Suicide Girls Redux

I really can't tell if you're serious here, or if you really think people are this nihilistic and willing to throw in the towel if they can't be the absolute best at every single thing, and included in every single thing. "My body is never going to look like Selma Hayak's, so what's the point in exercise or eating right or even wearing clothes that match? I may as well just give up now and sink into a cesspool of sloth and despair! Boo hoo."

Most rational people aren't going to use a last name, or group association, as the be-all and end-all of what's 'cool' anyway. Some people think being a Trekkie is the epitome of cool, and I think I have no interest in it whatsoever. Most people are going to go about their daily lives and second lives, doing the best they can, satisfied when they do well, even if it doesn't grant them instant adoration and acceptance.

Unless you were into that kind of thing.

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OH! You said uptight. I was thinking... I mean... Yeah. Uh, what you, uh, said.

Haha, it's probably a good thing that Ulrika took her leave from SL for personal reasons before all this came to light. Who's with me in thinking that she would have had an absolute conniption over LL giving a (no matter how loose or tenuous it might be) public endorsement to a porn site!

Tee hee, I got a good chuckle out of the thought of that. (I can hear it now: "Porn site, der!" Oh, I crack me up today!!

Its still PG-friendly, even if you say "suicide bomber". Whether a word or phrase is PG or not has nothing to do with "how people like it". I'm pretty sure people don't like AIDS or cancer, but should those words be banned? You're attempting to legislate taste, and failing to see the difference between "PG" and "fun topic to talk about."



Wrong again. I've had friends who have killed themselves in RL, unfortunately. However, I won't let that affect the way I see a play on words for the rest of my life.



Please show me where I said the act of 'suicide' is harmless fun. I didn't say that. I said the word was PG in SL's meaning of the term, which it is. Would you ban all the TV shows which have used the word "Suicide" in any context? I can remember lots of bad sit-coms from the 1980s that would be RIGHT out the window. And forget about playing Judas Priest on the radio ever again! If you're pro-censorship, just say it; but if you're pro-censorship, then a lot of the freedoms of SL are not for you. YAY FOR CENSORSHIP!

Regards,

-Flip

OMG! You must be... ULRIKA'S alt! Or at least channeling her spirit. Oh, how I miss her already.

Holy Crap! I can't think of a subject I care less about than this one!!!

M*A*S*H's theme song was titled Suicide Is Painless.

The horror... the horror.

Then I'll just have to start a thread about the color of lint brushes being made in Flint, Michigan!

Campaign Finance Reform.

/me forms a 527 group for drama

SL is not RL. RL has more consequences for this sort of thing. By living your RL you're not giving up time that you could spend by doing something else, and you can't just quit unless you, um, commit suicide.

And it's not a case of "every single thing"; it's a case of "the thing you want to do". It's always been the case that some people who might want to be "famous" content creators in SL aren't able to because they aren't talented enough; but, ok, SL can't do anything about that. Now it's going further. Now it's saying that some people who might want to be "famous" models/dancers/whatever in SL can't do it, because everyone can know whether they are one IRL or not and will naturally favour the ones who are. And this can have something done about it - namely, removing the tag that lets people tell which is which.

It will be interesting to see what happens, as this is the first time the more social-type users of SL have been subjected to something like this.

Oh come on, go read the off-topic section dude. That word and others like it are all over the place. If you're going to start making a stink about the word suicide, then you may as well do so about murder, rape and so on. They are regularly used in these forums, and those words fit Jeska's description of what is PG. They are acceptible, and the day folks like you win out, so that you can have your desire to set up a fakey world, where everything is "safe" for your delicate sensibilities, is the day I stop paying LL over a hundred bucks a month, and find another place to go.

My uncle shot himself in the head. We were very close, as he helped raise me after my father was killed. It was tragic, and affected me greatly. Do I want the word suicide to be hidden from me for the rest of my life because of it? No.

By the way, Jezebel and Trollop are available last names now too! (So is Nolan, and I bet that would offend a LOT of people!) LOL!

Oh the horror!

They seriously need to go back to the traditional red color.

Subjected to what? Enough of this, already. Not everyone sees personal failure the success of others. It terrifies me that you have this worldview. It must be very depressing.

