti" anything that doesn't hurt people. And I don't see how some RL models being in SL directly hurts anyone. I'm a live and let live kinda person.

I'm following this for a reason I've not seen discussed. The closest is Yumi's comment. That's all.
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02-09-2006 15:36
From: Csven Concord
I was referring to the "actively promoting" comments. Are those also guesses?

Considering that the Lindens approached them, I would guess that it was active and to actively promote them, yes.

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02-09-2006 15:39
The Linden reply:

From: someone

Suicide Girls in Second Life FAQ

Q. Is there a deal/agreement/contract between Linden Lab and the Suicide Girls?

A. No

Q. Were the Suicide Girls approached by Linden Lab to join Second Life as a part of a program or promotion?

A. No

Q. Were the Suicide Girls given a special offer to check out Second Life?

A. Yes

Q. Do the Suicide Girls owe Linden Lab something in return?

A. No

Q. Why did Linden Lab do this?

A. There is an interest in seeing how existing web communities can extend what they offer members by having a virtual space where they can meet and interact. The Suicide Girls have a very active community and Second Life is a good fit for them to be able to meet and greet each other as well as their site members.



So your above post it blatantly false.

(addendum - when I say 'above post' I mean Coco's suppostiion)
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02-09-2006 15:41
From: Lewis Nerd
Same old story... if you don't like it, play some other game... such a tired pathetic old statement.


No. This is "if you don't like it, take your business elsewhere". This has been used to great effect by many conservative Christian groups in recent years. Perhaps you believe their activities are also "tire" and "pathetic"?

From: Lewis Nerd
I never once stated I cam here solely to share my faith with others... the opportunity when it arises is a bonus, not my reason for being here. I just posted a long thing about enjoying building, go read that.

Lewis

No. You didn't make a definitive statement. You made a very, very strong suggestion:

From: Lewis Nerd
If Christians lock themselves away from the rest of the world, how are they going to achieve anything and tell anyone? Jesus got flak for hanging around with the thieves, prostitutes and tax collectors - yet the "lowest of the low" in society of the time were exactly the sort of people who needed to hear His message the most. There is a reason I play SL.


Is there also a reason you're making elusive, suggestive comments like the one above?
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02-09-2006 15:45
From: Siggy Romulus
Ok we don't KNOW what the arrangement with SL is - or how much they pay - or whatever deals they made..

You can like or not - I can like it or not - but these are not our companies.. and not our decisions.

LL can give information - or not - as they see fit. We have no right nor entitlement to such info. If they give it, nice, if not well thats the way it goes. So imagine away - and I on the other hand - will see for myself and treat this as a group of new residents.

Understand that I, too, will treat these people as a group of new residents. That isn't the issue.

Lindens can do whatever the heck they want and they don't have to tell us a thing about what they did or why.

And I can give my opinion on it, and urge something different, and give my reasons. As a customer, that is my right.

A smart company will take feedback from their customers into consideration, and I believe we have seen the Lindens do that before.

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02-09-2006 15:46
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Considering that the Lindens approached them, I would guess that it was active and to actively promote them, yes.

coco


When I ask a woman out to dinner, I'm not "actively promoting" her.
When I ask a friend to join me for a celebration, I'm not "actively promoting" him or her.
If I ask a group of friends to log into SL, I'm not "actively promoting" them.

Perhaps you should share your definition of "promote".

And what of your other comments in that list? Should we be expecting other definitions as well?
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02-09-2006 15:47
From: Csven Concord
No. This is "if you don't like it, take your business elsewhere". This has been used to great effect by many conservative Christian groups in recent years. Perhaps you believe their activities are also "tire" and "pathetic"?


No. You didn't make a definitive statement. You made a very, very strong suggestion:



Is there also a reason you're making elusive, suggestive comments like the one above?


ya'll stay put, no one needs to be going anywhere over any opinion. geez.
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02-09-2006 15:50
From: Martin Magpie
ya'll stay put, no one needs to be going anywhere over any opinion. geez.


It's when opinions become moral imperatives that issues arise. The call to action doesn't come from those keeping their opinions in check.
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02-09-2006 15:54
From: Csven Concord
It's when opinions become moral imperatives that issues arise. The call to action doesn't come from those keeping their opinions in check.


who's morals. who's opinions. I think that is the root of a problem I see. They obviously differ. Which is fine. BUT lets not start suggesting ppl leave sl if they dont agree with the majority of forum posters. 20 ppl does not a SL make :)
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02-09-2006 16:04
From: Lewis Nerd
I find it rather amusing how I am getting blased for being "anti" some group of porn stars, yet the many people who are anti-furry are perfectly able to share their point of view. The difference? Theirs fits the majority view, whereas mine doesn't.


