Suicide Girls Redux

I think that the SG site and models are amazing, and that LL should be proud of any association (however tenuous) they have with them! In fact, I think they should post that they have recently added to SL a loosely-organized community of soft-core porn site models on the SL front page -- right next to the part where it says, "Join Teen SL!" And maybe even do a press release about it. These are both things they did when they added the names tailored to attract departing, disgruntled There members way back when (since some of those names have been noted in this and the previous thread). Then the messages about how LL is or isn't marketing SL wouldn't be so mixed, as they seem (to me, anyway) to be right now.

(I tip my hat to anyone who can get LL to do a customized name for them. Let's face it, Flipper has been trying for that for almost two years, and he's a pillar of the SL community. )

Welcome SG models! LL should be proud to have attracted you to SL, however they did it.

No problem, Sansayra. I don't think I was "strident," however. Unless you call being direct, to the point, and asking obvious questions "strident."

coco

Huh, interesting question. Didn't INXS's lead singer commit suicide? Michael whateverhisnamewas? What were the lyrics to that song... something like "the color of her hair was suicide blonde"?



woo-hoo!

Regards,

-Flip

Personally I would find the last name Bukkake hilarious. But then, I'm about as crass as they come.

Considering the wanton insanity that the community devotes to itself every day, why is an "edgy" last name even a big deal? Consider that most of them probably won't play SL ever again. Another 10 or so will stay around for 3-4 months, and then only one or two will be left by the end of December. I'm over it.

Meanwhile, people are fucking donkeys with prim dongs the size of the Bismarck, and no one bats an eyelash. There are entire RP communities devoted to the degradation and the objectivication of women, and they are applauded.

Hell, mate, there are even bukkake attachments. And human toilet furniture, to boot.

Getting a last name like Suicide is par for the course for this place anymore. We're all sick.

Read the description of the group.

coco

The models for this work posed nude for money. Those stinking whores!

I understand that the group name "Suicide Girls" is a play on words and not meant to be taken by it's true meaning but still think it's unacceptable for a last name.

First, There may be people in second life that may see this last name and be offended.

Second, Why was this group given a second last name of their own? If I want a last name are the Lindens going to give it to me?

Third, I checked out the "Suicide Girl" website and what I saw was nothing more then naked or half naked "Goth" looking chicks. I mean really if your going to give some sort a group a last name in second life does it have to be a group that does porn?

I am not saying the name is a big deal, it is just surprising that they allowed it. Believe me, I know what actually goes on in SL pales in comparison to a name like Suicide. I'm pretty much an anything goes kind of person. I am just reminded of the fact that LL would not allow Wuvme's alt to be named Dildo, but they allow Suicide as a name - it seems a bit uneven, that's all.

PS - when did you become Australian?

Bilinda is a super-hottie too! I'll have to start using your "THE" trick, that's great. Now, give me back my THE Barry Manilow records you borrowed from me, Aimee!



What would be even MORE hilarious would be the people who chose the last name without knowing its underworld meaning!

I am sure the Lindens would gladly give you your own last name. Bring an offer to the table, let the Lindens know how your group can bring exposure and more business to Second Life and I am sure they would be delighted to help.


I think Wilder will be working on building symbiotic relationships with many different kinds of groups and organizations.

There are at least 40,000 other things to be offended about in SL, things that are WAY more gregariously offensive than a last name could ever be, even if the last name were "Hitler" (Paging Dr. Godwin...)

The SL community and its subcultures are the hedonistic wounds of the human condition laid bare; you won't find a more open group of kinks and perversions than on the main grid and its private estates. The internet can't hold a candle to it.



Depends. Do you have 1000+ members of your community, and does your website have a devoted following that hits your website hundreds of thousands of times a day?

Also, are they naked?



Erotica, not porn. The definition is subjective anyway.

Besides, Goth is popular in SL; it's about the only clothing a guy can buy.

Um, if they want to make SL a platform, then yes it is. Other businesses aren't going to buy into a platform if they know there are existing members who got better deals than them, and it's not like it's hard to see what happened here!

What happens if a bunch of other web communities now decide not to move to SL unless they get a custom surname and a land bennie?

Wait - this isn't just like "Therian," is it? I mean, couldn't anyone choose that name while it remained a choice?

"Suicide" is not a choice on the sign-up page.

coco

After the kangaroo punched me in the mouth.

Well, no, not to anyone.

o rly

Walmart is a retail "platform". I can guarantee you they have different deals with their suppliers depending on volume and amount of profit involved. In fact, i'd be willing to wager that almost every deal is different. Companies aren't screaming about it; it's business. If everyone got a fair shake, we wouldn't have a free market, we'd have communism.



Bully for them. I'm sure There would love to have more people to buy inflated Therebux.

Seriously. I have to negiotiate small deals for work occasionally (advertising), and I always end up getting something a little sweeter than what is publicly on offer. This whole everyone must be equal stuff is not how business works (thank god). I have a hard time understanding where the expectation comes from.

That is silly. WHen I signed up for web hosting, I went with the rates available on their web site. I have no idea if customers who came before me got a better rate, or if a particular customer may be hosting a bunch of accounts with them and gets a discount. That is just normal business. Do you know the cell phone rate plans of every customer of your cell phone company? Did any get a special deal? It is ridiculous to think that companies don't have the freedom to set whatever terms they want with a customer, and is equally ridiculous to think we should be privvy to every deal ever made by a company.

I disagree. I think it happens every single day. Any business that brings the same opportunities to the table as Suicide Girls will likely get treated with equally favorable treatment. In fact, if you are bigger than Suicide Girls, and you have enormous clout... you could get a MUCH better deal from Linden Lab than the Suicide girls got. I don't think that will drive the girls out of SL.

LOL I never said that those other 40,000 things don't offend me. But why are they marketing "Suicide Girls" is Second Life pushing more into the porn industry? I mean will the name be changing soon to Sex Life?





No I don't have a sex website so no.




I call it porn.

I am glad you have joined the fray. I knew you could be counted upon to see this the right way.

Might as well. Have you even been on the main grid in the last, i dunno, year? There's sexballs in PG sims now. Bondage gear in every basement -- err, I mean dungeon. Escort services running amok! It's an orgasmatronic riot of sexual deviancy!

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So, it would be alright for everyone reading this thread to head off to whatever web communities they're involved in, and warn them not to join SL until they're approached by LL with a special deal? Sure, they may not individually be as big as SG, but taken together..

Isn't "they're cool IRL, so we make sure they get to start cool in SL" completely opposite of the primary motive for social play of SL and other virtual worlds?

Seriously. All of this reminds me of Malena.

Having perused the site a bit, i'll grant that it's not quite porn. Erotica would probably be the best description. But i'll also say that it's not art either.

Here's the difference as I see it.

Porn: Sex. The focus is sex, and the point is sex.

Erotica: The point is to be sexual. The difference between Art and Erotica is that the main focus of Erotica is the sex part of it.

Art: any focus, sometimes it's sex and sometimes it's nudity but the difference is that there's other ways I could take the picture.

The difference between Art and Erotica can be subtle which is why this has come up a lot with current art museums and the such.

The way I see it though, an Art site wouldn't charge you 5 dollars a month (min) to see a set of models featured in different pictures by different artists, because the art site cares more about the artist than the subject. An erotica/porn site however would. That's not to say that there are no artistic pics in Suicidegirls, but what I am saying that most of them serve to be erotica and there's probably only a few artistic ones scattered in.