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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-10-2006 03:11
From: Lewis Nerd
So the bottom line is that every time LL do something that anyone dislikes, instead of sharing their opinion and discussing the matter we should just quietly leave because SL obviously isn't for us.


Still beating that drum, are we?

Knock it off, will ya? You know damn well you're not being attacked for having an opinion, but rather the fact that you blatently insulted a bunch of people.

Holding opinions = good
Insulting people = bad

And then later for trying to turn this into a "moral" issue, with you on the "moral" side and everyone who doesn't agree with you as "immoral".
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02-10-2006 03:15
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Still beating that drum, are we?

Knock it off, will ya? You know damn well you're not being attacked for having an opinion, but rather the fact that you blatently insulted a bunch of people.

Holding opinions = good
Insulting people = bad

And then later for trying to turn this into a "moral" issue, with you on the "moral" side and everyone who doesn't agree with you as "immoral".

If you count the locked thread, it's like 78 pages and counting.

This is not to say that Ingrid didn't have valid questions and points - she did - it's to say that some people have dragged the snake oil wagon into town, and some of us won't sit idly by.
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Lewis Nerd
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02-10-2006 03:15
From: Siggy Romulus
Ah no you don't have conflicting info - the quote Cris says they WEREN'T approched by LL yours says 'we are open to helping other groups'

Wheres the confict?


Read what Wilder said to me: "and i can certainly extend myself to them as well" - the implication is that Wilder will approach other groups "in the same way I approached SG".

It doesn't actually matter who approached who - the statement I am trying to make despite your best trolling attempts to derail the debate is that SG was a very poor choice as a first 'experiment' for this latest marketing gimmick.

Lewis
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02-10-2006 03:19
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Still beating that drum, are we?

Knock it off, will ya? You know damn well you're not being attacked for having an opinion, but rather the fact that you blatently insulted a bunch of people.

Holding opinions = good
Insulting people = bad

And then later for trying to turn this into a "moral" issue, with you on the "moral" side and everyone who doesn't agree with you as "immoral".


How many people are insulting me for holidng an opinion?

You can't say that this isn't a hot debate - all caused by shortsightedness on the part of Wilder Linden. If nobody cared either way, this would have died out long ago, yet it rumbles on. Proves it's caused a lot of upset on both sides.

Lewis
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Yuriko Muromachi
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02-10-2006 03:20
From: Nolan Nash
Nicely said.


Thank you.

It's funny, I noticed I only get to post rational posts, after I've read the entire thread. (^_^)

This thread has actually made me curious enough to look for an SG girl later when I get home and online, enough to let me pause in my gown making to check them out (as in to meet okay :p not like how boys 'check out' girls...err nevermind... ^_^;; )

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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-10-2006 03:25
From: Lewis Nerd
How many people are insulting me for holidng an opinion?


None.

From: Lewis Nerd
You can't say that this isn't a hot debate - all caused by shortsightedness on the part of Wilder Linden. If nobody cared either way, this would have died out long ago, yet it rumbles on. Proves it's caused a lot of upset on both sides.


Yes, but the "sides" seem, well... lopsided.

The lindens could say they were changing the brand of coffee served in their office from Folgers to Maxwell House and there would be pages and pages of hot-tempered arguement.
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02-10-2006 03:26
From: Yuriko Muromachi


Thank you.

It's funny, I noticed I only get to post rational posts, after I've read the entire thread. (^_^)

This thread has actually made me curious enough to look for an SG girl later when I get home and online, enough to let me pause in my gown making to check them out (as in to meet okay :p not like how boys 'check out' girls...err nevermind... ^_^;; )

Mew

You're welcome, I wish I could touch on upon the finer points like that without pissing people off, as I seem to do. It certainly is sound logic (your prior post) , in my eyes.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-10-2006 03:27
Maxwell House!!!! an outrage
They should use Rocket Fuel, with twice the caffiene, and guarana added.
I demand compensation , because i expect the lindens to be highly caffinated
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02-10-2006 03:28
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Maxwell House!!!! an outrage
They should use Rocket Fuel, with twice the caffiene, and guarana added.
I demand compensation , because i expect the lindens to be highly caffinated

SL2!!!
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02-10-2006 03:39
From: Reitsuki Kojima
None.