No you are not being "blasted" for your point of view and there have been plenty of people who have been blasted for being anti-furry. You are being called out for hypocrisy. In a very short period of time you have denounced the Suicide Girls as being the "lowest common denominator" and want to make sure you can ban all of them from your land. Then shortly after that, you said that Jesus hung out with the "lowest common denominator" of humanity.

If you don't want to associate with SGs, fine. You do not have to. I'm pretty sure they won't be flocking to your door, either. Personally, I know nothing about them, except what I've read here (no I have not even come close to reading this entire thread, too full of conjecture for my taste). I'm not going to judge the people because of the group. I know I've done some things in my life that I'm most certain would place me amongst your "lowest common denominator" of humanity. Glad to see the Christianty is working for you. Now if you could just remove the mote.
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02-09-2006 16:06
From: Martin Magpie
who's morals. who's opinions. I think that is the root of a problem I see. They obviously differ. Which is fine. BUT lets not start suggesting ppl leave sl if they dont agree with the majority of forum posters. 20 ppl does not a SL make :)


That is the root of the problem. And when Lewis in one entry (in the previous thread I believe) effectively divided the SL community into two camps - the "moral" and the immoral - you can guess on which side many here suddenly fell.

His opinion.
His Judgement.

If he finds the situation so morally outrageous that he cannot refrain from comments which can be considered by some - myself included - to be both insulting and without basis, I think he should reconsider why he's here {based on the suggestion he made earlier - not bc he likes building things}.
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02-09-2006 16:19
The bottom line for me is still no one should be told/asked/expected/hinted to leave SL over an opinion in the fourms. That's just not right. SL is a world onto it's self. I don't talk to any of these ppl in world on a regular basis. They don't affect my IW experience, nor should any topic discussion here in the (minority of SL users) forums affect anyones IW experiences.

Most ppl don't even bother with these forums anymore. Hell I don't take them seriously anymore either. Live and let live. :) I still say Lewis has a right to be treated with decency, just as every poster does in a discussion. "He asked for it" naw, it's just an opinon.

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02-09-2006 16:45
From: Joy Honey

I know nothing about them, except what I've read here (no I have not even come close to reading this entire thread, too full of conjecture for my taste)..


I went to the website and had a peek after asking Jonquille what she knew.

I had a scout around and to me it looked like alternative models.. and by alternative I mean 'no waifs with thong hanging looslely where bootycake aughta be'.

I saw a bunch of models with tats, peircings, some goth, some more punk, some with some 'junk in the trunk'.. Bunch of beautiful ladies if you ask me.

I didn't find porn though.. mind you I don't count 'bewbies' as porn - not more 'pornagraphic' than WWII pilots who painted Miss Page and her pinup sisters on their planes anyways.

Your milage may vary - but thats what I saw.
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02-09-2006 16:50
From: Siggy Romulus
I went to the website and had a peek after asking Jonquille what she knew.

I had a scout around and to me it looked like alternative models.. and by alternative I mean 'no waifs with thong hanging looslely where bootycake aughta be'.

I saw a bunch of models with tats, peircings, some goth, some more punk, some with some 'junk in the trunk'.. Bunch of beautiful ladies if you ask me.

I didn't find porn though.. mind you I don't count 'bewbies' as porn - not more 'pornagraphic' than WWII pilots who painted Miss Page and her pinup sisters on their planes anyways.

Your milage may vary - but thats what I saw.


I did go to one link yesterday. Saw the same thing you did. Had no idea about any porn connection and, quite frankly, don't care if there is one. Again, these are people who just live their lives differently than I. Who the hell am I to judge? Or anyone else for that matter.
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02-09-2006 16:54
From: Martin Magpie
The bottom line for me is still no one should be told/asked/expected/hinted to leave SL over an opinion in the fourms.


For reference:

From: Lewis Nerd
Unfortunately when an issue such as this becomes a moral one, it is quite clear that many people have none whatsoever, and those who stand up for the moral viewpoint get attacked for being "narrow minded" or whatever.


When an opinion is turned into an issue is turned into an attack on moral character - mine and others - I will most certainly exercise my right to suggest a reconsideration of not just their being here but their general behavior as well (e.g. Saying "Your name is certainly not one that a Christian would have chosen...." and then proudly implying that being named after a raunchy movie character is something a real Christian would do!).

There's something "just not right" in that as well. There's also something "just not right" in taking an aggressive posture against people someone's never met (e.g. the "as long as they stay out of my way" comment).

So while I agree Lewis has a right to be treated with decency, I think he should extend that same courtesy to others as well. And that includes being careful not to make comments like "maybe I need to take my money somewhere else". It's what opens the doors to suggestions like mine.
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02-09-2006 17:00
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