Through early morning fog I see
Visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see

That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please

The game of life is hard to play
I'm Gonna to lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
So this is all I have to say

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please

The sword of time will peirce our skin
It doesnt hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger watch it grin

Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please

A brave man once requested me
To answere
questions that are key
Is it to be or not to be
And i replied oh why ask me

That suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please

And you can do the same thing if you please

I just had an interesting look at the Group.

Out of all the 100 members and officers, only one person shows as owning land in this group.

Wilder Linden - 7230 sq m.

I have checked Wilder's other groups, and it says they have donated 0 sq m to the other groups that they belong to.

Is it incorrect to assume that through this association, this group has been given a free parcel of land by a Linden as part of the 'deal'?

If this is true..... this truly does break LL's own code of ethics. Not only that, it's a smack in the teeth for every paying SL member too.

Lewis

Hey, quit using my material.

How does it break their code of ethics?? LL can give free land or service to any customer or group of customers they choose. Did you notice their offer of a private island for a year to the person who can solve the plugin interaction problem with Firefox? OMG how unethical. No business is ever under any obligation to give their customers all the exact same deal. I, for example, have 4096m of tier for no monthly fee, as I bought a lifetime account in beta. A large group of people also have 1024m of tier for their premium fee instead of 512, as anyone who was here before version 1.2 was granted that when we switched to land tiers. Oh no! Not everyone has the exact same deal. That is business 101.

How many other people are going to tier down or quit in disgust over this whole sordid affair? You see, by deliberately choosing to do something that they knew would provoke a reaction on both sides of the argument, LL have shot themselves in the foot whatever happens. I seriously wonder quite what goes on in the meetings where they decide these stupid ideas - because when you drive away more paying members than you gain from an action, that's not good for business or SL's future in the slightest.

Lewis

btw, Lewis, just curious. Where do you keep your personal stash? Faxes folder? Portable hard drive? Hidden partition?

I must be missing something here. Could somebody explain why the word "suicide" is offensive? Some people might find it disturbing, or saddening, or be uncomfortable with it, but how on earth is it offensive?

Are people just getting the word offensive mixed up with other, more accurate, descriptions of what they feel about the word "suicide"?

If it's suddenly an offensive word then I missed that particular meeting, sorry to say.

You're speculating.

I'd say that anyone who leaves SL over the last name Suicide shouldn't be playing games anyway, they should be seeing a doctor.

Haha, I am SO not Ulrika's alt - thanks for the compliment, though.

I may not have agreed with Ulrika 100% of the time, but I had tremendous respect for her fortitude to protest what she felt was wrong and not just follow along with what everybody else (aka "the herd" decided was okay. She will be missed in SL.

I have had several friends and relatives die of cancer, I think "cancer" should be stricken from the forums and SL too, except in Mature areas!

Oh! A minivan ran me over in 1988 - I nearly died of blood loss that day - was touch and go for a couple hours - so I think "Minivan" should be stricken too, because it conjures up visions of death for me!

"War" too! My dad was killed in one!

Save me from my own mind!

I was gong to take a few days off from these forums after reading that last thread. However I'm still discusted; so I'm posting what I realy feel.

I find that last name very offensive. Whats next a special subscription for; "Billy Bob Bigot group?" When a name has a negative meaning its going to be taken in a negative way. LL can sugar coat this all they want. It is what it is, negative.

I see the name, it is negative. All I keep thinking is "How desperate is LL for subscribers that they allow things that are against their own CS?" How hard would it of been to of named them Suicidegirls and have them post the link to their web in each of their signatures. I would of found that less offensive.

This is nothing more than a bad marketing ploy IMO. Tera Nova, Boing Boing, Suicide Girls. It's all connected, Duh. Google it, nothing more than one hand washing the other on this one.

Cat

Well, Moopf, Nolan kind of unwittingly explained it in his earlier post. I.E: You don't see "Murder" or "Rape" or any other act of violence in the last name list, do you? Cops classify suicide as an act of violence.

Cristiano: How does it break their code of ethics? It doesn't, because they don't have one! hahahahahahahaha ask me another.

As far as the land deal is concerned, it's this way:

"Linden Lab Gives Special Last Name and Free Land to Porn Site Members!"

How do you get free land for your group in SL? Take off your clothes! (And be female.)

coco