Yes, but the "sides" seem, well... lopsided.


I see plenty attacking me for daring to speak out against the promotion of a porn business through this 'opportunity'.

Where, out of the 100 or so SG's that have signed up, are they? I think I saw one post here a couple of times, that's it.

We also haven't had much more 'official' input. I know it's been overnight but I hope a Linden can explain more, because I see the debate rumbling on and on.

Maybe the reception given to the SG has put LL off of following through with this scheme? I honestly can't see that they didn't expect this to happen.

Lewis
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Moopf Murray
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02-10-2006 03:42
From: Reitsuki Kojima
None.


In fairness I did, I called him an idiot after realising that he's in cloud cuckoo land. A description I still stand by 100%.

Seriously anybody who can make a leap from the Suicide Girls to the KKK and American Nazi party, and feel that that's rational, really is an idiot.
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02-10-2006 03:46
From: Lewis Nerd
You can't say that this isn't a hot debate - all caused by shortsightedness on the part of Wilder Linden. If nobody cared either way, this would have died out long ago, yet it rumbles on. Proves it's caused a lot of upset on both sides.


Upset? On both sides? I think the only person who's upset here is you, and possible Martin Magpie/Catherine Cotton (but then, that's nothing new and is the normal state of affairs). Others may have disagreed with the decision but have done so in a level headed way. You've just shot out of the Earth's atmosphere with your connections, reasoning and sense of entitlement. Any "upset" you feel from the other side, you're misguided on. I could care less if people disagree with the decision, that's their right, what I don't appreciate is the falacy of your arguments that have become more extreme as this thread has progressed.

Go forward Christian Solider, save the masses.
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02-10-2006 03:46
From: Lewis Nerd
I see plenty attacking me for daring to speak out against the promotion of a porn business through this 'opportunity'.

Where, out of the 100 or so SG's that have signed up, are they? I think I saw one post here a couple of times, that's it.

We also haven't had much more 'official' input. I know it's been overnight but I hope a Linden can explain more, because I see the debate rumbling on and on.

Maybe the reception given to the SG has put LL off of following through with this scheme? I honestly can't see that they didn't expect this to happen.

Lewis



Most SL users don't use the forums.
I have spoken to 3 suicide girls inworld. All very pleasant, and had a lengthy, and enjoyable chat with one, which FYI lewis, didn't involve sex, and ranged from general observations about SL, to star wars.

Maybe theyve more to do with their time than sit on the forums reading the bullshit you post about them. Coincidentally, when i was talking inworld to them, i was also on the forums, as were you at the time, but you werent inworld lewis, as a search on find revealed.

Maybe you should spend more time inworld lewis, instead of trying to stir up hate against a group of new residents on the forums.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-10-2006 03:52
From: Lewis Nerd
I see plenty attacking me for daring to speak out against the promotion of a porn business through this 'opportunity'.


You see plenty of people attacking you for insulting a ton of people. The rest is just your free bonus for having done so.

From: Lewis Nerd
Where, out of the 100 or so SG's that have signed up, are they? I think I saw one post here a couple of times, that's it.


If I were them, I would be staying far away from these threads.
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Selador Cellardoor
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02-10-2006 03:57
From: Siggy Romulus
The Linden reply:

There is an interest in seeing how existing web communities can extend what they offer members by having a virtual space where they can meet and interact. The Suicide Girls have a very active community and Second Life is a good fit for them to be able to meet and greet each other as well as their site members.



So who is going to be first to produce the old man in a dirty raincoat av?
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02-10-2006 04:04
From: Lucifer Baphomet
Maybe you should spend more time inworld lewis, instead of trying to stir up hate against a group of new residents on the forums.


I spend plenty of time in-game, thankyou. It just happens to be that I enjoy using the forums, which are provided as part of the fee I pay each month to LL. I'm sorry you don't like me using them.

I don't quite understand how I am 'stirring up hate' when all I am doing is sharing my point of view, perfectly within my rights and also within the community standards. You disagree, fine. I'm big enough to handle that fact. Are you?

Lewis
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Siggy Romulus
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02-10-2006 04:04
From: Lewis Nerd
Read what Wilder said to me: "and i can certainly extend myself to them as well" - the implication is that Wilder will approach other groups "in the same way I approached SG".

It doesn't actually matter who approached who - the statement I am trying to make despite your best trolling attempts to derail the debate is that SG was a very poor choice as a first 'experiment' for this latest marketing gimmick.

Lewis


So you kinda read into it and then said that... ok..

It DOES matter who approached who - it makes a world of difference because 3/4 of your indignace comes from 'LL going out and actively recruiting a porn group' (your drama not mine).

My 'best trolling efforts' seem to be all you can say when I show you 'Ah.. thats now how it went down according to the spokesperson'..

So trolling = showing you contrary evidence.

Ok.. cool we got that outta the way..

Also - its hardly the first time they've done this (shown also countless times).
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Siggy Romulus
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02-10-2006 04:07
From: Lewis Nerd
I see plenty attacking me for daring to speak out against the promotion of a porn business through this 'opportunity'.

Where, out of the 100 or so SG's that have signed up, are they? I think I saw one post here a couple of times, that's it.

Lewis


Use the find tool.

Maybe they don't wanna read the forums.. I beleive they have their own.. being an online community and all.

Ooops my bad - showing evidence contrary to what you've already invented .. guess thats trolling.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-10-2006 04:08
Lewis....
In earlier posts, youve plainly stated that the people who come to SL through the suicide girls are "not thec sort of people we want in SL", ok your language isnt strong, but its not far from the rhetoric of the nazis over the jews.

If you think that comparrison os over the top, may i remind you you lumped the suicide girls in with nazis and the KKK

Whats good for the goose......
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-10-2006 04:09
From: Lewis Nerd
I don't quite understand how I am 'stirring up hate' when all I am doing is sharing my point of view, perfectly within my rights and also within the community standards.


If you can't distinguish between "Stating opinions" and "Attacking someone", I think we've found the root problem.
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02-10-2006 04:11
From: Moopf Murray
Martin Magpie/Catherine Cotton



Why does that remind me of the Ulster Unionists's 'Sinn Fein/IRA'?
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02-10-2006 04:12
From: Siggy Romulus
Maybe they don't wanna read the forums.. I beleive they have their own.. being an online community and all


Well if everyone who supports them being in game would go and post there, and leave the debate off of this forum, everyone can be happy.

Lewis
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Siggy Romulus
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02-10-2006 04:13
Tell you a bigger issue here:

A 'greeter' telling me who 'we' want in SL..

Thats something far bigger than some alternative models forming a group in SL.

I mean - seriously - do 'we' want some judgmental puritanical prick greeting people as they come into Second Life?
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-10-2006 04:14
From: Selador Cellardoor
Why does that remind me of the Ulster Unionist's 'Sinn Fein/IRA'?



We both have beards Selador .... if like me youve had people compare you to Gerry Addams because of it, that might explain it
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Seldor, that was an evil post, you made me inhale my coffee.
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02-10-2006 04:15
From: Lewis Nerd
Well if everyone who supports them being in game would go and post there, and leave the debate off of this forum, everyone can be happy.

Lewis


Yah and if you cut your fingers off you'd have no more problems with the forums either.

Thats about as retarded as I can get to your statement. It's about the same as a 'shut the fuck up'

It's like me saying 'if you don't like SL -- leave' - which I know you took high offense at (although I really wish you would).
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